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    Quote Originally Posted by GrizzlyAdams View Post
    nice writeup HC4U. You're making good use of your new camera!

    I have recent experience using the clove hitch to position an SMC ring on 3mm Vectran, for the hardware-assisted trucker's hitch. I'm finding that it tightens up very hard. I've been able to undo the clove hitches, but only with great effort and with risk to fingernails, or cord if I need to use a hard blade to try and loosen things up.

    I have better success with looping the line around the ring about 4 times, with the second pass also looping back around the strand coming in to the ring the first time. I know this needs a picture, maybe I can take one on Monday. I'm on the road again (no surprise).

    Grizz
    I've been really putting that camera to use. I got some really good pics of the Cicada infestation we got going on in Kentucky right now that I will be posting some pics to the Member's Lounge in the next few days.

    When I got up the morning after sleeping in the hammock with this setup, one of the first things I did was to try and undo the clove hitch. You are right that it does tend to seat itself very well. I tried picking it apart with my fingers to get it loose, and it worked, but I had better luck holding the line on each side of the ring, just before and after the clove hitch, and pushing the the line together and wiggling it at the same time. The CH came loose much easier that way. I know that explanation is as clear as mud so I will try and get pics of what I am talking about.

    I would also like to see the pics of your method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by headchange4u View Post
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    When I got up the morning after sleeping in the hammock with this setup, one of the first things I did was to try and undo the clove hitch. You are right that it does tend to seat itself very well. I tried picking it apart with my fingers to get it loose, and it worked, but I had better luck holding the line on each side of the ring, just before and after the clove hitch, and pushing the the line together and wiggling it at the same time. The CH came loose much easier that way. I know that explanation is as clear as mud so I will try and get pics of what I am talking about.

    I would also like to see the pics of your method.
    Two ways. The most complicated first. Do a couple of wraps around the ring.
    ring-wrap-1.jpg

    Now double back around the standing line.
    ring-wrap-2.jpg

    Continue the wrap a couple of more times and you're done.
    ring-wrap-3.jpg

    The back loop around the standing end helps to keep the ring from slipping along the rope under tension. One the one hand, a ring put here this way doesn't move much when not under tension. On the other hand it doesn't slip along the rope so easily when loosened up, e.g., to adjust your ridgeline.

    In my mind a better way...for my purposes with the trucker's hitch anyway, is to simply wrap the line around the ring 4 or 5 times.
    ring-wrap-4.jpg

    It does not move under tension, and is easy to loosen and move when not under tension. Neither of these methods jam. Can't happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    Inexperience speaking here.
    I like the simplicity of this arrangement and wonder whether it could be made even simpler with a Speer type hammock. The picture in my mind consists of:
    1. Accordianate the end of the hammock as you would before tying Ed Speer's overhand knot, and clamping it temporarily with one or more large binder clips.
    2. Pass the accordianated hammock end through the ring and back on itself.
    3. Whip the overlap as tightly as you can for two or three inches.

    Would the hammock likely slip out of the whipping? If it tended to, is there a way of making it more secure?
    Here's a mod that will work. Youngblood has educated some of us on whipping the the end just by using a double sheetbend knot. That involves doubling back the folded hammock end as the larger of the two "ropes" being joined in that knot. If the other cord is short and tied closely to a ring, then that effectively does what you suggest, but without the uncertainty.

    Grizz

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