This stand is the subject of a video that ramblinrev did. Uses 8 ft 4x4 and is the solution to "Weak stand" problems... I missed out on the Clearence of these from www.hammocks.com. If anyone has a spare they'd like to sell, Or know of a site that also had them, Please let me know... They said they might be getting some more in a couple of months. Would like to use in the yard where there are no trees.