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    Sock vs Winter Tarp?

    Is it generally a good idea to use both a 4 season tarp (superfly) AND a sock?

    Or does the superfly block wind etc well enough that you don't really need the sock?

    Or .... maybe the sock and superfly will cause too much condensation together?

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    Depends on the sock material I think. I once used a WB sock which is nylon with my superfly and had lots of condensation. A canvas sock is more breathable and holds any frozen moisture better than nylon. A good canvas sock can be used without a tarp but if there is wet snow, a tarp might needed. Others will add their experience.
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    I've done a lot of testing with winter socks in deep cold and my opinion is they are just not worth it below temps of 20f. You get too much condensation for it to really make a big difference and your tarp will be good enough. Also, have your under quilt made from a wind resistant fabric and you will be good to go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fronkey View Post
    I've done a lot of testing with winter socks in deep cold and my opinion is they are just not worth it below temps of 20f. You get too much condensation for it to really make a big difference and your tarp will be good enough. Also, have your under quilt made from a wind resistant fabric and you will be good to go. Fronkey
    Fronkey -- What material(s) are your "winter" socks made out of? I use a DIY canvas sock and it is at it's best below twenty degrees.
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    It's made of canvas too. What's the lowest temp you've tried yours in? I took mine down to -20f and it was filled with condensation. I've since switched to vapor barriers and it worked fantastic on my thru-hike of the Superior Hiking Trail in winter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fronkey View Post
    It's made of canvas too. What's the lowest temp you've tried yours in? I took mine down to -20f and it was filled with condensation. I've since switched to vapor barriers and it worked fantastic on my thru-hike of the Superior Hiking Trail in winter.Fronkey
    I've gotten down to 0 but never close to -20 in the sock (I've done -17 in a snow cave). I'll concede to anybody who's thru-hiked the SHT in winter.

    I wonder if the type of canvas makes any difference? Mine is made out of a cheap painters drop cloth. No idea what weight it is, but the thing is heavy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obxh2o View Post
    I've gotten down to 0 but never close to -20 in the sock (I've done -17 in a snow cave). I'll concede to anybody who's thru-hiked the SHT in winter.

    I wonder if the type of canvas makes any difference? Mine is made out of a cheap painters drop cloth. No idea what weight it is, but the thing is heavy.
    If it works for you then that's awesome and I would keep using it then. I used regular cotton canvas to make mine and tried experimenting by making the opening bigger with no luck. Mine sure was heavy too. Lol

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    I have the Ridgerunner. I got the Spindrift a while back to use with it sometimes. It really helps if it gets windy out. I recently had it out at 23 degrees and it formed quite a bit of condensation inside of it. Also according to my thermometer it pretty much got as cold inside as it was outside. That's always using a tarp overhead too. I guess more than anything its good for windy nights.
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    I just finished some initial tests of a wind break system this weekend. I had a real increase inside. I haven't been able to get it below freezing but it weighs only 8oz. Could be less with a lighter fabric. Easy to DIY too. It might be what you're looking for.




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    SirMarkos, That's a fascinating idea. I like the idea of a little bungee cord at the ends staked down and the strip of velcro holding the doors together. For the weight it looks like it would really help with windy conditions. Very Cool!

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