New product for Figure 9 users

[schrochem]

I started looking into other things made in the climbing industry that might apply this new style of attachment. They weigh a bit more than using the nine but will be rated.
Top pf my list is the PMI PED
I emailed them about the weight but I found elsewhere it weighs 1.5oz

the other two I found were the CMI ultra8 (1.9oz) and the smc personal escape (2oz)

Right now I have a cinch buckle (1oz) and a carabiner (1oz) plus all that webbing. If I use the PMI PED, I'd shave 0.5oz there and then probably more using rope instead of webbing.

Also, I found this site.
Loads of stuff in there......
Lots of ideas come flying in...

[stoikurt]

Aren't those going to require larger ropes possibly negating any weight or space savings?

[slowhike]

i'm still interested in the anchor shaped deal that WBG was talking about making.
i think that's got to work well.
same principal as this... http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/2/5/9240.jpg

[warbonnetguy]

who did you ship with? GPO, never heard of them?

I am in Hong Kong, but shipping is no problem at all. On another forum I recently shipped pocket knives to the UK for under a dollar. In fact the cost for the first 30g is only 50¢ and these weigh 5.9g.

Shipping time was 4 days for the fastest deliveries. Most of the 20 recipients got theirs within 6 days. A few took longer, but that was because they shipped to addresses that they didn't visit to pick up from for a week or so.

The mail process is roughly like this:

Delivery to GPO (upto 1 day depending on time of day)
Sorting and security clearance (1 day)
Flight (1 day)
Customs clearance (upto 1 day)
Sorting and delivery (1 day)

Depending on the union coffee breaks and unfortunate timing coincidences like missing flights, you might add a day at any one or more steps, but not usually.

Give it a try, it will cost you nothing and you will get a feel for international shipping.

[schrochem]

Aren't those going to require larger ropes possibly negating any weight or space savings?

I still think you can use smaller diameter rope (I use 1/8" spyderline). I think it will hold in there fine. After fiddling with the 9 I noticed we just need a couple of friction points. After perusing around it looks like there are lots of ways to do that. Finding something in the climbing world that's rated is a bonus I think. However, that PED isn't all that cheap....

[warbonnetguy]

wow, can't believe we didn't figure that one out before now. let us know if it holds

Here's another way to use the 9 with a simple tie to what WBG did.
I just followed the lasered in directions.......
Haven't tried it yet. It weighs about 10.5-11g (EDIT: weighed here at the lab it's actually 11.97g) and what just one simple cut on the 9 to get just the handle.

[warbonnetguy]

those belay devices will need to be tied off in order to hold. they are designed for 9mm rope or larger, and will cause even much less friction than they would with climbing rope.

I started looking into other things made in the climbing industry that might apply this new style of attachment. They weigh a bit more than using the nine but will be rated.
Top pf my list is the PMI PED
I emailed them about the weight but I found elsewhere it weighs 1.5oz

the other two I found were the CMI ultra8 (1.9oz) and the smc personal escape (2oz)

Right now I have a cinch buckle (1oz) and a carabiner (1oz) plus all that webbing. If I use the PMI PED, I'd shave 0.5oz there and then probably more using rope instead of webbing.

Also, I found this site.
Loads of stuff in there......
Lots of ideas come flying in...

[warbonnetguy]

i guess you could thread them differently than for rappeling purposes, so they would hold with the proper hitch, but since it's a closed system, you can't wrap the rope and would have to physically tie the hitch, untie the hitch, adjust line, retie the hitch. if you are going to do all that tying, you could just tie straight to the webbing.

those belay devices will need to be tied off in order to hold. they are designed for 9mm rope or larger, and will cause even much less friction than they would with climbing rope.

[schrochem]

Okay, I have attached a possible workup of the PED.
I think this is the same principal as we have been investigating.
I found some specs on that thing and it's 1/2" thick.

[warbonnetguy]

ok i see. that is a pretty simple hitch. something like that could be made really easy by drilling some holes in an alum plate, it could be made really
light too, and since it's closed it would be stronger, and could be made even lighter still.

Okay, I have attached a possible workup of the PED
I think this is the same principal as we have been investigating.
I found some specs on that thing and it's 1/2" thick.