like stated, i dont think tensioners are needed, but i use them anyway to reduce stress in times of gusts or high wind. it seems like it will really help ease the force applied to the giant sail that is my tarp.
6' lines on sides. 8' lines on ridge.
like stated, i dont think tensioners are needed, but i use them anyway to reduce stress in times of gusts or high wind. it seems like it will really help ease the force applied to the giant sail that is my tarp.
6' lines on sides. 8' lines on ridge.
No tensioner needed. Brian builds a pretty bomb proof product.
~8 foot of AirCore at the tie outs. Almost weightless line and overkill for strength.
Noel V.
Most of you have said here that you don't use tensioners with your SpinnUL tarps. So what sorts of knots do you use to secure your tarp lines to your stakes?
Do you use an adjustable knot like a taughtline hitch or a two half hitches OR do you use something like a bowline?
A marlinspike hitch, using the stake as the spike, works very well.Originally Posted by jofish
“I think that when the lies are all told and forgot the truth will be there yet. It dont move about from place to place and it dont change from time to time. You cant corrupt it any more than you can salt salt.” - Cormac McCarthy
Has anyone ever had Brian add line locks to the tarp? Like the ones MLD uses. These seem to remove a lot of adjustment pain and would make setup super simple. I wonder how well they work on a ridgeline?
I have some, I just haven't committed to cutting into mine yet and adding them.
Link to the line loc/ladder locks I am talking about:
http://www.itwnexus.com/catalog/inde.../a/2/c/0/p/114
For attaching the line to the stake, I use a wrap method similar to the one Warbonnet Guy demonstrated in his tarp video.
Last edited by BlackGoat; 01-27-2010 at 16:24. Reason: added link
I just use Zing It 1.7MM (I think) all around. This only added 1.6 ounces to the initial weight of the tarp and stuff sack. I have the SpinnUL Deluxe.
The No Knot Guy Lines I sell dont require any knots. Toggle or larkshead the prusik loop to your D ring and thats it. Adjustment is made by placing one of the fixed eyes over your stake/ guy point and pulling tight. Weight each without the tensioner is 5 grams.
http://whoopieslings.com/No_Knot_Tarp_Guylines.html
I keep trying to get around to the separate line with the tarp over the line, so I can hang wet clothes or whatever. But I have stuck with the skins for a couple of years or so, because it has just seemed to work dang good, especially when the wind is howling. I'm sure I could adjust the tarp easier and with more precision with the prussicks, but it is pretty simple and easy right now.
For example, when I pulled into camp on the last Sipsey trip, it had just started an all night rain, sometimes heavy. So I tied one end of the JRB tarp in skins to tree #1 with a easy to undo knot, then tie to the other tree. I eyeball it, and decide it is centered close enough, and tighten the knots/line. I don't really need it centered precisely anyway. Because I always try to hang one end a bit higher than the other, if I'm not quite centered I'll make up for it by raising or lowering one end after original set up. So after that the tarp comes out of the skins, a little at a time if the wind is bad. Once the tarp is up ( which was just a few minutes later) and staked- with a hiking pole porch- then I wrap the hammock webbing around one tree and clip the biner, adjust so that the triangle ring is about 6" under the tarp repeat on tree #2, and tighten up each end as needed so that the hammock is more or less centered on the tarp. Actually, I think in that case I pulled the hammock closer to the uphill tree, away from the river. Because the rain was trying to blow in the other end.
All of that only took a few minutes, and all was bone dry. And believe me, it was pouring pretty good at times. So how much easier does it need to be?I ended up hanging my wet clothes over the WBBB RL.
Still, I'll probably end up trying a separate line. Just for fun and to have a place to hang stuff!Maybe then I will realize how superior it is. Will I have to give up my skins?
I dont see why you would. The only difference between 2 seperate lines and 1 is the physical presence of the line under the tarp.
The benefit is several fold. First, as you stated you have somewhere to hang items. Another is you have the ability to adjust tarp placement without having to untie the line holding the tarp up.
No. When you roll the tarp into the skins, have it over the tarpline. Doesn't matter what you do after unrolled, if you want the tarp under the line just feed one side under. Or leave it over....
Still, I'll probably end up trying a separate line. Just for fun and to have a place to hang stuff!
Skins stay on the ridgeline. Everything works as before, it's just a bit simpler to adjust the tarp's position by moving it along the rigdeline.
Grizz
(alias ProfessorHammock on youtube)
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