thule vs no see um

**fred1diver** · 04-25-2011, 18:40

well the tittle says it all

as a netting for a diy hammock what is the main difference between the two
and why use one over the other

thanks in advance
FRED

**Ladybird** · 04-25-2011, 21:16

I think the tulle is not small enough for all the little buggers, but is seems fine for some people. I used organza from joanns and sewed it to one side of my eno. Will drape it over the RL and tuck it under the UQ. Can't say much for the noseeum, don't have any. ...but make sure you get a dark color, it is easier to see out of.

**mountaingoat** · 04-25-2011, 21:26

What I like about the No see um, compared to Thule, is that it really does not snag very easily. With other materials, even a hangnail can do damage.

**JohnSawyer** · 04-25-2011, 21:52

Like mentioned above, Tulle has big holes. Some report OK results with mosquitos.

Like Ladybird, I've successfully used Organza. I spray-dyed mine a black random pattern. Much easier to see out!

Good no-see-um is much stronger than tulle, too.

That said, my local Joann's has Mosquito netting, but it's white. I am going to spray camo-netting... It's not as small as no-see um, though.

John

**Youngblood** · 04-26-2011, 06:02

There are a few issues that are loosely related.

One is durability versus hole size with mosquito netting, thule, Organza, etc versus the very small hole size of noseeum netting. Noseeum netting is going to be more durable because it simple isn't going to snag on all the things the netting with larger holes will. But that said, the rest of the stuff are not all equal among themselves either.

Second is they vary in weight. Some mosquito netting weighs in at over 2 oz per yd^2 while some of the other materials are pushing 0.5 oz per yd^2. Most of the noseeum netting comes in around 1 oz per yd^2.

Third is, forgetting weight and durability, which one is going to give you what you want. Larger hole sizes will not stop the tiny insects, the ones you can hardly see... they will not stop a light breeze like noseeum does either when it is suffocatingly hot. But that breeze thing flips on you when it is cool or cold because the noseeum will trap a little of your body heat to help keep you warm when the other stuff will not.

Here are a few 'for what it is worth' comments for when it is all settled and you are sleeping at night. Noseeum size netting is not always needed, many times mosquito netting is all you need, but when you need noseeum netting, that's what you need. When you don't need it but you do at least need mosquito netting, mosquito needed is likely what you will wish you had. The hole size (or count, that is really how they classify it-- number of holes per square inch) on the window screens on my home are between the size of the mosquito netting I have and the noseeum I have.

**fred1diver** · 04-26-2011, 06:47

cool thanks everyone

**JohnSawyer** · 04-30-2011, 01:50

I just finished this hammock:

The bugnet is green organza. The hole size is so small that it really stops breezes, and it doesn't snag on velcro. White is ultra-cheap at $3/yd at Joann's, and it's available in a variety of colors. (My daughter almost picked a green with flower print organza!) Yes, even pink with purple flowers was available.

The mesh is so fine, that White is almost impossible to see through, and I can't see any bug ever sneaking through it.... I'd have to weigh it, but is feels much lighter than 1oz/yd... I think I have a new favorite.

**Oh-No** · 04-30-2011, 05:01

Originally Posted by Ladybird

I think the tulle is not small enough for all the little buggers,

Treating the tulle with permethrin should stop
the little guys.

**Pipsissewa** · 04-30-2011, 08:45

I like to use organza like John Sawyer's. It is not netting, it's sheer fabric, so I can't imagine any bug can get through it. It blocks more air than netting, for sure, but that's not a problem for me. You just have to make your own choice.

Black is by far the easiest to see out of. I read that "mirror organza" is not as sparkly as "crystal organza". Organza can be made from many materials: silk, cotton, polyester, nylon, etc. I believe my 100% polyester organza weighs .75 oz/square yard. It's pretty tough stuff; I've made snakeskins and a Bishop's bag with it.