View Full Version : "The Switchback" by Tree to Tree Trail Gear
To all Hammock Forum members : We, Darby & Smithobx (Dale & John) are opening a custom gear shop mainly for the hammocking community. The name of our shop is Tree to Tree Trail Gear and our e-mail for orders or questions is
[email protected] Our website is under construction, so the present way to reach us is email or PM, and if you include your phone #, we will call you back as soon as possible. As soon as we get our website up & running we will have a phone # posted for your convenience.
We have designed a hammock, which we call the Switchback, incorporating the features we think are needed in a rugged, trail worthy shelter, balancing comfort with durability & weight. our design is roomier inside than some others, making it easier to change clothes, or switch head ends without leaving or unzipping the hammock. Because of its depth, the Switchback works well with Exped/BA type insulated pads & is not as tippy as some other models when you raise the center of gravity 3.5" to 4". Of course, the Switchback has been tested & works well with most commercially available underquilts. We also added tie-outs at each end on opposite sides to add to the roominess. With the Switchback, you also have the option of using spreader bars on the top of the netting (rigging is included), or if you want even more head room, you can set up without the spreader bars. The Switchback incorporates a full length zipper on both sides with pockets sewn on each end which makes it possible to use either end as the head end, no matter on which side you prefer the zipper. The double zipper also allows the user to open the netting on the Switchback on both sides and secure it in a raised configuration. This greatly increases ventilation and is also a nice feature for star gazers. Please see the photos below for clarification of this setup. There are two interior loops, one at each end on the bottom of the Switchback to secure clothes bags, pillows ect. These loops are sewn in the channel so as not to degrade the structural integrity of the fabric. The Switchback also has two interior loops sewn to the net suspension for lights, clothes line, and a non structural ridgeline if the user so desires.
The Switchback is cut to minimize shoulder squeeze and to allow for a good flat diagonal lay or a comfortable lay straight down the center line. In short, the Switchback is not cut rectangularly. We are making the Switchback in the following configurations; Single layer-1.1 or 1.9 breathable. Double layer- 1.1 or 1.9 with a lightweight taffeta liner. Colors are dictated by the availability of fabrics. We currently have the Switchback available in a woodland brown, either single or double layer. The taffeta liner is currently available in woodland green & black.
We would like to thank all those who gave us their input & encouragement. The Switchback is the result of endless discussions on many three to seven hour drives to hiking & fly fishing destinations and enough prototypes (that didn't work)to fill a 55 gallon trash drum. Oh well, we now have plenty of stuff sack material.
We want to give special thanks to Angry Sparrow for helping with the field testing and offering constructive suggestions & criticism where needed.
General Specs are as follows:
1. Dimensions: 120" x 52"
2. Weight: 1 lb 15 oz (w/o suspension)
3. Two full length zippers w/ dbl tab pulls
4. Single or double layer
5. Two interior loops
6. Two interior net loops
7. Two exterior tie outs
8. Two interior pockets
9. Channel end design
Prices: (Hammock only)
1.9 dbl layer $180.00
1.9 single layer $170.00
1.1 dbl layer $190.00
1.1 single layer $180.00
Our best to all and happy hanging !!!
angrysparrow
10-05-2009, 19:28
Congrats Dale and John! The hammock community is lucky to have such a new and versatile option.
Everyone - I got to test drive one of the prototypes of this hammock design. It's worth checking out! The comfort is as great as any end-gathered hammock I've tried, and the construction details are superb. If you're in the market for a new hammock, the Switchback should be on your short list.
Nice to see another option on the market. Good luck with the new business.
rigidpsycho
10-05-2009, 19:35
Good luck with the new business guys. It will be nice to have another option out there.
Cannibal
10-05-2009, 19:38
Great! :rolleyes:
My wish list doesn't seem to be getting any shorter.:D
Big congrats on your launch! Good luck and I look forward to making an order.
Peter_pan
10-05-2009, 19:43
Looks like a new "most roomy" winner...Well done.
Look forward to seeing it at the Winter Hang.
