Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 27
  1. #1
    Senior Member GrizzlyAdams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Illinois
    Hammock
    GrizzBridge Ariel
    Tarp
    HG Cuben Winter
    Insulation
    DIY UQ
    Posts
    4,777
    Images
    564

    BUQ (Bridge Under Quilt)

    I've been inspired by the underquilts display by HF members to make one myself, for warmer weather. It took way longer than I imagined, but it's done. It's 3/4 length, with a differential cut between the layer next to the hammock body and the outer layer. Thus, like the Snugfit or others that HF members have constructed, you can't get compression of the insulation when in use. I borrowed lots of great ideas talked about in HF. This is truly a product of the HF collective wisdom.

    My objectives are low weight and high compression. Both of these argue for a down quilt. I figured I could take advantage of a couple of features of my bridge hammock to reduce the weight over that of a commercial quilt. The quilt I just made weighs 10 oz; I compare that with 20 oz for a JRB Nest and 16 oz for a JRB Stealth (both of which I own). I have some momentum-90 for my next one, that will bring the weight down further. I started off on this one as a practice version using some 1.1 DWR I have. The practice version turned into a real version along the way, as I realized how long it was taking. Lots and lots and lots of measuring and pinning involved here!

    First, an underquilt for a bridge hammock can be narrower than those for other hammocks, there are no diagonals involved (I imagine the same is true for Claytor and Clarks, since the approach I read about most often is to lie centered). Second, I can attach the quilt to flat-fell seams on the side of my hammock body, and dispense with suspension cord. The way I do this I'm not saving weight, but its a clean solution to attaching the quilt that I wanted to try out.

    I did the math on whether a relatively thin quilt with baffles would be lighter or heavier than one with sewn through seams. The comparison depends on all kinds of factors, but for my intended dimensions it was pretty much a wash. So a sewn-through version should be a little easier, and that's what I went with.

    I worked backwards from the down I have. A couple of bags from Speer, each 3.1 oz of 900 fill. I looked to see how much down the Jack's various quilts have, and noted that the Stealth (a quilt I own) has 6 oz of down, and 1.5" loft. Since I was aiming towards a half or 3/4 UQ, I figured one bag of down would be about one half of a Stealth, and that's what I'd go with.

    Next I figured on width of the quilt. The seams on my hammock body are 36" apart. I wanted a couple of inches on each side for suspension reasons (about which more, anon), so the width of the down-filled part would be 32".
    I figured that 1.5" height for the Stealth was a pretty good guide of how much loft I wanted, and after some futzing with numbers settled on 48" length. This gives 32x48x1.5 = 2304 cubic inches of volume if I were to be using baffles. 3.1 oz of 900 fill down expands to 2790 cubic inches, so by going to 48" I'd get about 20% overfill. Close enough.

    Next choice was number of chambers. This is a differential cut to be sewn through, which means that the top (outside) piece is wider than then bottom piece. All the space for the down to loft in would be created by the difference in width between the top and bottom pieces in a chamber. Now when you think about it, you see that the more chambers you use for a given desired volume, the wider the top piece has to be, because with every chamber you bring the top piece height to the height of the bottom piece; said differently, the top piece makes the walls of the chambers, so the more chambers you have, the more walls you have, and the wider the top piece has to be.

    Six was a good point for balancing the need to be able to get my hand in there when stuffing, evenly distribute the down, and manage the amount of extra fabric I'll get on the top piece of fabric. That means that the bottom of a chamber is 32"/6 = 5 1/3" wide. Aiming for a volume of 2304 cubic inches, it also means that each chamber is 2304/6 = 384 cubic inches.

    The next problem is to decide how much fabric should go on the top part of the chamber in order to get 384 sq inches. This is really a two dimensional problem.... if I consider the cross-section of a chamber, I'm deciding on the length of fabric that should be above 5.3333" in order to get a cross-sectional area of 384 cubic inches / 48 inches (length) = 8 sq inches. If the shape of a chamber could be a rectangular slab, then to get 8 sq inches with a 5.333" base I'd need two sides, each 8/5.333" in height, with the length of fabric of the top piece being 2*(8/5.333)+ 5.3333 to account for the two sides and the top. But the shape won't be a rectangular slab, it will be some shape that the expanding down defines. What shape should that be????

    For a variety of reasons I thought that the top piece of a chamber would be essentially radial (part of a circle), and wrote a program to figure out the details. In discussion with Schneiderlein in another thread, he floated the idea of using a parabola rather than a circle. I tried that also, and it works out to be pretty close. I'll spare you the math, in the end I used 7.25 inches for the top part of the chamber. That means that (excluding seam allowances) the width of the top piece would be 6*7.25 = 43.5 inches.

    On the head and foot ends of both pieces I alloted 1.5" inch seam allowance for a 0.5" roll hem. On the sides I added more---2"---because there I'm going to do a flat-fell seam to work in another piece for the suspension.

    Here's a picture of the quilt during construction, with the sewn-through seams. You can see the extra material of the top (black) part.



    Now to close the end I fold in the edges of the top piece on the sides, essentially aligning the middle 5.333" of the top piece with the bottom piece.
    Here are the folds pinned in.



