Observations and questions

[-Sawg]

I just spent my first full night in a hammock. Some observations... It was a perfect night, moon shining on me, owls hooting. I slept better than I do in a tent. No aches. I had to sleep on my back for the most part, which is new for me, but I did it. Butt stayed warm so long as I was on my pad, got down to 41 last night. Woke because a bird landed on my Ridgeline, what a nice way to wake up! but not everything is perfect. I destroyed my toggles in my Marlin Spike hitches. My hammock fell with me in it early in the night. My woopie slings were very hard to adjust with even a small amount of weight in the hammock (sleeping bag and pad).

Questions. Are sinch buckles going to be easier to adjust and/or more secure than woopies? What is the weight difference between woopies and sinch buckles?

[droidrunner]

Remember to put the whoopie sling on the knot, not the actual toggle.


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[FJRpilot]

I destroyed my toggles in my Marlin Spike hitches. My hammock fell with me in it early in the night. My woopie slings were very hard to adjust with even a small amount of weight in the hammock (sleeping bag and pad).

Questions. Are sinch buckles going to be easier to adjust and/or more secure than woopies? What is the weight difference between woopies and sinch buckles?

A question, you did put your whoopie's on the knot and not the toggles? The knot is what bears the weight from the hammock, only a compressive force is exerted on the toggles. If you places the whoppies on the toggles, this would explain both the difficulty in adjusting the Whoopies as well as the eventual failure.

I think that Cinch buckles and whoopies are equally easy to adjust. The difference is that you are eliminating the Amsteel and using the webbing instead. Webbing is heavier per foot then Amsteel. You can always check out UCR's.

[Cabmanhang]

+1 on the ucr's. This is a great way to eliminate the tension problem with whoopie slings. And to second what others have said: the toggle should never hold the weight of the hammock, the knot should.

[Hobopelican]

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I use both cinch bugs(not buckles) and whoopie slings at different times and seem to go back and forth on which I use. One thing I do with the slings is to tuck the hammock end under my armpit when adjusting the slings. This let's me relieve the pressure and have both hands available to adjust the slings. Sort of obvious, I know, but I didn't see it for a number of hangs!

[johnspenn]

RE: adjusting the whoopies- because of their design it will always be difficult to adjust when loaded with weight. I can typically adjust mine with an empty hammock but once you add quilts it becomes more difficult. As stated above, the armpit maneuver is effective.

RE: toggle- also as stated above repeat this mantra: place your slings on the knot and not the toggle. I've used some pretty "punky" (i.e. soft) sticks as toggles before and they worked.

That said with just a slight variation in your knot, you can eliminate the toggle altogether. I've hung without a toggle for several months now. Here's a video I did on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eNjkroTjyQ

Either way know that your problems have answers and that with just a little more experience you'll be hanging ground-less and fancy free!

[-Sawg]

I hung them on the knot, not the toggle, but looks like it slipped or was crushed as the tension increased

[Cincyjp]

Every time I hang up my hammock, I have Shug echoing in my head - "on the knot, not on the toggle." I think I watched his Intro videos too much.


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[droidrunner]

I hung them on the knot, not the toggle, but looks like it slipped or was crushed as the tension increased

I've used carbon fiber arrow shafts as toggles and they were crushed one night. I switched to carabiners after that as the toggles


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[bodhran4me]

What did you use for the toggles? I have crushed punky wood in my MSH. Good sound sticks, tent pegs, nails and even used a screwdriver in a pinch, all with good results.