ach. my week-end ran away with me. Sorry to not get back to you helpful folks sooner.
No Problem. Goes along with being technically minded. Took Engineering Physics in uni but didn't complete, life got in the way.
Wow, fantastic thread. The only problem is figuring out the dew point for a variety of temperatures/humidities given a half dozen different materials and determine where to put the vapor barrier or how to alter your insulation. What a headache. However, it does give me a good take-a-way. All hammocks should be breathable material on the bottom to allow transfer of warm moisture laden air out. I am surprised that they haven't been made of gortex (or have they?). How does this compare with manufacturers claims that they are waterproof on the bottom for bivy style use in the absence of trees.
If the pockets on the Clark leave a cold spot along the axis attachment why has Clark not addressed this? Has anybody spoken to Clark?
yeah, I saw this thread. The 'pillows' were very cool. I would rather have a usage more like the Clark's sale pitch where you store your gear and let the air pocket insulate you. Which doesn't sound like it works much. If you have to carry extra bits, an underquilt makes more sense.
Nope, no offense noted, that was a serious answer. I saw the blackbird mentioned enough by enough people that have significant posting histories and obvious expertise that I had to add it to my investigation.
ok, that is a lot of options. I have to agree with all the posters stating 'pads suck'. I used my thermarest with my peak at camp and I have tried it at home as well. I can make it work, but it isn't very good. And that includes that I have a sleeping bag that straps to the pad. (Sierra Designs "Rip-van-winkle - love this bag, but don't see it on their website anymore).
So, a couple of questions.
1. Does the blackbird have a 'pad pocket' ? I have heard this mentioned but didn't see it on the list of features on the website. Now, jumping to random conclusions here, I assume that the pad pocket, if it does have one, works to maintain a pad underneath the torso area.
wait - is this the difference between the single layer and double layer choices on the Warbonnet website?
Is a weathershield an additional layer around the bottom of the hammock, or is the double layer the weathershield? Been reading too much and too long, starting to get it confused...
2. Rablinrev, is single digits Fahrenheight or Celsius? I assume you mean Fahrenheight, so that means that you like the supershelter with your hennessey and ccf pad down to almost -18C. I assume that is with an appropriate bag and clothing.
3. How does the pad in the supershelter stay put under the torso - it looked like it would move around quite a bit as there was a lot more space than pad
Do you substitute a different pad?
That's about what I was looking for as answers go. I am disappointed that the Clark pockets don't hold up to the sales billing but happier to know now than after purchasing one. So, my typical temp would be somewhere between 40 to a ways under freezing, say, 20'ish (F). And you would use an underquilt with your Clark (and your BB) for all of those temperatures?
Which hammock do you find more comfortable, the BB or the Clark.
You mentioned not being a convert to the HH, why is that? What didn't you like about them?
Your topcover is a neat idea, how well does it stay in place getting in and out of the hammock?
Hey, I notice your BB is camo - is that the same material as the standard BB or is that a cover you put on it?
Is there a weathershield for the BB - something equivalent to the undercover for the Hennessey SS system?
Is there any advantage to the Clark style tarp over the hex tarps?
Thanks for the link.
Thank you all for your input and advice.
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