    Now Dutch is a smart and observant guy, and if I didn't mention the next thing he'd ask about it. There's a black piece of fabric under the green one. What gives??? On both ends I attached a narrow piece of black fabric so that when I do this roll, two things happen. One is that the unevenness of how my pieces came together is hidden, the other is to make the roll black, not green.

    So now I've hinted a couple of times about a "suspension" piece on the side. It is micro-mesh spandex, like the Snugfit uses. I don't really intend that it be an integral part of pulling up the UQ to the hammock like the Snugfit---that's actually not needed on a bridge. Rather, since I'm going to directly attach the UQ to the hammock body, I wanted something on the UQ to "give" to allow for errors in my measurements, and stretching of the hammock body. So I've taken a doubled over piece of the micro mesh (6"), the ends of which go into a flat fell seam with the edge of the UQ (which takes up 1"). When finished and laid out, the distance between the outside edge of the micro-mesh on one side and the other is 36". I finally edged the outside of the micro-mesh with bias tape. Then on the bias tape, at 1' intervals, I sewed a hook. At the corresponding point on the hammock body seam I sewed a loop. This is an idea that Dutch introduced me to, and I've been waiting for a chance to use it. I was really happy that I could use the machine to do a bar tack to attach these things, because there are 10 pairs of them!!



    Here's some shots of the finished product on the ground.





    And in the air



    It is snugged up uniformly on the hammock side as I'd hoped. I'm going take it out for a test sleep tonight (temps in the mid-30's).

    Grizz
    Last edited by GrizzlyAdams; 04-05-2008 at 16:35. Reason: clean-up

  2. #2
    Senior Member hangnout's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Monterey, TN
    Hammock
    DIY Bridge
    Tarp
    DIY Tarps
    Insulation
    Leigh's UQ's
    Posts
    1,917
    Images
    123
    Great looking quilt! The differential cut really makes hanging the quilt easy.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Columbia, SC
    Posts
    631
    Images
    11
    Great looking quilt! I really like the suspension system. What is the weight per square yard of the micro-spandex?

    Did you get all that loft just from 3.1oz of down? It looks like it's 2.5".

    Enjoy your first night out with it tonight!

  4. #4
    Senior Member FanaticFringer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Lawrenceville, Ga
    Hammock
    JRB Bear Mtn. Bridge
    Tarp
    BlackCat/JRB 11x10
    Insulation
    Pad(s)/JRB Quilts
    Posts
    2,417
    Images
    34
    Really nice lookin quilt Grizz......and to think you could not even sew several months ago. Great job.
    "Every day above ground is a good day"

  5. #5
    slowhike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Hammock
    DIY, gathered end , w/ spreader
    Tarp
    JRB Universal
    Insulation
    DAM/ HG Incubator
    Suspension
    Webbing and rings
    Posts
    11,679
    Images
    319
    nice job grizz! that's got to be a lot of warmth for the weight.
    I too will something make and joy in it's making

  6. #6
    Dutch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Reinholds, PA
    Hammock
    Bridgeskin
    Tarp
    DIY Blackcat
    Insulation
    DIY Quilts
    Suspension
    Whoopie sling
    Posts
    9,560
    Images
    201
    Hey Grizz I have been waiting to see your next quilt. Looking great. Here are the ?s.

    Are you happy with the sewn through baffles and do you get any air though them? I imagine since it has to take the U shape of the hammock there isn't the overlapping of the overstuffed baffles.

    Where did you get the micro spandex?

    Is 32" wide enough? I think I was looking at 40 for a minimum. Did your shoulders get cold. Was the location of the flat feld seem the limiting factor?

    I can't wait to see it at MAHHA. I have been thinking about differential baffles lately and I think I came up with an easy way of making them so they aren't sewn through. I have to do some experimenting first. I have really had quilts on the brain lately.
    Peace Dutch
    GA>ME 2003

    www.MakeYourGear.com
    http://dutchwaregear.com[/URL]
    Visit Dutchwaregear on facebook (and like it)
    Check us out on Twitter @dutchwaregear

  7. #7
    Senior Member headchange4u's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Kentucky
    Hammock
    Dual Layer WB Blackbird
    Tarp
    OES Cuben
    Insulation
    SnugFit
    Posts
    6,249
    Images
    35
    That's a pretty impressive piece of gear, Grizz. Congrats.
    “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it." -Terry Pratchett



    Premium Quality, Fresh Roasted Coffee
    www.meancatcoffee.com

  8. #8
    slowhike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Winston-Salem, NC
    Hammock
    DIY, gathered end , w/ spreader
    Tarp
    JRB Universal
    Insulation
    DAM/ HG Incubator
    Suspension
    Webbing and rings
    Posts
    11,679
    Images
    319
    i posted this drawing a while back. it's the plan i haven't put into action yet for a down quilt.
    http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery...5/PB300117.JPG
    i got those measurements by cutting a string the same length as the width i wanted the inner liner, then laying it on a table in a "U" shape & adding a second string to roughly represent the outer shell.
    then used a sewing tape measure to decide on the final measurements.
    I too will something make and joy in it's making

  9. #9
    Senior Member GrizzlyAdams's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Illinois
    Hammock
    GrizzBridge Ariel
    Tarp
    HG Cuben Winter
    Insulation
    DIY UQ
    Posts
    4,777
    Images
    564
    Quote Originally Posted by Schneiderlein View Post
    Great looking quilt! I really like the suspension system. What is the weight per square yard of the micro-spandex?

