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I just got my future three season work horse Wiggy's Super Light; X-Long/Wide Body (90" x 34"); weight (according to Wiggy's) 5 lbs; Rated to 0 F; Color is Olive drab.
http://wiggys.com/moreinfo.cfm?Produ...TOKEN=63014581
I will make this thread a review with images and more info during this winter.
You are whole heartily welcomed to follow it up! :)
I'm not sure that 5lbs would count as "super light" in my book. :)
I do love my Wiggy's though. He makes nice bags.
It truly is a quite an ironic name for this bag! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveman
It does seem a bit of a stretch, doesn't it? But, it is an X- long and wide zero hooded model. So to compare with a couple of long zero down quilts, ( actually, I'm looking at 5-10F quilts) that will be about 3.75 lbs, plus hood wt. Then again, those quilts would actually be a good bit wider, adding both to get the width.
The thing about the Wiggy's would be synthetic plus most likely heavier duty shells and of course zippers, probably also pretty heavy duty. It does make you wonder what is the weight of the non-Super light model! A CS TQ or UQ could be made that would save some weight if desired. But a person will never have to contend with drafts if zipped up in this ( rather overweight) baby!
IMO, other than just using the common sense that you will be more comfortable in any bag that is not soaking wet, you really do not have to worry about water in this model. I feel even if it did get wet or a lot of condensation happened on a longer trip with little drying sunshine, it would still offer a fair bit of insulation and more importantly simple body and or hot water bottle heat would dry it very quickly. Just my opinion ( could be wrong ) based on my own experiences with Climashield and other synthetic insulations.
So there are trips taken under certain conditions where an extra lb or 2 can give considerable peace of mind.
The final thing which pulled me to Wiggy's was the EnLIGHTened Prodigy quilt made with Climashield Apex 8 and rated to +15 F, weights about 2 lb. It is very nice TQ - but feels bit fragile. When hiking and tired I do not want to stress about gear going broken. Wiggy's materials are bombproof - if that is possible when talking about sleeping bag. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyBob58
I also think that extra weight put to the bombproof sleeping bag can be taken out from other gear. There is no need for extra clothing or similar back up solution when sleeping bag is warm, does not loose it's insulation ability or does not loose it's insulation as has sometimes happened when down bag melts in camp due to fire accident.
Summa summarum - bigger, more dependable and better bag means less and lighter other stuff.
Plan on getting one for my yes ground time. I like to do that sometimes lol
I've had an overbag for wiggy's FTRRS system (+35degF) and the Antarctic for a number of years now. Great bags and they are really bombproof, they dry quickly and clean-up well. Extremely well made for their purpose, thou with a different warmth feel than down bags. Wiggy's is great to deal with too. Great bag.
i must lighten my pack, the old down bag has got to go!:D
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Originally Posted by Trooper2221
Just measured the bag. Using a very high quality house hold scale.
And the weight with the compression stuff sack and with the excellent pillow is 2,8 kg which is 6,2 Lbs or almost 100 oz. It's HUGE would D.Trump say...:eek:
So here are the first results, maybe I should measure the Antarctic bag also... :rolleyes:
:wuv:Love Wiggy's. 2 decades of heavy use & my bags are still going strong. I accidentally went swimming in January:tongueup: in a blizzard. I slept on top of the snow in the storm with my FTRSS set up. I'm convinced the bags kept me alive. With wet clothes and 18 inches of fresh snow overnight the next morning everything was dry. I was warm as soon as I got my clothes off in the bag and :rolleyes:slept great all night. The bags are worth their weight in gold as far as I'm concerned.
Temperature was 24-26 F. Under me the Exped Synmat 9 DXL 77" x 25". Moderate wind. DB 72 DL with weather cover deployed. Clothing was just cotton pajamas, long sleeves. Head gear was cap made out of alpaca wool (very, very hot)
Quite cozy but I would thought it could have been warmer. No cold spots anywhere.
There is one thing missing in Super Light which is in Antarctic model. There is no extra adjustment cord over the chest area. But to my surprise it did not feel to make any difference. Maybe it is the heavy bag material that keeps the hot air inside not to escape from bag. There are no collars in Wiggy's bags, so it is very easy to go in and out from bag.
Bag is very nice to use and handle. Robust and well how should I put it... maybe I say sturdy.
