Grizz Beak to the Nth degree

[oldgringo]

Something tells me ZQ is gonna be a busy, busy girl.

Do you remember which stove had the hot eye?

[hppyfngy]

Everything held together very well. There were a couple times when a gust of wind would hit
the tarp from the side and the Vestibule overlap to tarp would separate about 4 inches and wind
would come rushing in. Not sure if this could be fix other than sewing the vestibule to the tarp.

Wonder if a couple of velcro tabs along the edge would remedy that? Couldn't hurt.

[2Questions]

Something tells me ZQ is gonna be a busy, busy girl.

Too late! I'm already one busy, busy girl!

After OutandBack gets a chance to do some comparison testing between the sizes of the standard Grizz Beak and the Nth Degree Grizz Beak, we might consider adding a smaller version of the Nth Degree to the website that would fit the more common size tarps. The benefits of a sewn shut beak might appeal to some. ZQ

[Doody]

Aluminum stakes conduct heat very well. I couple seconds with the butane lighter and they slide right out. (Take of all the lines first)

[OutandBack]

Something tells me ZQ is gonna be a busy, busy girl.

Do you remember which stove had the hot eye?

Sorry OG, I had all the stove sites bookmarked but dumped them once I made my purchase.

Wonder if a couple of velcro tabs along the edge would remedy that? Couldn't hurt.

Yes that might work. Would probably have to reinforce the area like a panel pull has. tarp syl is pretty darn thin.
Thank you for the suggestion. Once I install the 3 pole which I hope will support that area I'll do another wind test.
If I still get separation I migh go with velcro tabs.

Aluminum stakes conduct heat very well. I couple seconds with the butane lighter and they slide right out. (Take of all the lines first)

NIce tip thank you I'll have to try that.
Maybe even go a little hotter with this.

[MedicineMan]

O&B,
Just now catching this thread-super impressive and I agree that putting the pieces of the puzzle together via interacting with the vendors and your vision is priceless when it all comes together.
When I first saw the pole mod applied to the GrizzBeaks I grinned from ear to ear.
I do have an question on the pole mods used in the tarp....a curiosity question. Why did you go 'tent' like in the 'v' shape and not arching like most pole mods I've seen....I did try to read the entire thread so apologies if this has been asked/answered.
The stove in the tarp concept is very attractive to me in the theoretical sense but I'm like the poster from NC rarely seeing the kind of weather you do.
All in all a wonderful thread of dreams becoming reality. Congratulations to you and all those involved in the process.

[OutandBack]

O&B,
Just now catching this thread-super impressive and I agree that putting the pieces of the puzzle together via interacting with the vendors and your vision is priceless when it all comes together.
When I first saw the pole mod applied to the GrizzBeaks I grinned from ear to ear.
I do have an question on the pole mods used in the tarp....a curiosity question. Why did you go 'tent' like in the 'v' shape and not arching like most pole mods I've seen....I did try to read the entire thread so apologies if this has been asked/answered.
The stove in the tarp concept is very attractive to me in the theoretical sense but I'm like the poster from NC rarely seeing the kind of weather you do.
All in all a wonderful thread of dreams becoming reality. Congratulations to you and all those involved in the process.

Hi MM,
Thank you for the kind word to me an the HF vendor's that really made this work.

No apologies necessary on your question.
I don't believe it has been asked and it is a major component of this design.
I hope you don't mind the long answer?
It's the perfect question for me to offer up a summary of how I got here.

Several weeks back when Colorado was getting heavy snows
(my favorite time to go out and winter hang) I was in my backyard experimenting to find the best pitch for a winter tarp that would (hopefully) self clear.

Since I am a heavy sleeper and the current method for clearing a tarp is to periodically wake up and tap the tarp thru the night to clear the snow load.
This method was not going to work for me.

This was my test site. Tree to Tree 12'RL x 10' wide silnylon tarp with std grizz beak doors.



I tried several angles.

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I even tested the panel pullouts with grave results


RL failure



My conclusion was if I go with a pitch angle any more than 90 degree's the snow would not clear/fall off by itself.

Basically the steeper the angle the better. As all would expect.
However I needed to see it for myself.



The woodstove also adds its requirements.
1- a space away from your hammock and other gear
2- semi seal environment
3- the vestibule must be supported from all angles to reduce movement in the wind.
Silnylon will melt (not burn) the second it touches a hot stove pipe. Yep I tested that to.
I have a place on my stove pipe that's kinda ugly now, haha

The tarp should be sealed as much as possible to try and hold the heat.
That means the walls need to be staked down to the ground or snow built up to fill in the gap
and of course the ends of the tarp needs to be closed.

My first experiment was with a trusty 2QZQ std Grizz Beak modified with a silpad stove jack.



Snow was piled up near the 12x10 tarp edges to close the gap and seal the interior.



Once I found this concept worked I contacted Tim (2Q) and the Nth Degree GrizzBeak design started for my larger 12x14 OES built winter tarp.

I first wanted Donna(ZQ) to sew 4 panel pulls in these location.
Jacks or Better Grip Clips were used to determine best location for panel pulls.



Tim, suggested a pole mod.
We then discussed my snow load experiments and issues with the current pole mod's out there and
it was decided the std pole mod would not work for me. Then Tim found some 90 degree connectors
and we both smiled. In our minds we knew this was going to work.

And the rest of this story starts on page 6 post #56 of this post.
I don't expect other to want to build one of these since my requirements
are rather unique. This is a winter basecamp, pulled by pulk kit.

Since Donna did mention it a few posts above.
I will add that we are working on a gear vestibule that will fit any 8-10 foot wide tarp.
Basically it will be a larger version of a Grizz Beak with the door sewn shut for max space and wind protection.
It would provide a place to store winter gear, keep wood dry or add a stove jack.

[mbiraman]

Thanks O&B for taking us along.

bill

[Serevince]

Wow, literally blew my mind!

Out of curiosity:

How long of a burn do you get out of the medium stove when you bank it for the night?

Just adding a bit of comfort in and out of the hammock or is it supplementing your insulation through the night?

It seems like there is about 11 months of winter here, so this is really cool (NPI) line of thought.

Thank you

Vince

[OutandBack]

Thanks O&B for taking us along.

bill

Your welcome Bill, Thank you for joining in the discussion.
Hopefully there is a tip or idea in there that some of us that get good snows
can use.

Wow, literally blew my mind!

Out of curiosity:

How long of a burn do you get out of the medium stove when you bank it for the night?

Just adding a bit of comfort in and out of the hammock or is it supplementing your insulation through the night?

It seems like there is about 11 months of winter here, so this is really cool (NPI) line of thought.

Thank you

Vince

Hi Vince,
So far I am just burning between dinner and bed time. Loaded with unsplit 2"
sticks it will burn for about 1.5 hours. We only have Pine, Cedar, Aspen and Cottonwood so no hot and long burning hard woods.
If I pack the stove with Charcoal I get 3 hours of high heat and another 2 hours of low heat.

The woodstove does not supplement my quilts.
I know what you mean about long winters.
I can drive to snow 12 months out of the year.