27 degrees and CBS???

[lowclass]

Okay so I finaly got a chance to use my storm crow custom winter UQ AND TQ both with 3 extra onces of down, a Alps zero degree down bag and themal under wear tops and bottoms and ended up with a case of CBS and can't figure out why. The UQ was snug against my back side with no air gaps and the head and foot end tight to the hammock, I also had a nice tarp with the ends closed down. The rest of my body was warm but not as hot as I thought it'd be. I slid a hand warmer between my thighs mid way through the night and the CBS went away for a few hours. Am I doing something wrong, do I need a pad at below freezing? I had givin my rig a air math guesstimation rating of atleast zero degree comfort but a little concerned to go out again in three weeks to a location I know will be single digets hints advice?

Oh the hammock was an eno double nest deluxe couldn't fit my clark nx-250 in my new pack got a REI 85xt to try and go UL... My load out dropped to 53.6lbs I think I did something wrong there but I honesty took all the gear out I could... I think going dehydrated food will drop a few more pounds, either off of me or off my pack maybe both

[Bannerstone]

It's a sure bet with that setup that you've got a gap somewhere. Get a friend to help you find it while you're laying in the hammock. Keep at it, once you get the UQ dialed in you'll be fine and you really don't need that Alps bag. I find Stormcrows gear is good for temps colder than the rating.

David

[Dblcorona]

Was there someone to check out the uq while you where in it? Makes a world of difference. May have had a small air gap that caused it.

[lowclass]

It was a solo hike, no one I hike with hasgear that can get them below 40, my father it threatening DIY a winter UQ and a few friends "if you can call a ground dweller that" say they're gonna try and gear up for colder hikes.I willhaveto try settingup at home and. See ifsomeone can spot the air gap, and yes I thought the alps bag. was over kill butafter the cbs am extremely happy I brought it... I was amussed that there was about 16 inches of puffy down above me in the hammock I couldn't see anything bellow my neck except my TQ. Thanks I'll look for air gaps.

[HomeMadeHiker]

when all else fails cinch cinch cinch. The gear your describing should take you to the artic and back. If you can't get an extra pair of eyes just cinch the living heck out of the end channels and or move the quilt a few inches in either direction to find where you get the best seal. You'll be able to feel the difference rather quickly.

[lowclass]

I've always been a warm sleeper and the gearwas rated for well below what I was at I'm also thinking it may have been the eno, the gap Ihadit set up was only about 10 foot tree to tree and the hang was... not as comfortable as I'm used to, the hammock... creassed? In the middle by my calves so I cinched the top tight but. Probly should have gone tighter. I'm thinking of ordering a black bird double layer so I can throw a thin pad under me and realy get to some low temps. And maybe try the water bottle trick.

[wisenber]

what I was at I'm also thinking it may have been the eno, the gap Ihadit set up was only about 10 foot tree to tree and the hang was...

That hammock is 9'10" long. If you only had ten feet between the trees and did anything but nail the hammock body to the trees, you probably had too much sag to make the UQ wrap correctly under the hammock. If the hammock has enough distance between trees, the UQ should be ably to be suspended snug enough to resolve about all of the other issues you mentioned. Combine only having ten feet between trees with the DoubleNest being 6'8" wide, and it would be nearly impossible to get a good fit with any UQ.

[BillyBob58]

This really is a common problem for folks with various UQs going through the learning curve. I have really not experienced such problems, other than fairly quickly realizing I had to cinch my WB synthetic Yeti (the original) tighter than I thought I would, and making sure it was correctly positioned at my neck/shoulders. Same with my JRB MWs, just got them snug enough from the beginning and no problems. Plus if those are attached per JRB directions to the JRB BMBH there is no adjustment to fiddle with, it is automatically correct. And with a HHSS or PeaPod there is not much to adjust, if you have the HH tie outs through the HH pad and UC loops. And as long as the PeaPod is not pulled obviously to tight so that the down is compressed too much.

But can't help but notice how often this problem shows up here. Maybe there is a need for more complete directions with UQs, to avoid CBS 1st night out? Or maybe directions are adequate and just not studied enough?

Oh well, you will get it soon. Cold air is getting under you some how. But I don't think you are too tight and compressing down. Because these are dif cut quilts, right? So just get it tight enough, probably a good bit tighter than you would think. With my WB, it lifts the hammock 2 or 3 feet in the center before I get in. And make sure the quilt is positioned correctly relative to your head, not sure what that would be with this brand quilt.

Funny how- of those I have used - only the PeaPod ( and maybe the HHSS) is opposite of that. I start with a gap of 4-8" between the pod and hammock before I get in. Then the hammock sags more than the pod, so that the pod is just contacting my back once I am inside. But, the pod has no elastic shock cord suspension, just nylon cords and Velcro.

[Bic]

I know air gaps are a likely culprit, but if you cinch it up too tight dont you run the risk of compressing the down? I had my 0* incubator out yesterday at 25* with nothing but long underwear on and I was toasty warm.

[Hooch]

Sounds to me like you had too much extraneous crap in the hamock with you, a simple case of overkill gone wrong. With a 0* rated UQ and TQ you should have been plenty toasty at 27*, even if you were a cold sleeper. Try it with just the TQ and UQ and any clothing you would normally wear. Don't forget a nice warm hat.