# Thread: Huggers too short - now what

1. I take a few continous loops of amsteel as other have suggested. Lately, I've been carring an extra set of tree huggers. I use these for my gear hammock/chair. I can also use this set when trees are too big around, too far a part or when I forget and leave my tree straps behind

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2. I've just gotten some 2" wide straps in and was wondering how short I can go. It Seems every time I keep short huggers on the bike I come across a campground with old growth trees. With regard to chain extenders / continuous loops and protecting the tree:

A) How much of the tree needs to be covered by the hugger, and what is the maximum can be covered by the amsteel chain? That is, when does the extender become just a rope around a tree?

B) When do we need to start stuffing extra sticks and tarp stakes under the amsteel to spread the load width-wise on the tree?

C) Regarding PSI: Does the thickness of the hugger make a difference to (A)? For example, given a very large tree that requires the use of chain extensions, can 2" huggers be shorter than 1" huggers because they spread the load laterally?

D) Where is the load distributed on the tree the most, at the sides or the back? Are there pinch points on the sides of the tree? If so, will two *very* short huggers connected by a short chain in the middle work best at protecting the tree? The idea being to spread out the weight at the pinch points on the side of the tree.

3. load is opposite the hammock. The load on the hammock side probably goes to 0 where the hugger is pulling away toward the hammock.

4. Also, which is the preferred method of using huggers with whoopies? Hugger-Chain-Whoopie or Chain-Hugger-Whoopie ? I've attached an image that may explain better what I am asking.

(please excuse the diagram, I draw worse than I spell).

5. The load may be opposite the hammock.

But, visible marks and some abrasion will be on the sides of the tree and where the line is just tangent to the tree, rubbing on the bark as the hammock barely moves during the night. The adhesion of a loaded strap is great enough that the movement is within the strap. But cord is less adhesive and slides on the tree.

That's not theoretical. I've observed it. A big deal? Not for me to argue. Preventable? Easily, with a couple of found sticks or a few grams of a hard, thin, slick plastic stick between the tree and cord.

6. Has anyone used tree strap extenders made from Dynaglide? I have made one, but have not used it yet. Was wondering if anyone has any input on how well it might work.

7. Originally Posted by Country Roads
Has anyone used tree strap extenders made from Dynaglide? I have made one, but have not used it yet. Was wondering if anyone has any input on how well it might work.
Interested in this as well. It should work.

8. If you use amsteel to extend your tree straps, will that damage the tree bark?

9. Originally Posted by Charlie Brew
If you use amsteel to extend your tree straps, will that damage the tree bark?
Depends on how far around the tree the straps go. If you look at
SnoreMachine's drawing the far right shows the strap centered. As long as the straps come out past the tangent point for the addon to close the loop the straps will protect the tree. If the strap is too short to do that you are going to damage the tree. In that case either of the other two methods shown will reduce the damage by confining it to one side while keeping compression low on the back.

10. If this has been asked before then at least I get points for adding to an existing thread.

My question is...

Is it safe to use an Amsteel tree hugger extension with a Ti Dutch Clip?

What I mean is... if the 7/64" Amsteel is passing through the Ti clip on one side instead of the usual webbing... does this matter?

Is the Ti Dutch Clip limited to webbing use only?

To my mind, the forces involved are not that different... but you might have a different answer.