    Did you get all that loft just from 3.1oz of down? It looks like it's 2.5".

    Enjoy your first night out with it tonight!
    weighs out to be about 2.75 oz / sq yd.
    Yes, that's only one bag of Speer down in there. This is the first time I've stuffed a bag (I used and appreciated your suggestion to fill smaller zip-locks, btw) and I wasn't sure the the small bag that was shipped was going to fill all that space in the quilt. For the given volume the parabola model predicts a height of 2.25 inches at the peak (and the radial model predicts a height of 2 inches). It is clear from the pictures that neither is spot on, but it does explain why the height is significantly higher than the 1.5 inches height you'd have with baffles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Hey Grizz I have been waiting to see your next quilt. Looking great. Here are the ?s.

    Are you happy with the sewn through baffles and do you get any air though them? I imagine since it has to take the U shape of the hammock there isn't the overlapping of the overstuffed baffles.
    I was out in the hammock to upper 30's last night. Did not get any cold spots, and while I usually wear a montbell thermawrap jacket in such temps, I stripped down to a T shirt so that I could feel cold spots if they were there. Nope.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Where did you get the micro spandex?
    Here.
    In the "Micro Mesh Spandex" category.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Is 32" wide enough? I think I was looking at 40 for a minimum. Did your shoulders get cold. Was the location of the flat feld seem the limiting factor?
    Yes. Laying in the hammock the edge of the quilt is still 2-3 inches above my shoulders. Laying centered in the hammock as you do in a bridge means that the quilt will always be above you. It just covers my knees when I curl up on my side. I got to 32" by working backwards from the 36" width between flat-fell seams, and the objective of having enough spandex to give me some pull if needed. I did some measurements in the hammock before committing though, just to convince myself 32" would be wide enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I can't wait to see it at MAHHA. I have been thinking about differential baffles lately and I think I came up with an easy way of making them so they aren't sewn through. I have to do some experimenting first. I have really had quilts on the brain lately.
    My buddy and I will be pulling in around dinner time Friday I think. He needs a trail name, I suggest "Curly".

    See you there


    Quote Originally Posted by slowhike View Post
    i posted this drawing a while back. it's the plan i haven't put into action yet for a down quilt.
    http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery...5/PB300117.JPG
    i got those measurements by cutting a string the same length as the width i wanted the inner liner, then laying it on a table in a "U" shape & adding a second string to roughly represent the outer shell.
    then used a sewing tape measure to decide on the final measurements.
    One of the interesting things about this design is that the chambers are different sizes, depending on position on the quilt. I left my chambers all the same size, but did put a little more down in chambers on the bottom than on the top edges. This was more a function of the way I weighed the down out than a scientific design. I filled smaller bags to meet target weights, but didn't tinker with what was in the bag once I was "close". So with the variance I used the heavier bags on the bottom and the lighter bags on the sides.


    But your method of measuring reminds me of a fun math puzzle: Imagine a string that encompasses the earth, around the equator. This is in mathimagic land, so the string forms a perfect circle. Now cut the string, and add exactly 1 foot more of length to it by tying another piece in. Imagine now that that longer string can be suspended evenly all the way around the circumference, just sort of floating above the equator. How high off the ground is it?

    Grizz
    Last edited by GrizzlyAdams; 04-06-2008 at 08:47. Reason: figured out the predicted peak height of the quilt

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Doraville, GA
    Posts
    946
    Images
    23
    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    But your method of measuring reminds me of a fun math puzzle: Imagine a string that encompasses the earth, around the equator. This is in mathimagic land, so the string forms a perfect circle. Now cut the string, and add exactly 1 foot more of length to it by tying another piece in. Imagine now that that longer string can be suspended evenly all the way around the circumference, just sort of floating above the equator. How high off the ground is it?

    Grizz
    1.9 inches?
    Youngblood AT2000

  • + New Posts
  • Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

    Similar Threads

    1. TN>Land Between the Lakes>Bridge to Bridge
      By MedicineMan in forum Trip Reports
      Replies: 34
      Last Post: 12-07-2013, 11:18
    2. Replies: 9
      Last Post: 07-21-2013, 15:19
    3. Bridge makers: made a cot like summer bridge?
      By Paprika bohlmann in forum Do-It-Yourself (DIY)
      Replies: 5
      Last Post: 02-02-2012, 19:53
    4. Bridge Under Pad Sleeves and Bridge Under Quilt
      By TeeDee in forum Do-It-Yourself (DIY)
      Replies: 13
      Last Post: 04-27-2009, 14:20
    5. Under Quilt on a Bridge, tip
      By Mule in forum Under Quilts
      Replies: 13
      Last Post: 11-24-2008, 19:35

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •