i have been using hennessey hammocks for almost 5 years
i never thought i would see the day when i would no longer use the hennessey hammock,the tom claytor hammock eliminates the need for under quilts,undersheilds.and even over quilts,it may be alittle heavier but the wieght and high cost of these accessorries really and up,my vote is with tom claytor:cool: neo

i have been using hennessey hammocks for almost 5 years
i never thought i would see the day when i would no longer use the hennessey hammock,the tom claytor hammock eliminates the need for under quilts,undersheilds.and even over quilts,it may be alittle heavier but the wieght and high cost of these accessorries really and up,my vote is with tom claytor:cool: neo

Wow no top or bottom insulation needed. If it includes an air conditioner I'm in.:D

I loved my HH for the last year, but now I am a homemade convert.

Wow no top or bottom insulation needed. If it includes an air conditioner I'm in.:D

I loved my HH for the last year, but now I am a homemade convert.

with the double bottom i just slide a cheap army 24 x 72 in pad between the two layers,the pad dont slip and you cant even tell its there:cool: neo

I figured that is what you ment. I just couldn't resist.

Neo are you going to make the Winter Campout?

I figured that is what you ment. I just couldn't resist.

Neo are you going to make the Winter Campout?



were is it going to be,i am only off every 3rd weekend,most of my of time is during the middle of the week:cool: neo

were is it going to be,i am only off every 3rd weekend,most of my of time is during the middle of the week:cool: neo


Not sure yet. Put your vote in for your location. That way we can include your location in picking a place.

my votes on hennessy i have a tom claytor hammock and i much prefer the hh

So you don't even need a top quilt in the Claytor?

So you don't even need a top quilt in the Claytor?

:D nope,its easy to use a sleeping bag in my claytor,snugg and zipped up:cool: neo

I have wanted to ask this for a while now, so here goes. The Tom Claytor Jungle Hammock is said to be made from "Camouflage waterproof fabric. 100% waterproof and also suitable for snow and winter camping.". I know silnylon can get kinda clammy in dealing with moisture and condesation.

Have you experienced anything like this with the TC hammock? Is the hammock fabric breathable at all?

I can't compare the TC with the HH because I don't own a TC......yet. ;)

I have wanted to ask this for a while now, so here goes. The Tom Claytor Jungle Hammock is said to be made from "Camouflage waterproof fabric. 100% waterproof and also suitable for snow and winter camping.". I know silnylon can get kinda clammy in dealing with moisture and condesation.

Have you experienced anything like this with the TC hammock? Is the hammock fabric breathable at all?

I can't compare the TC with the HH because I don't own a TC......yet. ;)

i have never experienced condensation in mine:cool: neo

the tom claytor hammock eliminates the need for under quilts,undersheilds.and even over quilts

A pad underneath and a bag on top is still insulation. You can use a pad and bag in a HH, eliminating the need for underquilts, undershields and over quilts.

I've never used a Claytor, but the Crazy Creek is waterproof and non-breathable and I haven't really had a condensation problem with it. I was surprised by that, actually. But I didn't get to use it in hot weather, either.

I have a Clayton model hammock and it does not compare to an HH. The HH wins all around. I use my Clayton model right now as a storage bag for my hiking gear. I have it hanging from the celling with all my hiking gear in it.

I have a Clayton model hammock and it does not compare to an HH. The HH wins all around. I use my Clayton model right now as a storage bag for my hiking gear. I have it hanging from the celling with all my hiking gear in it.

the shorter mosquitto hammock you have is not as comfortable as the longer jungle hammock i own:cool: neo

I love my 1lb. 10 oz. HH Hyperlight w/JRB 8x8. Hennessy Rules!!!!Nuff said!!!!

my votes on hennessy i have a tom claytor hammock and i much prefer the hh

Just curious...why do you prefer the HH over the Claytor? I just couldn't get past the bottom entry and the fact that you can't unzip the netting in the HH. I like the ability to unzip it and swing my legs out without moving any bedding etc....or for that matter....just sitting there.

The double bottom and the netting suspension system in the Claytor was also a major factor in my decision. My under pad doesn't move at all and the netting is at least three feet away from my face and well off to the side....very roomy feeling. My wife and I both have the Jungle Hammocks and are totally satisfied with them.

I should add, I've never had the oppertunity to try an HH. Those are my likes and dislikes...how about yours.