Pan
Outer Island
10-05-2009, 19:45
Looks good, I could use another piece of gear.:lol:
Rockdawg69
10-06-2009, 07:34
Thanks guys for another option. Really nice work. Also loved the tarps you had at Sept SEHHA in Hot Springs. Will tarps also be on your site???
animalcontrol
10-06-2009, 08:02
looks very interesting...thanks for the R&D
on the weight (31 oz), what configuration is that on? (1.1, 1.1 dbl, etc)
Thanks guys for another option. Really nice work. Also loved the tarps you had at Sept SEHHA in Hot Springs. Will tarps also be on your site???
Yes, we will be adding the tarps soon.
looks very interesting...thanks for the R&D
on the weight (31 oz), what configuration is that on? (1.1, 1.1 dbl, etc)
Good catch, the weight posted is for the 1.9 dbl layer.
headchange4u
10-06-2009, 09:31
Looks great.
stormcrow
10-06-2009, 10:07
Most impressive! I look forward to seeing some of them at the hangs coming up.
Mustardman
10-06-2009, 10:22
Very cool - looking forward to see some reviews roll out. I always like seeing cottage makers coming up with cool designs, and I dig the flexibility and variety of pitch options available on this one.
Gordzilla
10-06-2009, 22:08
Real nice looking hammock. I would definitley consider this over a lot of other options, good work. Hope all works out for you.
MacEntyre
10-07-2009, 06:33
I got a personal tour of the Switchback at Hot Springs. It is very well made, and is certainly roomy under the bugnet. Since it was set up as Darby's hang for the weekend, I did not ask if I could get in it... now I wish I had!
- MacEntyre
HappyCamper
10-07-2009, 07:42
Congrats. Love the company and hammock names!
Do we have a choice of suspensions?
I got a personal tour of the Switchback at Hot Springs. It is very well made, and is certainly roomy under the bugnet. Since it was set up as Darby's hang for the weekend, I did not ask if I could get in it... now I wish I had!
- MacEntyre
I would have been glad to have you give it a try. We didn't want to turn Ed's hangout into a sales event so we only answered questions asked. We were also in the final stages of testing at Hot Springs so we were not quite ready to promote yet.
Congrats. Love the company and hammock names!
Do we have a choice of suspensions?
HappyCamper, I cant believe I missed your question. you have my sincerest apologies. We are currently providing the "rope, ring & strap" suspension.
Hangin' Burrito
10-14-2009, 05:26
Darby,
Is that the hammock that you showed Running Feather & I at the Hot Springs hang in Sept.? That is one sweet hammock.:D
Looking forward to checking out your website for the business!
Darby,
Is that the hammock that you showed Running Feather & I at the Hot Springs hang in Sept.? That is one sweet hammock.:D
Looking forward to checking out your website for the business!
Yes, the hammocks that Smithobx & myself were in are the first production models. Our website (actually an e-store) should be open early next week. :scared:
bigfoot2
10-14-2009, 22:38
Ok...very nice hammock, but some questions:
#1
Are the spreader bars included? If not are they optional? If not optional, what do you recommend?
#2
Based on looking at your pictures, i am guessing that a JRB Nest would be the ideal insulation choice. Do the tie out points on your hammock line up with the ones on the Nest?
#3
Is the non-structural ridge line bungie cord? Does it interfere with a rain fly (i ask because in the pictures the ridge line tie off is normally where my tarp would be hung on the tree)?
#4
What are the main differences between the 1.1 and the 1.9 fabrics. Also, what weight limits have you put on each? Oh, my wife wants to know if she can get one in HOT PINK :scared:
Thanks and good job :thumbup1:
BF:shades:
Ok...very nice hammock, but some questions:
#1
Are the spreader bars included? If not are they optional? If not optional, what do you recommend?
#2
Based on looking at your pictures, i am guessing that a JRB Nest would be the ideal insulation choice. Do the tie out points on your hammock line up with the ones on the Nest?
#3
Is the non-structural ridge line bungie cord? Does it interfere with a rain fly (i ask because in the pictures the ridge line tie off is normally where my tarp would be hung on the tree)?
