http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l37/hogn8r/ThryTheWhipSupport1.jpg

Here is how I attach the support webbing to my hammocks. As you can guess it's pretty easy. Just fold the hammock ends, tie a loop in the webbing, lay the webbing on the top of the hammock and and whip it all together.

Usually the first time you lie in it it will pull down to the knot and stop. I have never had a whipping pull off.

There's really no advantage to it except aesthetic and, maybe, you can use a couple of inches more of the hammock body.

The photo above was one of the first prototypes, now I use the full webbing with no sheet bend in it. However, if you used the double ring attachment you could do it this way and leave about twoo feet to attach the rings to.

Looks interesting. By double ring attachment, do you mean buckles like the old-school belts? Do you have pics of that, too?

No pictures of the double ring. I never snapped a photo while I was doing the experiments. Even though the adjustment was easier I found that I was overcomplicating the system and the weight penalty wasn't worth it. I now use a regular strap and the four-wrap knot. I very rarely have to adjust it after I hang it, so the benefit of the double ring wasn't worth the complication and weight.

I very rarely have to adjust it after I hang it, so the benefit of the double ring wasn't worth the complication and weight.

Yeah - I'm still deciding about that. Solving a problem I never really had and all that. It'll be quicker to set up, but only a minute or so.

Is that a ridgeline you have attached to the webbing on the hammock side of the whip?

Yes, I use a ridgeline on all my hamocks.

Perhaps I'm a bit thick, but what's the advantage of whipping when compared to passing the rope though a hem at each end?

You can adjust the lay of the hammock in a few ways - raise the center by using a "W" whip, you can pull the edges out more or less to change the bathtub effect, etc. And passing a rope through the hem puts a lot of stress on that seam...can be an issue for lighter materials. Whipping completely cuts out that possible point of failure.

Just another way of doing things. Passing through the hem works pretty well on the Crazy Creek, but it's much heavier material than what I've used. I just got the Byer Moskito Traveler, which kinda does that...it passes lots of small ropes through the hem. Looks like a lot of stress there, but I haven't heard of any failing yet.

a couple ways i want to experiment w/ hammock supports


(1)New support attachment experiments. photos 1-5 are of the first illistration. i haven`t done the second yet.

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/5/PA140154.JPG

(2)Support rope whipped in hammock... before adding body weight.
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/5/PA150191.JPG

(3)After body weight... looks good so far.
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/5/PA150195.JPG

(4)The knot on the inside popped through. i bounced pretty hard on the hammock, but it shows how much pressure there is between the inside knot and the taught hammock fabric.
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/5/PA150196.JPG

(5)The hole the knot made (after removing the whipping).
http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/5/PA150197.JPG

Thanks for the photos. I may have to try that system you have pictured in the bottom photos.

That's one of the great things about the DIY Speer-type hammocks. If you don't like the way the hammock is whipped, you can udo the whip, change it, and have it re-whipped in a matter of minutes. You don't have that luxury with a lot of other hammocks

If you always use a ridgeline, then why not just whip on a single length of webbing that runs from tree to tree - no sewing, no knots, no nothing.

The ridgeline supports less force, so you could use lighter cord for that section. Don't think that would make much of a difference, but you asked for a reason. :D

Actually I don't [I]always[I] use the ridgeline. For example, when I use it as a chair and when I can only use trees that are a tad too close, I remove it.

Actually I now use the suspension like slowhike has pictured, but slightly modified. since I now use a rolled end (instead of a gathered end), more like the Hennessey end I put the webbing in the middle of the material and then whip it all in place. But instead of having two loops like Slowhike I just have the one to attach my ridgeline and the other is a 4 meter length for my support. When I get home I will post the pictures, they are on my home PC. I haven't had the failure Slowhike had tho, maybe because the webbing is thicker?

slowhike;

Any update on your experiments with whipped hammock ends?
I like the idea of an un-doable tie as opposed to Ed Speer's overhand knot that becomes impossible to untie, but don't fancy being let down---least of all, several days from final take-out.

slowhike;

Any update on your experiments with whipped hammock ends?
I like the idea of an un-doable tie as opposed to Ed Speer's overhand knot that becomes impossible to untie, but don't fancy being let down---least of all, several days from final take-out.

i whip mine so you can take them apart. here's what i do.

run some string (mason line) through the end hem and cinch the hammock like closing a stuffsac. give yourself about a foot of tail on each end and use it to wrap around the balled up end, just below the hem stitches. just wrap it around a few times and tie it off. from here, you can just girth hitch your suspension line or webbing directly to it. you can easily switch out different suspensions, and to get back to non-end gathered fabric, you just carefully cut the string.

