I got 25 small wire gate carabiners from Lazer Designs about 8 months ago. You're right, the price drops significantly around 20 and around 50 'biners. Mine were purchased for tarp work, underquilt suspensions, etc but not for hammock suspension. The color on the carabiner itself has rubbed off a little on one that has hard use (the wire gate 'biner has a square cross section and the color came off on the hard edges). The name that was laser etched is holding up. Since I have my name on them, I use them as tags for my keys. Also gave a couple to DGrav and Dutch so they can chime in if they see this thread and are interested.