#4
What are the main differences between the 1.1 and the 1.9 fabrics. Also, what weight limits have you put on each? Oh, my wife wants to know if she can get one in HOT PINK :scared:
Thanks and good job :thumbup1:
BF:shades:
Bigfoot,
We are offering the spreader bars as a option. We feel most will probably make their own, but for those who prefer to buy, we will make them. We are currently waiting on prices for the tubing so I don't want to quote any prices yet. I made mine from carbon arrow shafts and that makes them cost prohibitive to produce. Hopefully the company I'm dealing with right now will get back to me soon (today maybe)
We did not design the Switchback with a specific UQ in mind. When Angrysparrow tested the hammock, he used a variety of UQ's. His comment was "I tested your hammock with a variety of quilts. It works perfectly with all that I tried, including partial quilts made by Warbonnet, Te-Wa, and full length quilts by both Speer and JRB. I can't forsee it not working perfectly with any, excepting the PeaPod."
The netting suspension is comprised of shockcord & light line. I have not experienced any trouble when rigging a tarp. I usually connect the line right to the biner or "Dutch Clip". John likes to run his around the tree, which is what you seen in the pics.
The difference in the fabric is the weight per Sq. yard and of course the weight limits of each. Unfortuneatley, there does not seem to be any definite official weight ratings for this material. Most weight ratings are conservative due to liability issues, but the following is a fair guideline:
1.1 single layer - 195 lbs.
1.1 double layer - 260 lbs.
1.9 single layer - 230 lbs.
1.9 double layer - 385 lbs.
I can tell you that I have had a person over 400 lbs in my 1.9 double layer with no problems. I would recomend a triple layer though for anyone over 400 lbs.
As for the pink Switchback, I have only been able to find a pink taffeta currently. That isn't a problem but with the hammock not being made from ripstop, I would recomend a second layer.
Cheers, Dale
bigfoot2
10-15-2009, 15:35
Thanks for the fast response, guys :thumbup: Come to think of it, with an under quilt on you couldn't see the hammock color anyway :( Unless she uses a pad :) Choices, choices...........
BF:cool:
How about a pink UQ ? :scared::lol::scared:
oldgringo
10-15-2009, 16:04
How about a pink UQ ? :scared::lol::scared:
You jest, but who could have forseen pink camo, and pink gunstocks???
Cannibal
10-15-2009, 16:17
While it bothers me to no end that I'm posting this so close to questions of pink hammocks and underquilts...I'm on the list! :woot:
Single 1.9 is getting a new home in Colorado.
angrysparrow
10-15-2009, 17:04
I'm glad this thread is getting bumped...this is a very interesting hammock that is worth considering. I've been waiting for someone else to get one so that we can compare notes...
As mentioned, I indeed tested it with quite a variety of quilts..no issues at all. And of course pad use is just as easy as with any other double layer model.
It's also noteworthy that this is the least claustrophobic fully netted hammock I've ever been in. When the spreader bars are deployed, the interior is absolutely cavernous. You can easily change clothes inside it, IMO.
Looking forward to others impressions...
sclittlefield
10-20-2009, 09:41
Nice looking hammock. Looks to be super roomy. How small do you think a tarp can be to still work effectively with this (as it's a little taller than HH/WBBB types)?
I look forward to your website opening up.
animalcontrol
10-20-2009, 10:24
While it bothers me to no end that I'm posting this so close to questions of pink hammocks and underquilts...I'm on the list! :woot:
Single 1.9 is getting a new home in Colorado.
what? another one?
<<shocked! :lol:
:thumbup:
Cannibal
10-20-2009, 10:46
what? another one?
<<shocked! :lol:
:thumbup:
I know! Who'd of thought? :D
They've got me itchin too! Ran out of GG ribbon and has to wait on a new order of the stuff to complete my Switchback. Arrrggghhhhh!
Just as well. My outdoor sleeping has taken a bit of a hiatus of late. Waiting for that first blizzard.:woot:
gargoyle
10-20-2009, 10:56
I know! Who'd of thought? :D
They've got me itchin too! Ran out of GG ribbon and has to wait on a new order of the stuff to complete my Switchback. Arrrggghhhhh!
