if anyone's intrested in aluminum toggles this might be of intrest. i found these at my local rei store http://www.rei.com/search?query=tent+pole+repair i bought two of the 13.2mm tent pole repair thingies. 1.50 us$. they are 5.125 inches long. i have no scale, but seem to be very lite and after cutting down to aprox. 4inches, should be close to the weight of an arrow shaft cut to the same length. one more thing, they are large enought so that they can be handled a lot easyer that the arrow shafts. if this has been brought up before, please feel free to delet this