Pak-it-lite Hammock questions

[theseakayaker]

That's a good one! Another argument against ground dwellers! I'll be sure to remember this when talking to people about advantages of camping hammocks to ground shelters ️



First, I assume you mean thirty degrees and not percent.. even still, I'm not sure what you mean by this... I understand that Pack-It-Lite Hammocks are built differently than a standard gathered end hammock but the thirty degree rule is really just about putting less force on your anchors. Less force on trees or posts or cars or hammock stands or whatever your hanging from IS just good common sense.

The point of a fixed RL is so you can hang the hammock consistently, regardless of where or what you are hanging from. It just happens to be the point at which your RL isn't drooping too, (that WOUKD change the sag). When hung at an angle shallower than thirty degrees the feel of the hammock doesn't really change, which is the point.

Why have to figure that out anyway? With my hammocks and support lines there is no need since it's all designed into the system. Most fixed ridge line hammocks are the same way. 30º works best with hammocks with no ridge line to figure the sag of the hammock. As for putting less force on your anchors, this is like rock climbing, if you can't trust your anchor, don't put your weight on it - even at 30º. The weight distribution at that angle isn't that big of a difference on the anchor point. It is, however, on the end points of the hammock and the stress on the fabric if pulled too tight.

To your point, about the RL not drooping at 30º, I'm sure that once the hammock support lines, with a fixed RL, are pulled taut and the weight of the occupant is introduced to the hammock body the lines will fall into that angle anyway depending on how far you are away from the tree.

But again, why have to figure that out? Just put the support lines of my hammock at shoulder height on the tree, attach the hammock loops to each toggle and pull the one adjusting line taut. Climb in and go to sleep. It's not rocket science.

[mychal]

Wow. Just...wow.

[sargevining]

But again, why have to figure that out? Just put the support lines of my hammock at shoulder height on the tree, attach the hammock loops to each toggle and pull the one adjusting line taut. Climb in and go to sleep. It's not rocket science.

Nothing about hammocks is rocket science.

Not. One. Thing.

ALL hammocks with a ridgeline, will sag as long as the ridgeline is shorter than the hammock body. Period. Tom Hennessy figured that out years ago. No great breakthrough here.

What you have is a short double layer hammock with a foot box to alleviate its shortness and a unique suspension.

Its not more of a winter hammock than any other double layer hammock.

Its not any easier to set up than any other hammock, despite your claims

I would be behind this hammock and this design were it not for the marketing and claims of it being things that it is not.

The goal of many of us here is to de-mystify hammocks to promote their wider use. Your marketing goes contrary to that goal by claiming that hanging a piece of cloth between two trees is somehow more complicated than Chinese math and you're here to spare poor dumb people the chore.

[ShellHammock]

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I'd be interested to know what it is you have patented regarding the hammock? from the site: "All of my hammocks are designed using the Patent Pending formula" but elsewhere throughout the site, patent pending reads simply patented, so I assume it's been granted.

Looks like the hammock bed measures 11'6" long by 60" wide which is rather large. And from your set-up video, Tony, you say you are 6'1" tall, which is tall but not way above average. You make the hammock look much smaller in the video than what is listed.

I suspect the way in which the hammock is gathered is the secret formula? From pictures it looks similar to the HH style with a folding method, but it eats up a lot of hammock, i'd guess 6"+ on each side.

Can you give any insight on the patent, or give a patent number? I couldn't find anything in my search online.

[sargevining]

I'd be interested to know what it is you have patented regarding the hammock? from the site: "All of my hammocks are designed using the Patent Pending formula" but elsewhere throughout the site, patent pending reads simply patented, so I assume it's been granted.

Looks like the hammock bed measures 11'6" long by 60" wide which is rather large. And from your set-up video, Tony, you say you are 6'1" tall, which is tall but not way above average. You make the hammock look much smaller in the video than what is listed.

I suspect the way in which the hammock is gathered is the secret formula? From pictures it looks similar to the HH style with a folding method, but it eats up a lot of hammock, i'd guess 6"+ on each side.