Just as well. My outdoor sleeping has taken a bit of a hiatus of late. Waiting for that first blizzard.:woot:
yea, you need more hammocks. your a sick man.:lol::lol:
Cannibal
10-20-2009, 11:02
Maybe I'll open a Hammock Museum someday. :lol:
gargoyle
10-20-2009, 11:06
Hammock and donkey museum?? Sure, it could work.
Nice looking hammock. Looks to be super roomy. How small do you think a tarp can be to still work effectively with this (as it's a little taller than HH/WBBB types)?
I look forward to your website opening up.
I would recommend a tarp with a minimum ridge length of 144". The tarps we are making have a ridge length 156". The cat cut camo (1.9) tarp I had at Hot Springs has a 144" ridge length and did a great job with falling rain, but a blowing rain might of caused issues, so we decided to add 12" to the cat cut tarp. The diamond tarp that Smithobx was using at Hot Springs has a ridge length of 156". We will be making both styles in 1.1 & 1.9.
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angrysparrow
10-20-2009, 15:46
While testing the Switchback, I slept through one non-harsh all night rain with a standard 12' long BlackCat. I felt there was quite sufficient coverage with it.
Glad to hear it. John accused me of being paranoid, maybe he was right. I really hope he doesn't read this, I WON'T hear the end of it.:lol::scared::lol:
BlackGoat
10-20-2009, 16:01
I would recommend a tarp with a minimum ridge length of 144". The tarps we are making have a ridge length 156". The cat cut camo (1.9) tarp I had at Hot Springs has a 144" ridge length and did a great job with falling rain, but a blowing rain might of caused issues, so we decided to add 12" to the cat cut tarp. The diamond tarp that Smithobx was using at Hot Springs has a ridge length of 156". We will be making both styles in 1.1 & 1.9.
Has there been any consideration for a structural ridgeline? Is it possible to have one with this hammock, or through your R&D did you determine it was not needed with your current design? I am assuming having one would allow someone to use a shorter tarp like a standard 10 footer. I think the hammock looks great, I am just curious to learn more about the thought behind it.
thanks,
dg
I would recommend a tarp with a minimum ridge length of 144". The tarps we are making have a ridge length 156". The cat cut camo (1.9) tarp I had at Hot Springs has a 144" ridge length and did a great job with falling rain, but a blowing rain might of caused issues, so we decided to add 12" to the cat cut tarp. The diamond tarp that Smithobx was using at Hot Springs has a ridge length of 156". We will be making both styles in 1.1 & 1.9.
Has there been any consideration for a structural ridgeline? Is it possible to have one with this hammock, or through your R&D did you determine it was not needed with your current design? I am assuming having one would allow someone to use a shorter tarp like a standard 10 footer. I think the hammock looks great, I am just curious to learn more about the thought behind it.
thanks,
dgdamngoat, the Switchback was not designed for a structural ridgeline. The hammock is designed to hang with a (approx.) 30 degree suspension angle. It is ultimately up to the user as to what provides the best comfort. There are GG loops on the interior of the bugnet suspension to allow for a non-structural ridgeline/clothesline(which is installed). The exterior bugnet suspension is comprised of shockcord & light line to allow for the stretch of the hammock, eliminating a structural load on the net.
Cheers, Dale
slowhike
10-21-2009, 08:36
Hey "Triple T"... looking good!!! I'm looking forward to seeing one of these in person!!! Keep up the good work!
Hey Guys,
Excellent debut !http://www.hawthorneaudio.com/forums/images/smilies/eusa_clap.gif
I have one question that perhaps you could help me out with.
In this picture below we see that the bug screening is held up by two independent tie out lines going to the trees.
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5885&d=1254782064
I use a separate ridge line under my tarp and was wondering if these lines could simply be run up to this tarp ridge line?
I am thinking of similar hardware to how we hold the tarp centered and tensioned with Prussic knots and Mini Biners.
Thanks,
Darrel :D
Yes, you could use that system to suspend the net. I would still incorporate shock cord in the system to prevent overloading the net in case of hammock suspension slippage. I tend to lean towards overkill (John & my girlfriend will attest to that), but my grandmother was a Murphy , so I try to avoid problems before they occur.
