Of course I'm an old fart ... but I can remember switching from a canvas pup tent to a canvas miner's tent to save weight! Then switching to a canvas tarp to get even lighter. I also remember my last canvas frame pack ... while it's nice to think back on ... wouldn't want to go backwards. That stuff is heavy! And when it rains ... it's heavier!

Did I mention I love my HH and will only go to ground if forced too? Light weight tent or not!