For any of you ENO fans out there that bought the regular slapstraps and, like myself, were very disappointed in how short they were, fret no more! I ordered a 40 foot piece of 1/8" amsteel and made two whoopie's out of it. I guessed them each to be right around 8' after tying knots and burying. Now, along with my slapstraps as tree straps, and still using the same ENO carabiner, I can span a distance of 37 feet between two trees, with room to spare. I probly won't ever span that much distance cause it took every bit of my 6'4" height to get the straps high enough on the tree, but it worked great and I am more than happy with my setup now.