i whip mine so you can take them apart. here's what i do.

run some string (mason line) through the end hem and cinch the hammock like closing a stuffsac. OK so far. give yourself about a foot of tail on each end and use it to wrap around the balled up end, just below the hem stitches. Huh??? You just lost me! Where id the "balled-up end" come from? I suspect that if I understood that last part, the remainder would become clear. just wrap it around a few times and tie it off. from here, you can just girth hitch your suspension line or webbing directly to it. you can easily switch out different suspensions, and to get back to non-end gathered fabric, you just carefully cut the string.

a pic. is worth 1000 words. just scroll down a bit.

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2705&highlight=warbonnet%2C+ridgeline

Hmmmmm. Seems I've got a problem. The text of your link clearly indicates where I should be seeing a picture but all I see is about three completely blank lines; no link, no broken icon, no nothing. I've noticed this elsewhere on this forum, and yet many other threads show the indicated pictures. Wondering if the pix used pop-ups, I enabled pop-ups for hammockforums.net but that didn't help. Maybe it's just a price I pay for going online only with a Linux box running Firefox.

i dunno, basically just cinch the end. you will have several feet of string coming out each side of the cinched hem. cut it off to about a foot each so it will easier to tie a knot with. i just wrap them down and around the hem a couple times and tie tight, then cut off the excess. this leaves you with a mass of fabric, basically from the hem up. this is what you girth hitch with your suspension line/webbing. just try to get it even after wrapping the string down around the hem, you can it up before you pull the knot tight, you want it just a 1/4" (maybe not even that much) below the hem stitch. you will probably have to pull fabric one way or the other in spots to get the hem stitch consistent with the string all the way around the bundle.

Hmmmmm. Seems I've got a problem. The text of your link clearly indicates where I should be seeing a picture but all I see is about three completely blank lines; no link, no broken icon, no nothing. I've noticed this elsewhere on this forum, and yet many other threads show the indicated pictures. Wondering if the pix used pop-ups, I enabled pop-ups for hammockforums.net but that didn't help. Maybe it's just a price I pay for going online only with a Linux box running Firefox.

The pics in his linked thread are hosted on photobucket. It sounds like you might have Firefox configured to only display images that are hosted on the same server as the page you are viewing, or perhaps you have photobucket blocked. Those are the two most obvious possibilities.

angrysparrow;

Bingo! Curiously, making an exception for hammockforums.net didn't do the trick. I had it set up to allow images from the originating site only and then listed hammockforums.net as an exception. I got the images only when I unchecked "allow images from the originating site only" Anyway, you put me on the right track and for that I thank you.

bob

slowhike;

Any update on your experiments with whipped hammock ends?
I like the idea of an un-doable tie as opposed to Ed Speer's overhand knot that becomes impossible to untie, but don't fancy being let down---least of all, several days from final take-out.

I never did get around to trying "attachment #2" in post 9 of this thread.
I have been using a larks head behind the whipping w/ no problem.

I'm thinking that I never did try attachment #2 because I begin to think that it would just pull the whipping off because it's not "gripping" like a larks head.

I never did get around to trying "attachment #2" in post 9 of this thread.
I have been using a larks head behind the whipping w/ no problem.

I'm thinking that I never did try attachment #2 because I begin to think that it would just pull the whipping off because it's not "gripping" like a larks head.

Why not use your larks head & then whip like in "attachment #2" should work?

Why not use your larks head & then whip like in "attachment #2" should work?

Well now that's a thought. I (or someone) should try that.
It would look neater than just adding the support by a larks head after whipping.

I am interested in trying the attachment #2 you diagrammed. Have you tried it? How likely is it that the loop would work through the whipping, given the forces?

And for anyone else, the Speer basic model has knots, and then a sewn loop inboard of the knot. I've seen on Risk's page the same sort of system but with whipping. But it looks like he's using a lark's head/cow hitch to make the attachment rather than sewing the loop up tightly. So the supports don't come off? They don't wear excessively where they cross? I've thought of doubling the loop (making an extra crossing turn) but I was afraid it'd weaken the support.

I am a hammock camping virgin planning my first DIY hammock in technical materials.

I use all webbing for my suspension and after folding the end of the hammock I laid the webbing in the middle fold - then whipped the end.

After whipping I tied the end of the webbing onto the hammock below the whipping.

Worked well and looked neater than what I had before. Also seems to hang better since webbing is more in-line with hammock.

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