I suppose you could make the of the loop adjustable by having 2
stopper knots. But this places a knot in the shackle.
I suppose you could make the of the loop adjustable by having 2
stopper knots. But this places a knot in the shackle.
Opie - you can still use a Diamond/Lanyard knot with the single line.
It will look a little funny with a small loop coming out where your tail is now and a second short tail coming out where you enter the knot.
The advantage of the Diamond/Lanyard knot is that it was been pretty well tested already.
No, I don't think you can. The carrick(sp) bend requires 2 seperate lines.Originally Posted by TiredFeet
I'm working with some stoppers that are specific to being used with SK 75 cord.
opie, I think you actually can. It might help to picture the usual 'tail' pieces as segments of a small loop that got cut in the middle, then envision one of the two (usually) load bearing segments cut off near the knot.
How to actually *tie* it, OTOH...
- Frawg
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I had a smart a** comment for you.. but figured Id better not.opie, I think you actually can. It might help to picture the usual 'tail' pieces as segments of a small loop that got cut in the middle, then envision one of the two (usually) load bearing segments cut off near the knot.
How to actually *tie* it, OTOH...
I get the tail pieces being a small loop, but how would you individually run the same loop opposite directions around the 2 "standing" parts of the line at the same time?
And how would you start a carrick(sp?) bend with a single strand of line? I made this by essentially starting with 40" of line. Then buried enough of the line to almost bury half of my starting length. Leaving enough tail to run a backsplice. Its almost just like 2 backsplices. The long one you dont bury the end so you can make the lock. The short one meets the long one in the at the opposite end of the line. I also locked the long one using a brummel right at the area I tie the stopper knot so the brummel is buried in the middle of the stopper.
The stoppers, Im trying 2, are the Stevedores (double 8) and the Blood knot. They are very simple and perfect if you want to have a single strand of line. Takes a fraction of the time to tie than the diamond knot. I like the way the blood knot looks dressed out. The stevedores is the one I used in the example I have pictured.
<chuckle> You're a wiser man than I!I had a smart a** comment for you.. but figured Id better not.
Sorry for the diversion, opie -- it's just an intellectual (?!) exercise on my part. I like what you do!
Short answer -- beats me!I get the tail pieces being a small loop, but how would you individually run the same loop opposite directions around the 2 "standing" parts of the line at the same time?
Actually, I cheated and found a brute force solution, thanks to the (anti?)symmetry of the knot. Start with a length of line and tie the ends in the usual way, as if you were making a lanyard. Before dressing the knot, though, start walking the main loop through the knot, successively pulling the main loop through until the last piece you pull on is one of the tails. Finally, dress and tighten the knot so that all slack is moved to the long "tail" and you have a diamond knot on the end of the line. It's not exactly how I'd envisioned it happening originally but I think the result is topologically identical.
You actually do a lot more than I was thinking about -- I was just thinking of the one piece of the puzzle. Also, the other knots you were talking about might be better... and "blood knot" has a certain panache to it.
Cheers!
- Frawg
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Not so sure about that!!!<chuckle> You're a wiser man than I!
No diversion... I welcome the creativity and ingenuity.Sorry for the diversion, opie -- it's just an intellectual (?!) exercise on my part. I like what you do!
Short answer -- beats me!
See now you went and lost me.
Especially if you know the history of the blood knot. I gotta give props to Red, though. For sending me the link to the knots Im trying. I told him at the hang what I was wanting to do and he hooked me up.You actually do a lot more than I was thinking about -- I was just thinking of the one piece of the puzzle. Also, the other knots you were talking about might be better... and "blood knot" has a certain panache to it.
Cheers!
how does the loop tighten on the stopper knot?
By milking the bury down towards the stopper.
i would think you would get a more even distribution of force across the two seperate lines that form the stopper by using opies method of splicing them into themselves. \
I plan on making some like this in amsteel to connect my straps to my slings.
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