so is an under quilt really needed?

**fishfish** · 11-03-2014, 15:56

i made one out of down and its very snug but i got thinking about all the bulk it ads tothe carry list,and i came up with this:

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so what do you guys think about this? arew we all victims of material hammocks? did the native folks have it right all along? i would love to hear your thoughts on this.

**OutandBack** · 11-03-2014, 16:11

Back in the day there were fishnet hammocks and one would use an ensolite pad on the fishnet
and from your body weight it would poke thru all the diamond shaped holes keeping us very warm.

**FLRider** · 11-03-2014, 16:12

It might work for warmer temperatures, but--like a sewn-through quilt--the compressed spots where there is no loft will be cold for most folks below ~50* F.

This is the reason why colder rated quilts have baffles.

Of course, YMMV.

**canoebie** · 11-03-2014, 16:19

Looks like a pea pod. I have seen these a couple of times. The whole thing slips over the hammock, with the under part under the hammock like an underquilt, but integrated into the bag. Shug discusses it here. https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...-Minnesota-Eve

**hutzelbein** · 11-04-2014, 06:25

Wouldn't work for me. For a netted hammock to be reasonably comfortable, the net needs to be quite fine. This means the sleeping bag doesn't have a lot of space to expand through the holes. As FLRider said, it might work in warmer nights and/or for warm sleepers, but it would be nowhere as effective as having down insulation under the hammock, free to expand completely.

However, don't take my word for it. Go ahead and try it out. I think a lot of army shops sell very cheap net hammocks. Not very comfortable, but good for an afternoon test-nap. Maybe it works for you.

But definitely have a look at the pea pod as canoebie suggested. It works differently because you use the sleeping bag outside and around the hammock. I have used it successfully - but short and narrow hammocks work best.

**gmcttr** · 11-04-2014, 07:55

Originally Posted by hutzelbein

Wouldn't work for me. For a netted hammock to be reasonably comfortable, the net needs to be quite fine. This means the sleeping bag doesn't have a lot of space to expand through the holes....

^^^This. The catch is the space between strands in netted hammocks is small, even the heavy rope "patio" hammocks do not have large enough gaps.

While your sketch depicts a nice theory, it also has the strands/ropes ~6" apart.

**IRONFISH45** · 11-04-2014, 08:28

Looks miserable to me, that being said, it is up to the individual and see if it works for them.

The first thing the majority of us learn is to supply something under us to stop the loss of heat from convection.

Netting is nice for a nap, all night is painful, to me at least.

**SirMarkos** · 11-04-2014, 08:34

The other issue with netting style hammocks is all the pressure points they create.

Winter camping will always be a bit bulky, but with down's natural compressibility, the effect is lessened. As is your wallet but "pay once, cry once" and sleep warm

**sargevining** · 11-04-2014, 08:41

Seems to me I'd just be cold in a grid pattern instead of all over.

**MidTNJohn** · 11-13-2014, 11:19

The natives couldn't make breathable strong material.

Originally Posted by fishfish

i made one out of down and its very snug but i got thinking about all the bulk it ads tothe carry list,and i came up with this:

hammocks.png

so what do you guys think about this? arew we all victims of material hammocks? did the native folks have it right all along? i would love to hear your thoughts on this.