Looking for line that will work with knots and Dutchware

[MiriRose]

I can take some pictures in the morning to demo the set ups if you like.

I would like. I'm stuck on figuring out how you use the second dutch hook! I can think of a bunch of ways that a hook and a flyz could be used together, but combinations involving two hooks are eluding me.

[Boston]

Interesting! Where in the taut line hitch are you adding the wraps? With the first two wraps or with the half hitch that it finishes off with or both?

If you add a wrap to the half hitch you've effectively tied a prussik, fyi. Typically you add a wrap to the side that holds the load. Prussiks are bi-directional (they will hold with a load applied going either direction. so you add a wrap to both sides. When using a loop to tie it this is done automatically), taut-line's are mono-directional (they hold wiht a load applied only 1 direction. add a wrap to the side with multiple wraps already).

[ksbcrocks]

Interesting! Where in the taut line hitch are you adding the wraps? With the first two wraps or with the half hitch that it finishes off with or both?

I just went and checked and for some reason I have the regular 2 wraps, and then 3 on the finishing side. They've never slipped. That's odd though.

[T- Minus]

here are pic's of set up 1&2 basic configuration for tarp tie out line with Dutch bling.jpgcolser view option 1 on rt side option 2 on lft side.jpgOp1 001Dutch hook on tarp's split ring.jpgOp1 002 Dutch flyz tied on the line and showing loop on tail end.jpgOp1 003 Dutch hook around the tree.jpgOp1 004 full view of option 1.jpgOp2 001 Dutch hook on spitring of tarp connected to loop on line.jpgOp2 002 line around tree connected to Dutch flyz.jpgOp2 003 exter line with Dutch hook on tail end.jpgOp2 004 full view of option 2 with tarp bag on hook.jpg

[T- Minus]

pics of CTR set upOP3 CTR full set up.jpgOp3 CTR001 Dutch hook connected to loop line around tree and tru split eye.jpgOp3 CTR002 line around tree.jpgOp3 extra line for CTR.jpgOp3 CTR003 hook end on tail connected to loop on extra line.jpgOp3CTR004 wider view.jpgOP3 CTR005 eltra line tru split eye connected to dutch hook ran around tree connected to Dutch h.jpgOp3 CTR lien aournd tree and back from tarp dutch hook to secure on tarp flyz.jpg

[SilvrSurfr]

I go for the absolute minimum - Dutch hook on one end and tarp flyz or fleaz on the other end of a Zing-It 1.75 mm CRL. Brandon likes a non-continuous ridgeline.

[T- Minus]

I did that too for a bit, the smaller Dutch hook holds the line and don't slip off unlike the hook on the flyz, its great for a fast set up when its raining without the worry of getting your tarp soaked or dropped in the dirt. Looking at HG cuben fiber snakeskin.Op4 002 closer view.jpgOp4 003 another view.jpg also with the two split eyes having dutch hooks on each I can use the extra line as a clothes line when its raining.

[MiriRose]

here are pic's of set up 1&2

Thanks! I understand what you're doing now. How useful do you find it in practice to have the lines separate from the tarp and to be able to start from the tree or the tarp when setting up? As I understand what you've been saying, those are the advantages of your arrangement compared to arrangements using fewer pieces of Dutch bling, so I'm curious to know how much they make a difference in practice.

[T- Minus]

Thanks! I understand what you're doing now. How useful do you find it in practice to have the lines separate from the tarp and to be able to start from the tree or the tarp when setting up? As I understand what you've been saying, those are the advantages of your arrangement compared to arrangements using fewer pieces of Dutch bling, so I'm curious to know how much they make a difference in practice.

I started with just tying the line to the tree and tarp, never could get it as tight as I liked, getting it untied was even worse.
watched a bunch of vids on YouTube Dutch This Dutch that...and alot of thank you everybuddy's later (I tease you Dutch you rock!) it's all about what's good for you.
I like options and for under an ounce to even a few grams this was the most useful to me. Sometimes I leave the lines on, sometimes off, depending on time, weather, and agenda for the day. Never have to worry about a head end or a foot end on my tarp its grab and go. I can get my lines super tight and secure in seconds and never have to worry about slippage, weight, adjustments on the fly. what tree's I can and can't use tying knots, and for a few bucks and under 3/4 of an ounce for my ridgeline setup 4 dutch hooks 2 flyz 25' red lash it and 13' of grey dyneema I would say its hard to beat. Sure I could save 2 grams and just do option 4. but I can do it all and more I made a offset tarp set up but can't get it on here. I don't like the CTR takes too long to set up and sliding your tarp back and forth can wear out your lines, my example was the no knots CTR. You could always tie a lie to two trees and clip your tarp to two pursik's. I use option one and 2 as I feed the tarp out the bag as I hang it. These hooks are tiny small. using them now I doubt they would ever break, but if they did I also don't have to leave the woods for a fix to reorder and wait out at the mailbox for it to arrive. And last but not least my Shopping with http://www.dutchwaregear.com/ has been
great.

[MiriRose]

T-Minus, I'm not suggesting you should change what you're doing, if you like it then that's great and all that really matters. However, for anyone else who's reading this, I think that the arrangement that hutzelbein demonstrates here: https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...ding-more-linehas the same advantages with fewer pieces of bling. It could be done with Fleaz or Flyz instead of Stingerz if you don't mind leaving hardware attached to your tarp when you pack it.