Climashield Darts?

[wa4chq]

I just finished a CS 5.0 UQ and did not employ darts in the building process. I followed CW Hammocks UQ video...
Waiting on odds and ends to complete it then on to testing!

[Hangs4Fun]

Any updates? I'm making a set of UQ's and TQ's this weekend for my son and I for 3 season. I went with the 2.5 CS Apex, Momentum-MR shell and Momentum-T liner kits. I'm thinking this is going to be more involved than I originally was thinking. Still looking for the best plans and design elements to go with. Obviously I have studied Patrick's design (from KAQ). I like the shape, but a little reserved on using the design completely (specifically the Darts). At some point, I will reach "Analysis Paralysis" and just go forward and start cutting and injecting some thread. Hopefully by then I will have built up in my head all the things to think about and mold them into what I require.

As info, the above UQ/TQ is just a lightweight set of quilts for >40 hangs. For winter I use a Kifaru Zero degree Slick bag for my TQ and a Kifaru Doobie folded in half (with shock cord added to the hem) for my UQ. These products both use CS Combat, a similar product to CS Apex. The way I added shockcord in the hems, allow me to cinch up the head and foot end of the folded Doobie. Combine that with those Awesome Dutch aluminum quilt hangers and ridge hangers, I am able to get that Doobie nice and tight to the bottom of my hammock, without compressing the Combat CS. A Doobie is already a double layer of CS at 93" by 60", then I fold that in half (47.5" by 60"), then I cinch the ends down to under 30" and the loft is 6-8 inches on the ends. But primarily, I rely on CS because I had my down setup get wet once and I about kicked the can from hypothermia. I sold all my down bedding (outdoor gear) and found Combat CS used by Kifaru in their products. After watching several videos of people getting in completely soaking wet bags/quilts, I was amazed to see them start feeling warmth within a minute (even though totally soaking wet) and the crazy part, waking up in the morning dry. After what I experienced, I completely switched. Granted up until now all my experience with CS is with the Combat product, but from what it looks like the Apex is a comparable product.
Does CS loft as much as higher end down, not as much, no.
Is CS as light as higher end down, no it is slightly heavier, but not much.
Does CS compress down as much as higher end down, no, but pretty close
However...
Can CS provide you with warmth even when wet, yes it can; down would be "down for the count"
Can CS wick away moisture to the point you can go to sleep wet and wake up dry, yes it can
Can CS be used by people who are allergic to down (like my son is), yes it can
Can CS be washed in dried at home, yes it can in a front load washer
Can CS be sewn just around the perimeter with no darts, yes it can; down has to have baffles, IX darts
Is CS easier to work with compared to down or other synthetics, yes it is; and hopefully I will find out first hand this weekend ;-)

[Swede2378]

Well, we made 14 CS UQs over the course of a few weeks. Tested, worked good, we didn't make them as wide as we could have, went with 1m CS, could have easily went with 120-140cm. Kids had a blast, we ended up doing the "inside out" method, and they look really impressive. All DutchGear'd out as well, easy to put them up. The kids have decided that it is easiest to attach the UQ and bugnet (Fronkeys) and then just make a big Bishop bag, like 90cm x 70cm, and roll it all up together.

Am almost done with 14 cat cut tarps, a few days of sewing left to do, all the measuring and cutting is done.

Will post a video when done. We didn't film the UQ process, kinda had my hands full with 13 11-year olds all sewing simultaneously

I didn't dart any of them, just used 150cm x 100cm for all layers, as I said should have gone with 150x140cm.

----------- 1.1
-- -- GG
----------- 1.1
----------- CS

then turn it inside out.

[Hangs4Fun]

I have the same number of 10 year olds in my
Webelos-II den. I could not imagine embarking on the project you just did. My hats off to you, those boys are very lucky to have you. What an amazing thing you have done to positively impact them and their love for the outdoors!

[Swede2378]

Well, we just got back from our hike!

Here's the video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIoN...ature=youtu.be

It is in Swedish, but you can at least see the kids having fun and what their gear looks like.

[pop78]

I've decided to tackle this to ditch my sleeping pad. I get the whole inside out construction, except for the gross grain. How is it actually attached?

[Swede2378]

Fold the gross grain lengthwise.

Attach it between the layers of the 1.1 ripstop with the folded part towards the middle.

Sew on the open side of the gross grain.

You can miter the corners to make it easier to get the shock cord in.

[pop78]

Got it, thanks!