Miguel

I've had a HH for several years and realy like it! But, I got the Mosquito this week from JRB and I like it too. I do wish it was just a little longer though. But it works so much better with my underquilt. I think if I had the Jungle model it would be a tough call between it and the Hennessy.

I've had a HH for several years and realy like it! But, I got the Mosquito this week from JRB and I like it too. I do wish it was just a little longer though. But it works so much better with my underquilt. I think if I had the Jungle model it would be a tough call between it and the Hennessy.

i dont like the mosquitto or the expedition both same length
but i love my jungle hammock:cool: neo

http://www.mosquitohammock.com/junglehammock.html

Realizing that many piece/parts are somehow always Chinese origin; I'd like to, at least, minimize the Chinese manufacture of things I purchase. Are both Tom's products of Chinese Manufacture and do they acknowledge it on their websites? Maybe too particular; just tired of incrementally helping people that are incrementally undermining everything we value. I'd like to know where my stuff is made.

I bought a used Hennessy Expedition off of ebay and I was suprised to see it was made in china. I don't remember where my daughter's hyperlite was made, I would assume Canada, I don't remember anything about china when it had tags, there is nothing on the stuff sack.

My HH Backpacker UL is American made. Having said that, I have no objection whatsoever to feeding starving Chinese children. Just a sap, I guess. :)

Isn't nationalism what usually gets us into stupid wars and stuff?

the shorter mosquitto hammock you have is not as comfortable as the longer jungle hammock i own:cool: neo

Neo is right about the comfort of a Claytor Jungle. I had 2 Clarks, the features of which surpass any other commercially made hammock that I have seen (unless you are mostly concerned with ultra-light) - but a Clark is no where as comfortable as a Claytor. If you want a functional hammock with superb comfort get a claytor. if you want to follow the crowd because, well, it's the crowd, then get an HH.

My HH Backpacker UL is American made. Having said that, I have no objection whatsoever to feeding starving Chinese children. Just a sap, I guess. :)

Isn't nationalism what usually gets us into stupid wars and stuff?

Kids in China aren't starving, they have a vibrant economy, thanks to Walmart in part. Their economy is doing so well they can feed their children AND have enough money left to point ICBM's at the western USA. I look for stuff made in Taiwan, it is usually first class stuff, I don't have a problem buying foreign at all. China really bugs me though, I don't know why Tom Hennessy couldn't find someplace else to get these cheaper hammocks assembled.

I've been using a HHUL, but was a little tired of entering the bottom and not being able to remove the netting. So I was looking at different styles and decided on the Speers due to weight. The thing about the Clayton and others like it is when using a pad vs. an underquilt it does not breath as well. I started out with using a pad and felt like I was sleeping on plastic (breathability not feeling). I'm sure that you can use an underquilt as well, but then there is the extra fabric used for holding the pad. Ounces add up to pounds. This is the reason I choose not to go with the new JRB hammock. I was also curious if the tarp can be hung low in severe weather with the bug screen guylines holding it up so high or do you just lower it when the tarp needs to be lower?

Ed Speer makes all of his products in Marion, NC. I recently bought a Frog Sac and was surprised to see Made in China on the stuff sack, but it was just the stuff sack that came from the Orient.

Regarding the HH non-removable net... here in NC, you need the net. It is not uncommon in winter to have the temps reach 60 during the day, and freeze at night. Bugs can bother you all year!

Neo is right about the comfort of a Claytor Jungle. I had 2 Clarks, the features of which surpass any other commercially made hammock that I have seen (unless you are mostly concerned with ultra-light) - but a Clark is no where as comfortable as a Claytor. If you want a functional hammock with superb comfort get a claytor. if you want to follow the crowd because, well, it's the crowd, then get an HH.

Amen to that! Preach on Brother!!!

Miguel (fellow Claytor hammock hanger)

I like my HH because I can sleep on my side in it due to the design. Can you do that in the Claytor?

I like my HH because I can sleep on my side in it due to the design. Can you do that in the Claytor?

I sleep on my side in the Claytor. I think the big difference between the Claytor's and the HH's for most people would be the bottom entry versus top entry. If you want a top entry hammock with a bug net, then I think the claytor is the least expensive and most comfortable way to go - other than making your own - which might actually cost more but would be built exactly as you want it.