Cheers, Dale
...I'm on the list! http://www.hawthorneaudio.com/forums/images/smilies/Bob_spend.gif
Single 1.9 in Black is getting a new home in Michigan.
http://www.hawthorneaudio.com/forums/images/smilies/eusa_dance.gif
Darrel :D
Hey Dale,
We are offering the spreader bars as a option. We feel most will probably make their own, but for those who prefer to buy, we will make them. I made mine from carbon arrow shafts and that makes them cost prohibitive to produce.
I was hoping to get some basic dimensions on theses so that I can start sourcing the materials to build myself a set.
Any additional construction tips you would care to share would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Darrel :)
Hey Dale,
I was hoping to get some basic dimensions on theses so that I can start sourcing the materials to build myself a set.
Any additional construction tips you would care to share would also be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Darrel :)
Hey Darrel,
The Switchback is designed for 22" spreader bars. If you want to make them collapsible, I would suggest the following;
For each shaft, cut one side 12" and the other 10", then glue a 4" ferrule on the 10" piece with a depth of 2". that way both pieces are now 12" long un-assembled & 22" long assembled. I added shock cord and plastic end caps I got from Lowes. Adding the shock cord: I plugged both ends of the spreader bar with a short piece of wooden dowel (glued in) and then drilled a hole through the dowels. NOTE: Make sure you countersink the dowels when you glue them in, enough so the knot in the shock cord does not protrude beyond the end of the shaft. Install the plastic caps and your done !!!
I Used carbon arrow shaft for the bars and aluminum arrow shaft for the exterior ferrule.
Cheers, Dale
Hey Dale,
Thanks!
Sounds great. I will run up a couple pairs this weekend.
Great tutorial by the way. ;)
Cheers,
Darrel :D
MacEntyre
10-22-2009, 16:20
Darrel, your MMP stays are only one inch longer than those spreader bars... just sayin'.
- MacEntyre
Darrel, your MMP stays are only one inch longer than those spreader bars... just sayin'.
- MacEntyre
Hummmmmm? :laugh:
Cheers,
Darrel :D
Darrel, your MMP stays are only one inch longer than those spreader bars... just sayin'.
- MacEntyre
MacEntyre,
Are the stays made from the tubing we talked about ? I haven't been too lucky finding any at a reasonable cost. I tried Michaels online, but a search revealed no hits.
Can the stays be cut down any ? I think the max length that would fit is 22 1/2" but that is tight.
Cheers, Dale
MacEntyre
10-22-2009, 16:49
Are the stays made from the tubing we talked about ?
Yes... IIRC it is 0.198 OD, 0.166 ID
I haven't been too lucky finding any at a reasonable cost. I tried Michaels online, but a search revealed no hits.
Hobby stores... R/C in particular
Can the stays be cut down any ? I think the max length that would fit is 22 1/2" but that is tight.
It would not hurt a thing to take an inch off the stays in a MMP. The trick is to figure out a simple, secure way to fasten the opening in the top of the binding, after you slide them back in. I'm sure Darrel will come up with something!
- MacEntyre
I love dual use items :boggle:
We could leave the ends sewn tightly shut, create an opening in the sleeve at the mid way point large enough to insert the collapsed spar back in and then re-connect as they get almost fully inserted.
If the chase is left long, the opening generous and the spar shortened it may just work...;)
Cheers,
Darrel :D
Or...
Shorten the spar one inch but do not cut it in half as you would to make a collapsible.
Make a small exit hole one inch up from the very bottom on the MMP sleeve.
To remove you would work it up and then push it out the exit .
To reinstall you would reverse this procedure and make sure that it is fully seated down into the bottom past this one inch exit opening. That shoud keep it securely in the sleeve.
Cauterizing this exit hole would help make sure it didn't fray up too badly over time....
Cheers,
Darrel:D
MacEntyre
10-22-2009, 18:14
I like the last idea!