Can you give any insight on the patent, or give a patent number? I couldn't find anything in my search online.

IIRC, from previous posts, the 11'-6 is measured on the diagonal. The actual hammock length, again IIRC, is sub 10 feet.

[ShellHammock]

IIRC, from previous posts, the 11'-6 is measured on the diagonal. The actual hammock length, again IIRC, is sub 10 feet.

ahh ...well that would certainly make this picture misleading:

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[theseakayaker]

I'd be interested to know what it is you have patented regarding the hammock? from the site: "All of my hammocks are designed using the Patent Pending formula" but elsewhere throughout the site, patent pending reads simply patented, so I assume it's been granted.

Looks like the hammock bed measures 11'6" long by 60" wide which is rather large. And from your set-up video, Tony, you say you are 6'1" tall, which is tall but not way above average. You make the hammock look much smaller in the video than what is listed.

I suspect the way in which the hammock is gathered is the secret formula? From pictures it looks similar to the HH style with a folding method, but it eats up a lot of hammock, i'd guess 6"+ on each side.

Can you give any insight on the patent, or give a patent number? I couldn't find anything in my search online.

Alex,

Yes, all claims have been granted. You would have to read the claims to fully understand since it can get somewhat complicated. In a nut shell, how the hammock is engineered - over all shape to make it function the way it does. It's not just the way the ends are gathered but the over all shape. The way the ends are designed. The ridgeline gear loft. Design of top enclosure. DLS system with pockets. Support system and peaked rain fly. If the patent is not public yet, it should be in a few months.

[theseakayaker]

IIRC, from previous posts, the 11'-6 is measured on the diagonal. The actual hammock length, again IIRC, is sub 10 feet.

The shape of the hammock is not the typical rectangular or even quadrilateral shape of most hammocks. Hence, the reason for my patent. And yes, the 11'6" is the measurement of the hammock bed on the diagonal. This 11'6" axis is where the pocket for the CC pad is and the sleeping area. The way the hammock is shaped takes into consideration the give on the bias of the hammock to allow the user to lay flatter and the reason the hammock can be 8'6" at the ridge line. And the length of the hammock bed if laid flat a long the support axis is over 10'. Again, it's how the hammock is shaped, not just gathered, to allow the user to lay flatter. Not sure what all the fuss is over this and why Alex would say the dimensions on my site are misleading. You both are more than welcome to come down to my shop and try one out.

[theseakayaker]

Hello there!
Anyone on here have any experience with the pak-it-lite hammock system?

I don't need the lightest set up, but want something that is a very flat lay with superior weather protection and warmth. Double layer and a tarp a must.

I'm 6 foot 2 and about 225lbs.

Any help would be appreciated

CJ

CJ,

You have a chance to set it up yet? Let me know what you want to do about the support system.

[theseakayaker]

CJ, Thanks for the email and review. I hope you don't mind if I post it here.

"Thanks Tony,

As you know I have been looking at your Hammock's for a couple years now and you have responded to my numerous emails and even called me a couple times to answer questions- VERY much appreciated!

I'm not sure why the members on the Hammock Forums are not on board with this hammock- I attempted to get all the info and reviews I could on your product but there were only one or two people who had used one. The results were very positive, but just not plentiful.

So, based on the excellent customer service you provided- I went ahead and purchased the FOB. I do like the new info on the website regarding actual dimensions (although I realize your hammocks are cut different than most others and it's like comparing apples to oranges- but it just shows how you have listened to what people have asked for- even when it really doesn't apply- and you have given them what they wanted)

I went over the hammock upon receiving it today and am generally impressed with the fit and finish of the product. I like the innovative ideas you have incorporated in the hammock design and can't wait to try it out.

From everything I've read and everything I have seen, I think this is the system I have been looking for - for my hunting excursions! I like the double layer for a pad, the side tubes are a great idea as well. I think these alone would have swayed my decision- but then you improved upon the suspension over recent years and the Amsteel is a great way to go!

Thanks for a great product and I'll let you know when I post my review on Hammock Forums!

CJ"