I couldnt find anything, maybe im just slow.:confused: Which is lighter, zippers or velcro?? I have an idea (probably not new) of making a modular system using zippers or velcro to attach underquilts, overquilts, bug nets, and a sock(2 piece top and bottom) by making them all approx the same size and putting on whatever i think i need for the conditions. underquilt and sock on bottom in rain, bugnet on top in summer.... I contemplated using 3/4 or 1 inch omnitape on the hammock sides and finding or cutting 1/4 in for the attachments so I could put more than one on at a time when needed. Or should I plan on using zippers. What do you all think??

not all zippers are created equally so it would fall onto what zippers you were planning on using.

Hmm...not all trees are the same distance apart, so unless you're way better than I am (possible!!:rolleyes:), you won't duplicate exactly the same "hang" each time. That would make zippers (more consistent attachment system) perhaps less than perfect for some hangs. Velcro would be more adjustable and therefore to be preferred over zippers. I notice that most UQ type insulation items use some sort of ADJUSTABLE suspension...either bungee, cord-locks or both. I suspect that is because the adjustability is important to make them work well (without air gaps, etc.).

Then again, try what you think might work. That's how new stuff gets discovered/adopted!!

Trying to make a modular system as I imagine would be extremely difficult using zippers. Making bugnet that zips off completely has its own unique challenges having to do with the use of separating zippers in a lengths that are extremely difficult, if not impossible to find. Trying to make a system where you could zip on different underquilts and that kind of modular system would require not only separating zippers in lengths difficult if not impossible to find but also matching zipper halves to make sure you can line up the zippers properly. So they would have to be identical manufacturers, size and lengths. If that's the kind of modular flexibility you want do yourself a big favor and stay with velcro or omni-tape. IMO it would be much less hassle and head ache.

I'm using a ridgeline so I think the hang will be close most of the time. I'm trying to get the weight down, my wife has back issues thanks to uncle sam and the Army so I'm the pack mule, and the Army teaches redundency to the max with a backup plan. Last time out for a short experimental trip (overnight) I had 66 pounds:scared:, yes i said 66. That was including food and water obviously, for me, her, and the 2 boys (the boys carried their own sleeping system and water). In some areas I don't mind the weight but I'm working on it. I got a scale to start with. The tenative plan was to make 2 DIY gathered ends to sleep in with quilts and such but the wife has started sleeping in mine with me, more snuggle time:boggle:. I guess that cuts the number of quilts in half, but makes them a little wider. I was planning on 42x84 for the top and bottom but may have to go 48x84 or larger. the same basic plan for top and bottom so they'er interchangeable. Ill use the tape measure and guess from there. I'm kind of waiting on the down sale and am thinking about 2 each of 1 1/2in and a 2 1/2 in quilts. I think the zippers would be to hard but i just needed a few more opinions on my plans.

I think I may have her hooked on hanging, it doesnt hurt her back as much. She drug me out last night to sleep in the back yard.

I think the zippers would be to hard but i just needed a few more opinions on my plans.

Personally I think a properly made and attached underquilt is modular enough without any kind of quilt to hammock fastening device. If you can get to a group hang take a look at the commercial items available. The vast majority of the full length quilts just attach head and foot and if they need tensioning that is done with a shock cord or bungee type channel along the side. There are some side channel suspension systems for the half quilts available but I believe they are integral to the quilt and not to the hammock.

The whole concept of hammocks is essentially modular and except for specialty itmes sold by their respective vendors most do not have a any fancy attachment system. The ones that do are usually available in the brand specific style and the "universal" style. Anything made by HH is an exception to this because of the bottom entry and the fact that it is really suited for only the HH design. I don;t know if anyone has tried a Super Shelter on a non-HH hammock. I have no idea if it would work or not.

I have no problem with velcro... however, my two nights in a used Speer demonstrated one problem. The hammock is relatively narrow, and a couple of times my head or elbow pushed the netting, and tore off a foot or so of velcro. No big deal, but it won't happen with a zipper.

a couple of times my head or elbow pushed the netting, and tore off a foot or so of velcro. No big deal, but it won't happen with a zipper.

Don't count on it... instead the zipper tape can rip off which is not really a field repairable problem. This ihas happened on more than one occasion with the Skeeter Beeter at least. Particularly on the narrow type hammocks.

Don't count on it... instead the zipper tape can rip off ...
I wasn't pushing hard enough for that... barely hard enough to part the velcro.

My HHULEA (I think that is the one) has completely removeable bug netting via zippers. I just use a zipper roll cut to length and double stitch half of it to the netting and the other half to the hammock. Neither end is finished. It stinks that you can not find a ready made zipper long enough for a hammock but I have made it work for me I guess. I just put a couple of hand sewn stitches at either end so the zippers dont run all the way off and it works just fine. When I am ready for the winter switch. I just undo the stitches and swap out my DIY over cover that is also zippered.

I think zippers are a little bit heavier than velcro but so far so good. I have been using a number 4 zipper but I am going to try a number 3 in the future to see how they work.

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When I am ready for the winter switch. I just undo the stitches and swap out my DIY over cover that is also zippered.
That is brilliant!

- MacEntyre

My HHULEA (I think that is the one) has completely removeable bug netting via zippers. I just use a zipper roll cut to length and double stitch half of it to the netting and the other half to the hammock. Neither end is finished. It stinks that you can not find a ready made zipper long enough for a hammock but I have made it work for me I guess. I just put a couple of hand sewn stitches at either end so the zippers dont run all the way off and it works just fine. When I am ready for the winter switch. I just undo the stitches and swap out my DIY over cover that is also zippered.

Using the same kind of engineering you _could simply make a permanent stitch in one side of the zipper tape out beyond the removeable side. That way the slider will not run off and get lost. I personally don't like that system simply because I don't like having to putz around trying to get the zipper lined up properly to make sure everything aligns. so on each modular piece there would be a long tail/short tail end at the "foot" the sake of argument. The opposite end would end even but with a few stitches binding off the teeth on each side so the slider will not zip off the end. That is certainly doable but _for me_ a true pain in the tuckus.

Edit: The other problem is if the coil at the removeable end gets damaged you will have to cut the damaged part off as you will not be able to zip it up with seriously damaged coils. Unfinished as they are.. they are somewhat more fragile than you might expect. Not really delicate... but care must be taken.

HYOH in this case I am sure. I had a little trouble with coil zippers at first but I can get them aligned pretty fast now. Just a little fuss at the seasonal switch and I am in business for another few months. Plus, I dont have to carry the bugnet in the winter. I just like the options the zippers give me. I am carefull with my stuff and it has been holding up well so far (knock on wood).

I suppose if I had to think about the situation of the coils getting damaged then I would just cut out the damaged parts and put on some sticky velco as a temp solution (not necessarily a field repair but might buy me a few more months of hang time). If the zipper got bad enough I would just replace it.

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HYOH in this case I am sure.

Absolutely... I've thought about doing it but my fingers don't work so good and I'm not a gram weenie or high mileage hiker so..... I do tend to like long zippers better than long velcro... so if I had to make the change that is probably what I would do.

A couple of days ago I was thinking about something similar with my Heresy Hammock, which has the 2Q/ZQ #2 Bugnet Mod. If the bugnet zipper could be unzipped off the end, then the bugnet could be left furled along the hammock edge, and an OverCover could be unfurled and zipped in it's place. Then, I thought, what if there were two zippers right alongside each other. The bugnet would in inside the OverCover, and the occupant would have to unzip twice to exit.

That's why I like StormCrow's Seasonal Remanufacturing. Go ahead and remove the bugnet, and replace it with an OverCover.

- MacEntyre