Has anyone used a biner for the spike in a Marlin Spike Setup then hooked your whoopie slings over it then attached your tarp to the biner? Ideas before I give it a try. Whoopie slings should arrive early next week for my HH mod. Thanks to whoopieslings.com.
you could though often I have my tarp ridge line lower than my tree straps/'biner to allow the tarp to be pitched closer to my hammock.
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A biner will work just fine as a spike.
I wouldn't recommend attaching the tarp to the same biner though. When you get in the hammock, your suspension angle will drop a bit from the added weight. If the tarp is tied to that same suspension, the tarp will sag right along with it. Usually it's better to just tie the tarp to the tree separately.
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A biner in place of the traditional marlin spike hitch will work. As Angrysparrow said, I wouldn't use ti for tarp attachment though.
I use a biner with a marlin spike hitch....but then I just clip my suspension into the biner.
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+1,that's the same way I do itOriginally Posted by hikingdad
That's not a good idea. The Marlin Spike Hitch is designed for the knot, not the toggle, to take the load, which compresses the webbing against the toggle and keeps everything in place. When the weight is on the toggle directly, the knot doesn't compress—in fact, the tension works to the opposite effect, pulling the toggle/carabiner away from the knot.
If you're going to clip into webbing with a carabiner, it's best to use a standard fixed loop knot. An overhand on a bight would work, but a figure 8 on a bight would be easier to untie after being tensioned.
As for the original idea, it seems like it would work except that the carabiner would end up oriented the wrong way. I would trust the long side of a carabiner not to slide through a Marlin Spike, but not the short side. Perhaps a better solution would be to slide both a standard toggle and a carabiner through the loop of the Marlin Spike. That way the toggle can keep the knot in place, and the carabiner could turn longways in order to attach the tarp.
The MSH was developed to allow sailors to add a Handle to pull the line while splicing. So a strong toggle certainly can handle the weight. Hence a climbing rated biner can be used as a taggle as suggested or as a clip on point as also suggested. I have doneboth on multiple occasions.
Hammockers have adopted the MSH to work with woopies but it certainly was not developed to be used as we do. I have also seen it used to make rope ladder with wooden rungs.
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+1 I do this, and attach my hammock strap or whoopie directly to the MSH's biner -but use a separate tarp line most of the time
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Ok I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread or just comment on this one but I was just playing around with my webbing and figured that if you wanted to cut down on weight or not spend time looking for sticks to make your marlin spike could you simply use the webbing itself as the toggle? I didn't have the heart to set it up and try it but since not much force would be on the toggle this may work. Just feed the webbing through where toggle goes.
Just thought I throw it out there. See image here. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1416865511.861519.jpg
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