'Classic.' A book which people praise and don't read.” ― Mark Twain
Who cares about showers, gourmet food, using flush toilets. Just keep on walking and being away from it all.
There are times that the only way you can do something is to do it alone.
stand by, I think there will be a 0 deg up for grabs... ;-)
OTOH Neo might get somebody to help dial it in.
Free advice worth what you paid for it. ;-)
Hmmm...my experience with the same underquilt (20* Phoenix with 2 oz. overstuff) - kept me warm at the NJ Winter hang for 3 successive nights at low temps from 9* to 3*. You might want to have someone look at the quilt when you're in the hammock to see if you have any gaps or other issues.
I did cheat a bit and start off the night with a Nalgene full of hot water to warm things up
see you on the trail,
Neo, I seriously don't think it is down vs synthetic, and I don't think you have to go to to a zero rated HG down UQ to be warm at 20. Seriously, I think it is just some undiagnosed fit/adjustment issue. Since you have always seemed to be a warm sleeper, taking fairly thin pads to very low temps, you really ought to be warm in that 20F HG at least to 20 if not below, like several other folks have been.
Now, as to why you are fine to the rated temp in the AHE Climashield UQ to it's rated temp and not so in the HG is a mystery to be solved. But, I don't think it's because one is down and the other is CS synthetic. For one thing, you are fine with your down HG TQ, right?
There might be something to what Flatline said about the CS being less sensitive to being pulled snug and tight compared to the more compressible down. Still, most of the down UQs used by HF users are diff cut models that are supposed to be pretty resistant to down compression when pulled tight. I certainly have my JRB MWs plenty snug against my back, and they are warm as toast used that way.
Does that HG have a "perimeter" style suspension like my older CS Yeti does? Those things are way convenient but can be tricky. Here are a couple of things that can happen and which you need to know to watch for, and how to avoid and maybe even to do a mod for:
1: My Yeti can move ( or I can move ) along that perimeter suspension so that the head end edge of the quilt is too far towards the top of my head, or even too far towards my feet ( less likely ). Either one will open a ventilating gap right down the middle. This is handy in warmer weather, but will freeze my butt when it is cold. I MUST keep the head end edge of the UQ right about at my neckline if I hope to be as warm as possible.
2: I can have it perfectly positioned at my neck, but it can move along that perimeter suspension and not towards the head or feet, but both ends towards the middle! IOW, it can bunch up so that it is not as long as it should be, the head end edge moving down and the foot end moving up. If it does this even a very small amount, a gap can develop and it just won't be as warm as possible. I have learned to make sure it is both very snug against my back and stretched out length wise as far as possible. I just grab the edges with my hands and move it or stretch it, after I am in, to make sure this is all adjusted well. The old style end attached suspensions on my JRB are way less adjustable but less prone to have those problems.
And once I am in the hammock, I like to cross my arms over my chest and grab the left edge of the UQ with my right hand, and the right edge with my left hand, and pull up. If I can move the quilt closer to my back even a millimeter, I tighten the suspension up some more. I want it really snug against my back and butt. I can tell the difference when it is not! And that includes my synthetic Yeti: it will not be warm enough unless perfectly adjusted! Which comes in handy when the weather is warmer.
None of that may apply to the HG, as I don't know what kind of suspension it has. But if it is a perimeter style, watch for these problems and maybe even make some minor mods to correct if needed. That 20F HG ought to keep you warm even below 20F if adjusted correctly, seems to me!
I wish you would try your synthetic UQ below 30 someday. It has 6 oz/sq.yd of CS. I have used 2.5 oz/sq.yd into the 40s and been warm, seems to me like 2 1/2 times the insulation ought to be good ( for me ) lower than 30F!
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my claytor jungle hammock and my hammock gear 20 degree top and bottom quilts were both stolen last thursday at the mid tn hangout at meriwether lewis.i have been camping there 15 years with no problems.the ranger said there have only been 4 or 5 thefts the 22 years he has been there.neo
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