- MacEntyre
I agree, The main reason to have collapsible spreader bars is for ease of packing. The joint is the weakest part of the assembly, still strong enough for its intended use though. Utilizing your stays as spreader bars, I would keep them in one piece if possible. Before cutting the stays, try them at original length, then only cut IF necessary and only WHAT is necessary.
Cheers, Dale
MacEntyre
10-22-2009, 19:09
Thought about it... if you open the top of the binding, you should be ok. You could fasten it back with a safety pin.
- MacEntyre
Hey Guys,
This is just too good an idea not to try it out.
The best pack gets even better. ;)
I will leave them one piece and work out a good way to easily get them in out and back in the pack sleeves.
Having spreader bars with me at all times will be handy for those times when I want to really open up the internal volume of the SB.
I like the visibility this hammock appears to have.
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5884&d=1254782064
Cheers,
Darrel :D
MacEntyre
10-23-2009, 03:01
Darby,
I'll come up with a way to remove the stays from a Molly Mac Pack, including a simple closure so they won't work their way out while your are hiking. I'll put a stop near the bottom, so that when they are only 22", it won't affect the way the pack works.
I will also make a built-in hammock sack, similar to a Bishop Bag, at the top of the pack, just the right size for a Switchback, with a tarp in a separate sack. After you hang your hammock, the pack would be like an end-cap on the suspension, with everything accessible.
We could offer a Switchback Hammock and a Molly Mac Pack in one package from North Carolina!
Ya'll can noodle on this while I'm gone hangin'. See you in November!
- MacEntyre
EDIT: Darrel, just open the top of the vertical binding. Then, if you shorten the carbon fiber stay, you'll be able to make a tack about 1.5" from the bottom of the binding, to keep the stay up toward the top end, where it is needed. Be sure to keep the horizontal stay captured.
slowhike
10-23-2009, 05:47
Just for an idea, check out the way the stays are held in & taken out of the Thermarest chairs. The one I have, has an over lap of webbing.
Hey Guys,
This is just too good an idea not to try it out.
The best pack gets even better. ;)
I will leave them one piece and work out a good way to easily get them in out and back in the pack sleeves.
Having spreader bars with me at all times will be handy for those times when I want to really open up the internal volume of the SB.
I like the visibility this hammock appears to have.
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5884&d=1254782064
Cheers,
Darrel :D
Are the spreader bars in this image the stock length of the MMP?
Hey Hogn8r,
They are currently within one inch of each other.
22" on the spreader bars Vs 23 On the MMP spars.
We figure we can easily shorten our MMP spars to serve double duty as spreader bars on the SB.
Cool !
Cheers,
Darrel :)
dstenberg1
10-29-2009, 21:45
Another idea for dual use would be to make an attachment to use trekking poles as spreader bars. The problem would be their width, but it could be a good idea to come up with an attachment to use different length spreader bars.
Your product looks great! Good luck with the business!
We have just made and shipped the first 1.9 single layer Switchback. Here are the specs:
Hammock only 22 oz.
Hammock with suspension rope, descending rings and Bishop Bag 25 3/4 oz.
Rigged with net suspension and shock cord for tie outs 26 5/8 oz.
Cheers, Dale
Cannibal
10-31-2009, 19:50
We have just made and shipped the first 1.9 single layer Switchback.
Sounds like somebody has good taste.:D;)
Hows the website coming?
Painfully off schedule :scared:
John & I have been busy with unavoidable issues. We planned on being done with them by now but it wasn't to be. We should be able to concentrate on the e store this week.
Cheers, Dale
bigfoot2
11-01-2009, 21:48
Oh, joy.
I'm next in line to get my wife's HOT PINK friggin' Switchback :o
Seriously, i think it'll be one VERY unique hammock. The guys said "...the Switchback will be visible from the space shuttle." :thumbup: This just means she HAS to loosen the purse strings for some gear I want...right ? :unsure:
BF:cool:
I have been trying to figure out the tie outs. I can see the left one in the pics but teh right one doesn't. So where is the location compared wth the left side. Sorry if this has been covered for I didn't really read the entire thread. Looks like a real nice hammock. I just don't want to wait until the winter hang to see it.
Hey Dutch,
It may be helpful to think of this hammock as not having a left or right side... not having a head end or a foot end.
