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    Senior Member J.Andersons's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikemaulmaster View Post
    MSR groundhog's get my vote. Heavy? Yes. Tough? Indeed. In a rush to get my tarp up on a cold, windy night I became very frustrated not being able to drive my last peg. Thinking i was hitting a rock or other buried something or other, I grabbed the biggest, nastiest rock I could find and proceded to beat the snot out of it. Thinking to myself that the peg would work around whatever it was or said object would displace in the soil. I eventually got it driven and had a great night in the ole' HH.

    The next morning I realized I had spent my time driving my stake into a 6" diameter root! Believe me it was much, much harder to yank that sucker out! When it did finally come free, there was essentially zero damage other than some scuffing of the pretty red anodizing. That rock was in the 8-10lb range and the root was a toughie. A winner in my book!
    After this post MSR groundhogs are writen in my notepad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shnick View Post
    I use 1/2" dia rebar about 12" long
    Those and the 3 lb mini sledge i carry never has a problem with rocks...
    Shnick
    So, what's your total pack weight on that setup? I no longer feel like a "pound hog!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikemaulmaster View Post
    Gotta add that as many of you have said, I often use 1-2 or 0 pegs because I can usually tie off to trees, roots etc. Craftiness seems to shed pounds faster than $$$ sometimes.
    Work smart not hard! If there's not sticks or other trees around to tie off to than you might have more problems than just that, like maybe finding a spot for a hammock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootCause View Post
    So, what's your total pack weight on that setup? I no longer feel like a "pound hog!"
    LOL
    Had you replied to that post on 1 April, I'd have said April Fool's Day!

    But truth be told, I fell asleep on the couch...

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    I've been using Al shepherds hooks for a good while, but like many, I usually end up bending a few each trip. I take at least 4 per trip just in case the weather turns ugly and I'm too lazy to make some on site. So a few weeks ago I noticed WallyWorld sold a facsimilie of the MSR Groundhog 4 for $3. Don't know how they'll do but I'll post the results when they're in.
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    Interesting thread......I "lost" my stakes at the last NEHHA two weeks ago (found them again misplaced in the bottom of my pack when breaking camp down), so I MADE some from tree branches to use. I generally use ten - 8 for my Superfly with doors, and 2 for the WBBB tie-outs. Was fun carving them using my hatchet and a bushcrafting knife. They worked just fine in the duff of Boreal forest in New England.

    I left them there in a neat pile for the next campers through. Especially once I located my stake bag! LOL!

    I am thinking that for an extended backpacking trip, the stakes may not be necessary at all after this experience! Just carve em up! One advantage would be to manufacture longer ones for the softer ground, and flatter ones for beter 'holding power'.

    Disadvantage would be setting-up in the rain, so that might be a decision point to take them or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Andersons View Post
    After this post MSR groundhogs are writen in my notepad.
    I replace every stake of anything I get with groundhogs. I beat the crap out of them, driven them through the stone surface hardpan at the MD state campgrounds (really made to back an RV into), with everything from a hammer to rock to lumber laying about. I've tied them and use them as deadmen bury stakes in sand and snow both, used them as an impromptu trowel and pot lifter. I wouldn't think of anything else, really.

    Need to get them out of your notepad, and try them. You'll be hooked.

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    I'll look for them in local shops.
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    MSR Groundhogs rock, as do the Easton Aluminum stakes - I use both. I have more Easton than MSRs, but that may change soon. Most plastic stakes are a joke, and not worth considering. But these two really do the jobs they were designed for, with a very little weight penalty!

    One note:: After having left several behind in the woods a few times, I am painting them bright blue. Studies have shown that that color catches the human eye quickest in the woods, as it rarely occurs in nature, unlike the red of the MSRs, or even the gold of the Easton stakes. Bright blue it will be. Hopefully save some lost stakes!

    ~ Sky
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    Thanks for all the great info here
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