I'm very happy that I bought the Super Light and not the Ultra Light. Warmer is better even if it means bit more weight.
The original reason for me to buy Antarctic with cover bag was that it was the only bag to promise very low temperature limit. And I did not care the weight or size. It was "The Ultimate Deep Cold Bag" to choose. There is few manufacturers that make bags for deep cold anymore, because normal people do not sleep in those conditions - market is to small.
But reflecting this to the Super Light there is no such limit when choosing bag. If weight would be the deciding factor then I could carry two down bags with similar temperature rating as Super Light's 0 F. And they probably would take less space also.
Pictures coming at some point...
P.S. I checked out from Haglöfs (good Swedish manufacturer) about weights. Synthetic bag with similar temperature rating weights exactly same as Wiggy's Super Light. And Down bag weight is one kilo less - about 3,8 lbs. So no complaints about weight anymore.
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fhdm...FhdmjDt-X2.jpg
Surface material is rip-stop, those little squares do show in this image if looked carefully.
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-ThKJ...ThKJnmj-X2.jpg
There is no quilting, those ridges have formed because of the Synmat. Even this "small" Wiggy's bag fills DB 72 fully. And probably would not fit very well in smaller hammocks.
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-9Q5M...9Q5MCDj-X2.jpg
This is the only adjustable cord in Super Light. Though it is multi function, tightness of the front side and hood side can be adjusted separately.
How big does it pack?
I will come to that tomorrow. Bag is still out there, they are promising colder night - about 17 F. I just came from 1 1/2 hour jog, and I will go to the sauna, after that it will be a bit chilly to go out for night, but I will do it anyhow. These activities will add extra simulation aspect when it comes to a real hike compared to just going out from the warm house.Quote:
Originally Posted by gargoyle
I will test the Psolar head gear to keep my nose warm and also I will see if it is possible to keep it over my face whole night. I will probably be a quite wet if I succeed in that. But if the test goes well Psolar will eliminate the winter condensation problem all together forever! (Thinking about The Alpine hammock and/or temperatures under -5 F for example, not really a problem in normal hammock situation)
The way the bag functions I would be surprised if you get much condensation in the bag, the nylon may get a little wet where you breath directly on it but thats about it. Unless you have a top layer that doesn't breath, the moisture will leave the bag very effectively. On really cold nights I've wiggled down deep in the bag and placed the hole a few inches from my face allowing a channel for air:sleep:. Slept like a dream. The only time I have noticed condensation is where unwarmed corners of my bag have frozen, this has never been near my body.
For high altitudes I always double up the FTRSS bags and take the bivy. Weather can be hard to predict sometimes and to many unexpected circumstances can happen. If I snow cave I typically sleep on top of the bivy, ground pad, and one of the bags. This combo plays well in a hammock with the optional variations.
I have not yet had condensation problems unless the waterproof bottom of the bivy catches rain:cursing: and other moisture while sleeping. Problem solved with a tarp. Even with that I've still been warm the rest of the night. Once the water problem was resolved the bags have dried right out. :boggle: I have the (-20 Degree) Ultima thule, the overbag (35 degree bag) and put these in a really old version of the bivy bag. Wiggys says the combo should take me below -60 degrees. I have not hit that limit and don't intend to now that camping is more like fun. I have in the past frequently slept under the stars with this configuration above 8000 feet.
The one thing I have found is that wind penetrates the bags by themselves which can be a pain, again problem solved with a tarp or some sort of windbreak. Anyone for a burrito?:lol::lol:
Second night was similar to the first - actually bit warmer.
Psolar worked fine until to middle of the night when I woke up because of the slight pain in my left earlobe. Cap and psolar hood induced constant pressure and it eventually made the pain. But otherwise it worked like a charm - no condensation and no wet face. I will use it again after some stretching, and do not use the cap so deep it will be over my ears.
Super light measures in it's XL-sized (Wiggy's) compression sack 21" x 11" as Wiggy's say. But when compressed almost to the final limit (I was sitting on it with my 255 lbs body weight) it goes down to the 14" x 11". I'm pleased, it will probably fit in my Fjällräven Kajka 100 liters back bag's sleeping bag compartment.
No pictures this time.
looks like a good price, but might be a little hard on the back if traveling by foot!
For motorized travel that is one hell of a deal though.