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    Too heavy on the AT

    I'm doin a thru hike and finding my Blackbird (2lbs) and 20 degree full under quilt (1 lb) is too much. just a sleeping pad and bag in a shelter is around a pound. How can I cut some pounds? anyone up for a trade for a lighter hammock system? I'm in the Shanandoahs right now. Email at ncmtns57 @ gmail.com

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    Senior Member Doctari's Avatar
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    I LOVE my Blackbird. For me it's not the weight (My base weight is under 20 lbs) it's the space taken up in my pack. As it stands, I can carry 6 days of food for me NOW, after the thru hikers appetite kicks in, with me carrying the WBBB, not so much.
    So, my plan is to get, for my long distance hiking, I plan on getting a Skeeter Beeter UL from Grand trunk. Is quite a bit lighter, and takes up less space in my pack. Not quite as comfortable or roomy, but,,,,,,
    Anyway, I can also hang between trees that are closer together, at least on a rain free night as my tarp is WAY long.
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    wow, where did you get a 20 degree bag and pad at 16 oz. or are you comparing to different degrees.
    will you ALWAYS be in a shelter. a tent shares some of the hammock weight.
    break down your tent and hammock stuff for us. maybe we can help.
    "Tenting is equivalent to a bum crawling into a cardboard box, hammocking is an art" KK

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    It's not a good comparison,.... your not counting the weight of the log shelter that may or may not be available, and your not adding up the weight of the mice in your sleeping bag at night from sleeping in a shelter.
    A Blackbird and two quilts may be lighter than a Tarptent, Pad, and sleeping bag, and is certainly lighter than what most of us used to use back in the day.

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    too heavy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crawldaddy View Post
    I'm doin a thru hike and finding my Blackbird (2lbs) and 20 degree full under quilt (1 lb) is too much. just a sleeping pad and bag in a shelter is around a pound. How can I cut some pounds? anyone up for a trade for a lighter hammock system? I'm in the Shanandoahs right now. Email at ncmtns57 @ gmail.com
    Well, don't forget that you have no right to be able to sleep in the shelter if its full. Therefore, you take a shelter, so your comparison of the 1b (I assume each) bag and pad has to include either a hammock shelter, a tent shelter, or a tarp shelter - that is your comparison, not the bag and pad by itself.

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    If you're counting on always staying in a permanent shelter, then the hammock just can't compete on weight because you're not carrying a shelter with you in both scenarios. However, if you are carrying a tent or tarp or something, then the weights can be comparable.

    Tent + fly/tarp + pad + sleeping bag
    vs.
    Hammock + tarp/poncho + uq/pad + tq

    For a 20* rating, a uq/pad at 16 oz doesn't leave much for weight savings, but you can shed weight on the hammock. A BB is an excellent hammock, but it's not the lightest out there. How much do you weigh? Do you need a double layer? Is the bug net a must have? What suspension do you use? What about your tarp?

    Also, I wouldn't recomend forgoing any kind of shelter in your pack since you cannot always count on the permanent shelters. Finally, there is the potential arguement that a few extra ounces are justified in order to wake up feeling refreshed without aches or pains. I personally would carry a 5 pound weight in my pack on top of all my other gear to NOT have to sleep in a shelter, but to each his own.
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    Pursuing it with eager feet
    Until it joins some larger way
    Where many paths and errands meet.
    And whither then? I cannot say."
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    I have a 20deg down bag (REI) which weighs 2.1 lb, and a 20 deg synthetic which weighs 3.5 lbs. From where do you get your under 1 lb bag?
    Your WB has bug protection. How dp you replace that with no weight?
    Sgt Rock has probably the best suggestions for a lightweight set up: see:
    http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=20614

    for details.
    personally. I wouldn't dream of paying that much for a cuben tarp, but a PU coated asym is plenty good enough as well as being well under 1 lb.

    I think your expectations are unrealistic - or - you're trolling

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    I'm sure the Blackbird is a fine hammock, but at two lbs it does seem a bit heavy if you're looking for a UL solution. But, as with any UL solution, you have to find the balance between weight and comfort and safety that you can live with. You can find hammocks as light as 7oz. that's not a whole lot to add to what you're already carrying for the benefit of being able to strike camp pretty much anywhere.

    My DIY setup comes to 24 oz, and includes hammock, sock, bug net, tarp and suspension. Pretty light for the benefits, but I'm still looking for ways to reduce weight and bulk.

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    My DIY setup weighs 3.6 pounds.
    That includes 11' hammock, full bugnet, 12' tarp, 40 degree top quilt and 2/3's under quilt, pillow, CCF pad under feet.

    If I were to spring for a cuben tarp, I would be down to 3 pounds even for all sleeping and shelter items.
    Notice that I don't have a 9' long hammock either!

    I guess my point is that you can go pretty light and pretty comfortable at the same time in a hammock.
    Besides, you'll never catch me in a rat infested shelter.
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    My WBBB Dbl 1.0 with tree straps and whoopie slings weighs in at 1 lb 7.4oz. You must have a 1.7?
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