Amsteel locked brummel splicing question

[g2outdoors]

Is there a way to do a locked brummel with only 1 free end while capturing a loop?

I have 2 webbing loops that i'm connecting via an Amsteel dog bone. The first webbing loop is easy, I just do a locked brummel. For the second webbing loop I've been doing a lock stictch. I'd love to have 2 locked brummels but for the life of me I can't figure a way.

Maybe @opie can chime in?

Thanks!

[Phantom Grappler]

Yes, in Grogg knot app, Brummel McDonald. You can make a splice without access to other end. I’ve never done that Brummel McDonald.
If you have a loop splice (long bury splice)on other end,
You can drag whole loop through second splice and splice just like you did first splice——it will drag through.
The only reason for doing Brummel McDonald is if you absolutely can’t get to other end.

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[g2outdoors]

Yes, in Grogg knot app, Brummel McDonald. You can make a splice without access to other end. I’ve never done that Brummel McDonald.
If you have a loop splice (long bury splice)on other end,
You can drag whole loop through second splice and splice just like you did first splice——it will drag through.
The only reason for doing Brummel McDonald is if you absolutely can’t get to other end.

I learned this from Old4hats
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Thanks for the reply. I have seen that version before, but it won't work for my application, unfortunately.

There's no way I could get my webbing loops through the Amsteel towards the end (:48) of the knot.


Any other options out there? I think the answer is "no" and I'll have to stick with the lock stitch.

[Wisscy]

An outside the box option could be to sew your webbing loops after you pass them through the amsteel. Not ideal and it's probably easier to lock stich than bar tack, but something to consider.

As an aside, even with nothing in the loop I really dislike the one end brummel. But that might be a practice thing.

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[g2outdoors]

That is actually what I'll do once/if I go into production, but for now I'll have to stick to the lock stitch it seems.

[Phantom Grappler]

Maybe make both end loops in amsteel with locked brummel and attach to webbing loop with larkshead
Or make Brummel McDonald if, you dare. I’m thinking you can make one with a little practice with short scraps of amsteel that you have extra.


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[Just Bill]

An outside the box option could be to sew your webbing loops after you pass them through the amsteel. Not ideal and it's probably easier to lock stich than bar tack, but something to consider.

As an aside, even with nothing in the loop I really dislike the one end brummel. But that might be a practice thing.

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That is actually what I'll do once/if I go into production, but for now I'll have to stick to the lock stitch it seems.

You can do the splice shared by Phantom Grappler. But you have to make the loop you form large enough to turn the full piece back through.
It's doable when working with splicing to webbing (like whoopies to huggers) but not so much with larger pieces or some sort of continuous/single line suspension.

At the end of the day it's not worth it and easier to just do the lock stitch most of the time.

Can we assume this is for a bridge of some sort?

If you're looking to do the single dogbone method discussed in other places for a bridge... You'll want to do your splicing first for sure.

There are other reasons related to constructability of the product as a whole that make this choice ideal as well.

[g2outdoors]

Yeah it's for a bridge of sorts.

I had already Googled this ad nauseum and knew the answer. But I thought there could be an outside chance someone here might know of some sorcery to solve my problem.

Lock stitch it is.

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[mrcheviot]

I use the single end McDonald brummel 95% of the time for loops on every type of cordage I splice. It's faster for me, super easy to get the loop and bury size perfect, and yes, like most things it just requires a little practice. I don't do it exactly like the Grog site (more like L-36 instructions), maybe I'll have to post a video showing some tips & tricks to it.

For the webbing issue you've brought up, I agree that sewing the webbing loop after is ideal. Are the webbing loops connected (like a tree hugger?) or separate? I'm pretty sure if they're separate it can be done with the McDonald splice provided the webbing isn't super stout. If they're connected a la tree hugger or single line then it wouldn't work since the entirety of the webbing would also have to pass through it, and the end of that is already connected to the other loop on the same length of Amsteel.

[MikekiM]

Yes, in Grogg knot app, Brummel McDonald. You can make a splice without access to other end. I’ve never done that Brummel McDonald.
If you have a loop splice (long bury splice)on other end,
You can drag whole loop through second splice and splice just like you did first splice——it will drag through.
The only reason for doing Brummel McDonald is if you absolutely can’t get to other end.

I learned this from Old4hats
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Brunnel McDonald.. that is one cool splice. Could have used that a bunch of times. Thanks for posting it..