Webbing Scrunching in Carabiners

**Flynnster** · 05-22-2011, 23:37

So I finally set my hammock up and am loving it, but there is something that I noticed, not sure if it is a problem. My one inch webbing gets scrunched up at the biner because the biner is too small to let it lay flat. Is this going to cause any problems with strength?

Thanks all!

Edit: I am using the carabiner that came with my ENO double, and using the descending ring method, biner at the tree.

**Bubba** · 05-22-2011, 23:59

No problem with that. I haven't had a problem so far when I have used biners. Wear and fraying are more of a concern. Consider picking up some Dutch clips if you want a smaller, lighter and no scrunching alternative.

**Flynnster** · 05-24-2011, 22:28

If I were to go for some lighter biners, any specific styles I should stay away from? In relation to the way they close, like the difference in these two.

http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/sho...8_10000001_-1_
http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/sho...8_10000001_-1_

(random chosen, not ones I'm looking at)

**Bubba** · 05-24-2011, 22:36

The kind of gate doesn't matter. With climbing biners its about weight. People here that backpack choose light weight options like the Dutch Clips I mentioned but if weight is not an issue, then any climbing biner will work.

**Knotty** · 05-25-2011, 00:33

The CAMP Nano is the lightest climbing rated biner commonly available. Works great. That said, I also do like Dutch Clips.

**SpaceCadet** · 05-25-2011, 05:14

My tree straps scrunch in my Dutch clip when I put weight in my hammock. They are actually starting to fray where it contacts. I've started just feeding one end of the strap through the loop on the other end.

**shlabbo** · 05-25-2011, 11:37

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

My tree straps scrunch in my Dutch clip when I put weight in my hammock. They are actually starting to fray where it contacts. I've started just feeding one end of the strap through the loop on the other end.

I have done this too, but a word of caution. I was using polypro webbing and fed the end through the sewn loop. I guess I didn't have the strap square around the tree and all the way snug. When I placed weight in the hammock the strap shifted on the tree and there was some slip where the strap feeds through the sewn loop. There was enough friction to slightly melt the straps together.

**Randy** · 05-25-2011, 11:50

I have been using the web suspension and beeners since 2009, scrunched, wet or dry,, with CAM LOCKS and have not had any issue at all. Others do not like the cam locks but I do.....

**kayak karl** · 05-25-2011, 12:07

some days I get my webbing in a bunch

it'll be OK

**Catavarie** · 05-25-2011, 12:11

Originally Posted by shlabbo

I have done this too, but a word of caution. I was using polypro webbing and fed the end through the sewn loop. I guess I didn't have the strap square around the tree and all the way snug. When I placed weight in the hammock the strap shifted on the tree and there was some slip where the strap feeds through the sewn loop. There was enough friction to slightly melt the straps together.

Couldn't you wrap the strap around the tree a full turn before passing through the loop to prevent this by equalizing the pressure of the strap around the entire tree instead of just on side?

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

My tree straps scrunch in my Dutch clip when I put weight in my hammock. They are actually starting to fray where it contacts. I've started just feeding one end of the strap through the loop on the other end.

Did you let Dutch know about this? Could be a manufacturing defect he would like to know of. I remember him writing on here that the edges weren't suppose to be sharp enough to cut into straps.