Originally Posted by
BillyBob58
I agree about the clothing, though obviously some have a different experience. I mean, there is the whole " sleep naked" approach.
Still, for me, I have always layered my sleep system just as I do my clothing. I doubt there is any way that, when just barely warm enough inside my PeaPod at 27F wearing and/or draping insulated clothing, that if I get rid of the insulated clothing I am going to warm up. I already know that from not being warm enough on top ( bottom warmth no problem ) at those temps with out the warm clothing.
At the same time, a snug or tight fit does not seem to be required with the Speer Pea Pod for some reason. And I am still waiting in vain to see a thread titled something like " my back was cold at 30F in my 20F Pea Pod". Have not seen that one yet. It is very forgiving of set up errors.
I have 3 UQs, and they all work fine for me, but all must be very snug. Here is my routine. I grab the left UQ top edge with my right hand, and grab the right quilt edge with left hand, and pull up. If I am able to move the quilt upwards at all, I tighten the suspension up. What I usually feel is as soon as I start lifting is the fabric lifting against my back, very snug. I really have to work at it to get it to where I'm fearful it is actually too tight. Which might damage something or be uncomfortable. But that taint easy to do. As already mentioned, my unloaded non-bridge hammocks are lifted - at least with my Yeti - 2 or 3 feet in the center. But might be different with quilts that don't have a differential cut, you might go to far and compress the down too much.
Well, for sure, IF you use too much insulation for the temps, and thus over heat and sweat, you are going to get cold. And as you say, if the temps are below the rating of the insulation, adding cloths will keep you warm. But the rating of the quilt will vary with the individual and conditions. ( conditions such as wind and if you are already exhausted and a bit chilled when going to bed ) Plus, Brand A's 30F bag might be no warmer than brand B's 40F bag or quilt.
I don't doubt your experience during cold weather training. A zero bag plus lots of warm clothing in 30F temps = sweat for most of us. And sweat = cold later on. But if your bag had only been a 30 or 40F or 50F bag, you might have needed some warm clothing. And might not have done so well in just your skivvies. Or at least I probably wouldn't.
But again, YMMV and HYOH etc, etc. Because I know there are people who say that a 30F quilt will be warmer at 20 or 30F if you are even buck naked. I can't argue with how it works for them. But for me, layering works, as do vapor barriers which some folks hate. But, especially with no VB, it will not pay to layer so much that I will over heat and start sweating and end up with damp insulation.
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