"Switchback" implies that you can switch ends during the hang without exiting the hammock.
The tie outs are located in the same location on both sides.
If facing either side it would be on the right and approximately 1/3 of the way towards the center from the right side gathered end.
Cheers,
Darrel :)
smithobx
11-04-2009, 10:26
I have been trying to figure out the tie outs. I can see the left one in the pics but teh right one doesn't. So where is the location compared wth the left side. Sorry if this has been covered for I didn't really read the entire thread. Looks like a real nice hammock. I just don't want to wait until the winter hang to see it.
Dutch, Darrel is right, the tieouts are located 16 in. from the long end( the hammock is not cut rectangularly) on both sides. That positioning maximizes the interior space and gives you more elbow room. Hope to see you at Mt. Rodgers.--John
do you do custom work. I am looking at the 1.1 hammock only, no zipp no ridge line , just the hammock body, gnome (you can pm me)
Yea, My switchback is done and ready to ship.!!!
1.9 single layer in Black.
Will share first impressions as soon as it arrives.;)
Cheers,
Darrel ( Happy camper in Michigan) :D
MacEntyre
11-05-2009, 13:43
...switchback is done...
Will share first impressions...
I eagerly await your review, Darrel!
- MacEntyre
bigfoot2
11-11-2009, 14:28
The "Pink Panther" is in the mail!! That means she will let me get some new gear soon!!
BF:cool:
I eagerly await your review, Darrel!
- MacEntyre
Hey Mac,
Please see:
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11818
Darrel :D
What's the status of your website? Inquiring minds want to see more!:laugh:
What's the status of your website? Inquiring minds want to see more!:laugh:
It seems I will have the time needed now to finish the site. This Nor' Easter has temporarily suspended the sewing action. My shop had 12" of water in it this morning and they say the worst is yet to come. So we will take advantage of this by concentrating on the site. As they say "Every cloud has a silver lining".
Cheers, Dale
bigfoot2
11-14-2009, 07:53
Dale,
I just wanted to let you know that we got the hammock yesterday. It is not the "hot pink" color that we were expecting, but my wife absolutely loves it anyway!! It looks more like a neon pinkish-red color to us, but we have yet to set it up outside. As a matter of fact, I like the color as a cheery winter hammock and it would make a great survival flag if you had to use it as such. You might be getting another order from ME soon. The hammock is HUGE!! Reminds me of a more colorful winter MSR tent. Should be easy to see when you are coming back into camp.Very nice workmanship (better than my WBBB...and that's saying something!). Not one stitch out of place! My wife and i will set it up on Saturday after work and take some pictures , weather permitting. Again, thanks so much and kudos on a job well done!!
BF:cool:
Any info on the expected weight of the 1.1 Dbl? Thanks!
The Switchback is looking better'n'better to me. (though NOT pink :scared::scared: )I'm falling under a spell, I think!:rolleyes:
Hey everyone I am a noob...However Bigfoot is my hubby so he has been helping me around the site a bit. He asked me to post about my new Pink Panther so here goes.....
I have to say I absolutely love this hammock, while I am a noob to "hanging" , I have tried BF's WBBB and I personally love the Panther so much better. Inside is HUGE!! you can toss and turn with ease, The spreader bars allow for a more roomy feeling especially for those who may be slightly closterphobic.:eek:
BF doesn't like the stuff sack, he feels it needs to be open on both sides like WBBB for ease of stuffing and placing the suspension inside. We both feel it needs more velcro closures to keep the layers together a bit better. It did not come with reflective zipper pulls on the outside zippers either. ;)
Both the WBBB and the Panther are 1.7 double layer with stock webbing suspension and dutch clips.
I love the ability to tie up the webbing and use the Panther as a chair. I do not feel tippy at all and can move freely even in a sitting position. I like the inside pockets I am diabetic so I easily put my supplies in either of the two huge pockets and have another to spare for a book and headlamp. The quality and construction is fantastic with a lot of attention to details. While it has been labeled as "hot" pink it isn't an obnoxious color it really is a more red/pink then a pink pink and would be awesome for hanging in winter during hunting season you would easily be seen in it.
