Since being a member on here, all the usual stuff has made its way onto my tarp and hammock and it works great. Dutch clips, dutch buckles, dutch hooks, tarp flys, ridgline hooks, nacrabiners and Clamcleat line locs.
I've been happy with everything but the clamcleats on the tie-outs. If I'm pitching close to the ground, they need undoing and retieing. They take longer to sort than anything else on my setup.
I like to keep them tied on, but after a recent trip in the wind, they tangled several times and I lost 2 ti pegs to the heather after standing on them.
To me, an ideal system would be having the lines permanently attached to the stakes so losing stakes will no longer ever happen. An ideal system would also be quick attach/release to the tarp end of the tie-outs, light weight, easily adjustable, non snagging and secure. Also, it must work with thin cord.
After some noggin scratching, 2 candidates were apparent to do this; Dutch's fantastic tarp flyz and Clamcleats cl274 micro
So, I bought some cleats and started playing. (FYI, the nylon cleats are 2.6g each)
Today, I rigged my 3.2x3m diy tarp up with 9 x Cl274's and 1 tarp flyz( I only have one left ). I used some new flouro yellow English Braids hollow dyneema in 1mm size(look like 1.5 to me at least) to tie to the stakes with a Snell knot.
My tarp and red stake bag;
Bundle of 10 Mountainfitter ti stakes and dyneema braid. 6 x 6ft center tie outs and 4 x 8ft corners.
My tarp without tangling, dangling lines. (yes I know I can hank them but I never seem to manage it and just stuff them in)
The Tarp flyz
Captive ti stakes
I can see you! No more searching for titanium goodies
The cleats were attached through the rear hole only by a piece of dyneema knotted to form a toggle. They would be better attached with 2 alu countersink pop rivets onto a piece of narrow webbing. I did'nt go to that trouble as I'm just testing it.
To tie out the tarp is simple with these; put stake in ground, hold cleat with one hand, hold line with other, tension, place braid in slot, let go.
To release; pull loose end of line , whilt holding the cleat-it pulls straight out.
The cleats are as quick to hold the braid as i was hoping, its impossible to attach them any quicker without velcro or magnets. If this holds up in testing, it'll be the quickest way ever to attach tie outs.
They grab the line and stay grabbed, but will slip with 20kg of force. Thicker line holds much better, I couldnt get amsteel to slip at all.
The Flyz are obviously much more secure. They are also an improvement on the linelocs, but still no where near as quick and easy to attach, or release.
With thin cord, the Flyz win at present unless theres not much wind. With thicker line, the cleats win hands down. I think the thin cord will quickly wear the groove out, especially if it slips in strong wind.
I think theres mileage in this method and they are all staying on for more rigourous testing later this week when I go camping in the arctic. I'm going to use 4mm nylon line to be safe and if they fail, I can just revert to my old method of evenk knotting them on to the loops.
Apologies if I'm covering old ground but I haven't seen these cleats used like this before and it seems to solve some common problems and speed things up as well.
Any ideas, comments, suggestions and criticisms are welcome as usual
Maybe I'm missing something obvious and I'm trying to solve a problem that could be more easily overcome. There might be a product already being sold that I've missed. I've perused the Clamcleat website and all the other more suitable designs are for thicker lines. The aluminium toothed cleats with side entry are too heavy IMO at 7g each, but will not wear out. They are also made for line that is too fat.
Dutch, if you read this, maybe a modified or redesigned tarp fly would do even better in this application?
Thanks for looking