Dutch clips and 30 degree angle

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• 12-18-2012, 18:09
jokerr
Dutch clips and 30 degree angle
Looking at Dutch clips on store site it says Dutch clips are meant to be used only with hammocks that have a 30 degree angle or sag in the suspension. Why is that? I have a WB Ridgerunner with about a 20 degree hang angle. Does that mean I should not use Dutch clips?
• 12-18-2012, 18:22
Brute1100
It's probably a weight rating issue... Changing the hang angle from 30* to 20* changes the force applied upward significantly...
• 12-18-2012, 18:49
Dutch
The 30 degree angle is a good guideline and as Brute said at 20 degrees you are increasing he forces on your suspension. So if you wiegh close to the weigh limit and you hang at a 20 degree angle the clip could fail. However that is the loaded angle and it is pretty tough to have a loaded hammock with less than a 30 degree angle unless you are starting with it tight from tree to tree and the trees are prettt close together.
• 12-18-2012, 19:22
ibgary
There is a chart in the form somewhere that tells you the applied forces at different angles. The lower the angle the greater the force. It's a pretty steep curve.
The Ultimate Hang has a chart also.

30* 200lbs=173 lbs of force
20* 200lbs=275
15* 373
5* 1143Attachment 43513
• 12-18-2012, 19:59
swankfly
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Originally Posted by ibgary
There is a chart in the form somewhere that tells you the applied forces at different angles. The lower the angle the greater the force. It's a pretty steep curve.
The Ultimate Hang has a chart also.

30* 200lbs=173 lbs of force
20* 200lbs=275
15* 373
5* 1143Attachment 43513

Freakin physics, only way a 200# person can end up weighing 1100# by changing the angle of the scale. I hate you Einstein...

Can't you figure out a way to make me weigh less?

swank
• 12-18-2012, 20:24
outdoorsguy
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Originally Posted by senecio-joe
Looking at Dutch clips on store site it says Dutch clips are meant to be used only with hammocks that have a 30 degree angle or sag in the suspension. Why is that? I have a WB Ridgerunner with about a 20 degree hang angle. Does that mean I should not use Dutch clips?

I have a RR too and even though Brandon says to hang at about 25 deg., I hang at 30 deg. I know people hang their bridge hammocks at shallow angles for a flatter lay, but I wonder, have you tried hanging at 30? It does make a slight difference, not quite as tight, but it's not enough of a difference to take a chance on straining the heck out of my suspension. I want it to last a long time.

The thought of hearing a snap in the middle of the night and waking up with a headache on the ground creeps me out.
• 12-18-2012, 20:40
swankfly
So I now have 2 sets of quilt hangers, 2 Dutch hooks, 4 quilt hooks but no clips, if someone would send me some we could get to the bottom of this..

swank
• 12-18-2012, 21:34
gmcttr
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Originally Posted by swankfly
...but no clips, if someone would send me some we could get to the bottom of this...

Dutch will trade clips for digits in cyberspace.:lol:
• 12-18-2012, 21:37
ibgary
No guts no glory.
I figure, when I was climbing I was taking falls of 10-40' and always went home. If I can't survive a two ft fall I deserve to die. Well deserve to die regardless.
• 12-19-2012, 11:16
jokerr
I think I was just looking for a reason to not buy Dutch clips. I know I don't need them but I want to have them anyway.

I use Stingers and Flyz with my tarp and they work perfect. Small and light

On my hammock I use a heavier and stronger setup just to feel secure.
One inch or two inch tree straps with a climbing rated biner then webbing to my RR. Simple and easy and my hammock straps never get dirt or sap.

I really don't think much about my hang angle, I'm over six feet so I put tree straps head high, adjust hammock for good sitting position and that makes the angle probably around 30 degrees.

I am going to buy the Dutch clips just to have. Maybe I will use them, maybe I will just play with them.
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