What Line? PLEASE HELP!
Alright, My last couple threads were pretty confusing, my apologies.
anyway, I was wondering what line is best used for the different needs of a hammock setup:
whipping the hammock ends
tieouts on the tarp/ hammock (pseudo HH clone)
suspension/ ridgeline for hammock/ tarp
shock cord for tieouts (tarp tensioners)
I read somewhere that you could use the spectra line for the whipping, but I was also considering the drawcord (for my quilts and weather shields).
For the tieouts I was considering speer no tangle and some shockcord from OWF or other outdoors place. For the Spectra, I am deciding between Amsteel or spyderline.
SO what should I get for my line, and how much of it? Thanks!
for whipping the hammock i use a very small accessory cord from the climbing section (2mm or less).
Originally Posted by skar578
the line from speer hammocks would be just fine too. that's what i use on my tarps & for draw strings... very light & plenty strong.
the shock cord is what i use for my tarp tensioners.
youngblood recently added an explanation on <http://firstname.lastname@example.org> on how to do that.
it's found under files/"youngblood's miscellaneous stuff" along w/ lots of other good stuff...
i like vectran or spectra single braid for the suspension, 3mm maybe slightly less.
for a ridgeline, use the smallest no stretch line you can find (small diameter single braid spectra), although many just use line from the tarp to the tree, and use tha actual seam of the tarp as it's own built in ridgeline.
guylines: #18 braided nylon mason's line, since it's nylon, it has built in stretch, making tarp tensioners less necessary, if tarp tensioners are used, you could go with spectra line
mason's line is good for draw cords too, get it at home depot for dirt cheap
what diameter is masons line? I like the spear no tangle, but for $25, I would like to go with something cheaper, unless anyone has spare no tangle line.
it says #18 braided nylon on the package, there are different kinds, twisted, unknown material, you don't want those. their all about the same size though, about 1-2mm, about the same as the speer stuff., costs 10$ for 500' 250' spools may be available too. stringliner and marshaltown are the best brands, you can get stringliner in dark green, most brands have a neon yellow or pink option too.
Originally Posted by skar578
it is more prone to tangling though, so just wrap long sections around a stake or stick
ok. so the mason line is good for the tie outs, what about the structure? Amsteel or spyderline?
i use uncovered 3 mm vectran, the 2.7mm amsteel would be a little lighter and perform the same. i am partial to the uncovered lines and their soft feel, which i think makes for better knotability.
Originally Posted by warbonnetguy
I believe you need to rethink the nylon mason's line and tarp guylines application. Nylon mason's line stretches the same as a silnylon tarp stretches and will add to the stretching and sagging of the tarp. Tarp tensioners or shock cord start out stretched and have elasticity that compensates for the stretch of silynylon tarps.
well, if you set your guylines under tension by pulling them really tight, it will act just like a tensioner, and recoil some (not as much as a rubber tubing, but it will recoil), taking up at least some of the slack added by the sagging tarp. this only works because the mason line is so stretchy, and works better with longer sections of line. highly tensioned nylon will remain tight when slack is added (by a sagging tarp for instance), provided the amount of slack added isn't more than the amount of stretch in the line, which is why it won't work well with really short lengths of line.
4' of the stuff has at least a couple inches worth of stretch in it. that will give alot better results than you would get with spectra. i'm not saying it will eliminate the need for tensioners altogether, just make them less necessary like they are with no stretch lines.
but with nylon mason line, when the nylon tarp stretches, the nylon line will too, right?
I would be adding shock cord anyway. but to clarify.