Amsteel Daisy Chain

[VictoriaGuy]

I do think you are confusing etriers and daisy chains though.

Yes, you are correct. I should have checked the URL for the image. (Too many steps for an etrier anyway!)

[VictoriaGuy]

I think one idea behind the Exped eyelet line is that the cordage is large enough/soft enough to use on the tree?

Correction: I just had a (first) look at the Exped line and it comes attached (via 'soft shackle' aka eyelet and stopper knot) to a ~4ft 1" strap with loops on each end.

So, unlike the Exped videos I've seen online, the rope does not pass around the tree....

The Exped eyelet line looks at first glance to be a custom braided construction, not spliced eyes, so perhaps not a good candidate for DIY. Eye loops are about 1" with 2" of solid braid between eyes.

I could post a pic, but doubt that the black cordage would reveal much.

[MDSH]

Almost all knots will degrade your rating by 50 percent. Splicing will only degrade 20 percent. But WOW is splicing overkill in this situation. Amsteel is much stronger then we puny humans, even after we multiply the load Ina suspension. For daisy chains like,this I would go with alpine Butterflys

http://www.animatedknots.com/alpineb...matedknots.com

They are easy to tie and untie and they wont shift when you apply load.

That would work!

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[VictoriaGuy]

For daisy chains like,this I would go with alpine Butterflys

http://www.animatedknots.com/alpineb...matedknots.com

They are easy to tie and untie and they wont shift when you apply load.

[Mouseskowitz]

Almost all knots will degrade your rating by 50 percent. Splicing will only degrade 20 percent. But WOW is splicing overkill in this situation. Amsteel is much stronger then we puny humans, even after we multiply the load Ina suspension. For daisy chains like,this I would go with alpine Butterflys

http://www.animatedknots.com/alpineb...matedknots.com

They are easy to tie and untie and they wont shift when you apply load.

The alpine butterfly is a great knot but I'm guessing you'd only have ~33% of your original strength in amsteel. I'm basing that off of figure 8s and bowlines being in that neighborhood. Take a look at the charts on p17 (p22 of the pdf) of this paper that compare convention rope to amsteel with knots. Amsteel needs a minimum of a 8:1 ratio on bends with 10:1 being recommended. I believe with nylon it's only 3:1.

There is also data in there about different types of slices. Keep in mind that Samson rates Amsteel with an eye splice, hence the reason it retains 100% of the rated strength.

[bruinfan]

so a bunch of cont loops would work then...? i like that idea better then any knots

[VictoriaGuy]

Here's what the Exped eyelet line looks like- the 'eyes' are braided right into the line construction, not just a typical bury, from what I can see.

[riverbirch]

Using Dynaglide to make a daisy-chain with 2 locked Brummel splices every inch, my HH suspension is exquisitely light. It seemed ok when tried in the back yard...no stretch, no breakage. Super fast set up with straps, dutch clips and a carabiners. BUT...will the splices REALLY hold all night, every night? Does anyone know? I am planing a 5 day pack in a couple days and need reassurance.

[geneaut]

Using Dynaglide to make a daisy-chain with 2 locked Brummel splices every inch, my HH suspension is exquisitely light. It seemed ok when tried in the back yard...no stretch, no breakage. Super fast set up with straps, dutch clips and a carabiners. BUT...will the splices REALLY hold all night, every night? Does anyone know? I am planing a 5 day pack in a couple days and need reassurance.

Hang your hammock tonight and load it with weight to about 150% of your weight. Leave it up over night. Check in the morning.

I'd be leery of testing any new system on the trail like that. That's just me though. I also wouldn't use dyna on my suspension, but I'm a pretty stout fella so I stick to Amsteel or muletape.