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    dp Quilts: 1/2" = 4" loft?

    Hangers,

    For those of you who didn't read the thread, "Ultralite & Value Priced = dphammockgear.com", this is my thought on how the dp Under-Quilt 1/2" insulation could have 4" of loft controversy.



    How does the dp Under-Quilt loft from 1/2" insulation to 4"?

    The infamous "4 inches" ... Best I remember the friend's quote was, "Dave, it looks like there is 4" of loft".


    I wish my buddy had said, Dave it looks like there is 4" of loft "on the end".



    I'm sure the vast majority of you visualized the quilt's pressure points and said "NO WAY".
    I'm the first to agree. It is physically impossible for the dp Under-Quilt to have 4" of loft at pressure points with the way the dp Under-Quilt is made.

    It was my mistake that I didn't make it clear in the controversy that I was visualizing where the infamous 4" puffed pockets are, the END of the quilt, the foot end of the quilt.



    So, please try to see my point of view and visualize the "end" of the quilt?

    On a gathered end hammock, the dp Under-Quilt is also gathered at each end to seal the warmed air space. And it's gatherings hang rather loosely from the hammock at the ends of the quilt.

    Just below the under-quilts gathering, there is a puffiness created and the quilt hangs down up to the hanger's pressure points in the hammock.


    Does the dp quilt's end gatherings look like there is 4" of loft?
    Maybe. Maybe not, but it's close. I guess it depends on where you look?


    I'm off to a hang in an hour to clear my head, so I won't be available to answer my critics for a few days.

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    Here I Go Again....

    D-P,
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    I will close the thread until d-p returns, in order to allow him to respond to any questions or comments at that time.


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    The OP has returned from travels and requested the reopening of the thread. Please make certain that any questions, criticisms or commentary are civil in nature.


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    I was following the other thread on and off, and I don't recall any pictures, so would it be inaccurate to describe the UQ as having a 1/2" of insulation, and due to the differential cut of the outer shell, an additional maximum 3 1/2" of dead airspace/ "loft" depending on its proximity to pressure points &c. for a grand total of 4"? Am I seeing this correctly in my minds eye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redoleary View Post
    I was following the other thread on and off, and I don't recall any pictures, so would it be inaccurate to describe the UQ as having a 1/2" of insulation, and due to the differential cut of the outer shell, an additional maximum 3 1/2" of dead airspace/ "loft" depending on its proximity to pressure points &c. for a grand total of 4"? Am I seeing this correctly in my minds eye?
    That's the way I am picturing it as well.
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    There is no differential cut... not that I can tell. I did post a picture...



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    even with a Diff cut it's not loft... loft is a By-product of down
    1/2 inch thick Synth insulation will not give you anymore then what it is...1/2 inch .. so the rest would be just the ripstop sagging and that will have NO insulation value Ripstop does not hold heat like insulation will there is no way around it

    from following the other thread and now reading this one i feel like we are beating a dead horse i'm not trying to be rude but.....
    we never got any answers to our questions and when he does respond he mocks us by talking in 3rd person

    "User loft is up to 4" in areas. In areas of pressure, the loft can decline greatly. This is the reason, you may have some cold spots using our quilts. To eliminate the cold spot, you will need to move and move the pressure/ squashed area. "
    this is a quote from the other thread by d-p ..
    now he is telling us a friend told him it looks like it has 4 inch of loft on the ends... so what is it?
    to me he just sounds lost....
    It puts the Underquilt on it's hammock ... It does this whenever it gets cold

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    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by G.L.P. View Post

    ... i feel like we are beating a dead horse....
    to me he just sounds lost....
    +1
    I can't agree more

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    Exclamation

    Have not posted here a lot, but have frequented many forums. If I were a Mod, I'd close this sucker down right-quick (based off what I saw earlier and lack of validity towards his claims). Kinda feels like sharing the bar with a "Flat-Earther"....

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