Neo let me try out his Claytor today. Very cool in many ways, with some pros and cons. First impressions based on just a few minutes testing:
Cons:
1:Not as much shoulder room ( I'm 6'1", 205lbs) as my HH Explorer and not as easy to lay on the diagonal, though still pretty flat anyway. Of course the heavier Safari has more shoulder room than either.
2: Probably a little heavier than some (though part of that weight would be due to the double layer bottom,, which makes pad use easy, and zippers which make netting use easy.)

Pros:
1: Great chair comfort
2: super easy to use a pad, and I couldn't really tell a pad was there other than from the warmth
3:Great net with zipper, very easy to get closed quickly if needed. Very open, roomy feeling with net closed, due to net spreader bars, a pair of almost weightless arrow shafts neo has added.
4: cost is relatively low

Just some first impressions from one who is used to HHs and Speers.

Side note: that 12x12 SG Neo tarp is a LOT of coverage even though it is a diamond shape rather than rectangular or hex/cat cut. Also very inexpensive.

Kids in China aren't starving, they have a vibrant economy, thanks to Walmart in part. Their economy is doing so well they can feed their children AND have enough money left to point ICBM's at the western USA. I look for stuff made in Taiwan, it is usually first class stuff, I don't have a problem buying foreign at all. China really bugs me though, I don't know why Tom Hennessy couldn't find someplace else to get these cheaper hammocks assembled.

Hunger is definitely a problem in parts of China. Mostly because of greedy businesses and government. We also point missiles at them; probably as many or more than they point at us.

Contrary to what my views on nationalism may sound like, I'm no lefty (or righty), and I'm not very political. neither party speaks for me. I'm very sorry that I even brought it up, as this is not the place for politics.

Frank

...as this is not the place for politics.

Thank you. Can we please get back to hammocks? :D

Hunger is definitely a problem in parts of China. Mostly because of greedy businesses and government. We also point missiles at them; probably as many or more than they point at us.

Contrary to what my views on nationalism may sound like, I'm no lefty (or righty), and I'm not very political. neither party speaks for me. I'm very sorry that I even brought it up, as this is not the place for politics.

Frank

still nothing to do with hammocks dude:cool: neo

Neo is right about the comfort of a Claytor Jungle. I had 2 Clarks, the features of which surpass any other commercially made hammock that I have seen (unless you are mostly concerned with ultra-light) - but a Clark is no where as comfortable as a Claytor. If you want a functional hammock with superb comfort get a claytor. if you want to follow the crowd because, well, it's the crowd, then get an HH.

:D yep i am a claytor jungle hanging fool:cool: neo

I would love to hear from folks who have one of the Claytors. I want to know can I sleep on my side like I can in a HH.

No, this post IS on topic.:D

I would love to hear from folks who have one of the Claytors. I want to know can I sleep on my side like I can in a HH.

I slept on my side in my claytor on my recent backpacking trip and was very comfortable.

BTW, I was about to send back my second Clark but I decided to give it one more test because I now have ring buckles and can easily adjust it for trying position. I found that hanging it very tightly mimicks the Claytor with respect to comfort, although the claytor is still wider and longer. So, now....I just might keep it for another month and put it through a cold weather test this weekend.

No, this post IS on topic.:D

Mary Ann:p

The Claytor being discussed is the Jungle Hammock. That hammock is 9'9" long. His other hammocks are only 8', and that is too short for me.

You can sleep on your side in the Claytor, but if you are inserting the pad for insulation then you tend to get cold spots on your knees and butt.

The discussion is mostly a matter of preference and matching the tool to the job. It is very good that neo is happy with his Jungle Hammock. I am very happy with my three hammocks.

But if I could only own one hammock it would be the HH Expedition.

I am a cold-sleeper. In the cool fall temperatures in the mountains up here (when it can fall below freezing), just a pad underneath me simply won't cut it. I need the warmth of a thick down quilt.

I am a cold-sleeper. In the cool fall temperatures in the mountains up here (when it can fall below freezing), just a pad underneath me simply won't cut it. I need the warmth of a thick down quilt.

yeah, for sure.
planning on sneaking out near the LT this week. there was snow up at camel's hump and mansfield on sunday...

You can sleep on your side in the Claytor, but if you are inserting the pad for insulation then you tend to get cold spots on your knees and butt.

My solution to that problem was to cut a walmart blue pad in half and insert both sections sideways into the pad pocket - it wrapped around my shoulders and hips for side insulation. However, I was also using a 20" insulated big agnes on top of that for comfort.

Mary Ann:p

+1 for MA.