Here is a link to the detailed pics we took today.
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/album.php?u=4926
I hope this helps and will add if anyone has a question/comment.
BTW thanks for having me and can't wait to get to know some of you all!!
Hey Tweety,
Welcome to the forum and thanks for your report on the Pink Panther!
I have had My Switchback for a while now and have slept in it several times.
I am very happy with it and strongly suspect we will be seeing quite a few more of these showing up on the forum now that we have some favorable reports coming back in from the field. These are very fine and are should be on everyone's short list to audition.;)
I never thought anything would come along to better my Blackbird but the Switchback certainly has for me.
Thanks for the pictures. That really is a nice color... Must admit to having my doubts when I first heard about it :scared::D
Cheers,
Darrel :D
bigfoot2
11-17-2009, 13:30
One note about Tweetie's pictures and weights:
It was a direct comparison to my DL 1.7 WBBB, which weighed 2.6 lbs w/suspension and Dutch clips VS.T2T DL Switchback at 2.13 lbs. w/Dutch clips and spreader bars. The picture of the hammock on the scale is of my WBBB.
The inner rip-stop on the Switchback is 1.7, the pink outer, i do not know the weight of...
The Switchback is a super hammock, just not for me. Too fussy for my taste, too heavy and i feel it needs a structural ridgeline. My wife adores it, though, so i am happy as a clam with it. Great job on the workmanship.
BF:cool:
OMGosh....Nag nag nag....Here I fixed it hunny bunny LOL. I posted the corrected pictures and added the one with the Panther's weight. Sorry guys!!! LOL
Scottybdiving
12-12-2009, 12:17
I am interested in ordering a Switchback hammock for my wife. I have tried to email TTT Gear a couple days ago, but have not received a response. Maybe they are out hammocking. Is this the only method for contacting them?
Grillmastertoo
12-12-2009, 18:07
I have emailed them a few times and gotten quick answers....the address i used was
[email protected]
I would try again as maybe you got filtered out somehow....
Scottybdiving
12-12-2009, 21:52
Will do. I thought maybe they had a new website or other means of communication.
Scottybdiving
12-13-2009, 17:55
I would recommend a tarp with a minimum ridge length of 144". The tarps we are making have a ridge length 156". The cat cut camo (1.9) tarp I had at Hot Springs has a 144" ridge length and did a great job with falling rain, but a blowing rain might of caused issues, so we decided to add 12" to the cat cut tarp. The diamond tarp that Smithobx was using at Hot Springs has a ridge length of 156". We will be making both styles in 1.1 & 1.9.
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Do you think a winter Tarp with doors and an 11' ridgeline work for the Switchback? Are you offering a winter tarp for the Switchback?
Do you think a winter Tarp with doors and an 11' ridgeline work for the Switchback? Are you offering a winter tarp for the Switchback?
The winter tarp (Speer ?) should work with the Switchback. It will be close but should be fine. We will be developing a winter tarp in the near future but right now our priority is current orders (we are behind :()
Cheers, Dale
Mustardman
12-14-2009, 12:42
If you're worried about the length of an 11' tarp for the switchback, the extra length of a 12x10 winter tarp can be really nice. I got my first from OES, and then my fiance sewed one very similar to it for herself, but with some clever tricks that I won't go into here.
canoebie
12-14-2009, 12:47
If you're worried about the length of an 11' tarp for the switchback, the extra length of a 12x10 winter tarp can be really nice. I got my first from OES, and then my fiance sewed one very similar to it for herself, but with some clever tricks that I won't go into here.
I just want to pitch the 12X10 option as well. I did one DIY and I use it when I anticipate really nasty weather canoeing. It is wonderful. I have been through rain, freezing rain, snow, etc. and with the side pull outs, I had lots of room and stayed really dry. I was also able to bring the corners in for addtional wind protection. I used 1.9 ripstop as I am paddling with it. For backpacking I will make one using Sil. It is just a straight rectangle, and it held up to 60 mph winds. I use a Claytor JH under it, similar in design to the switchback. It seems like pure luxury when the weather is bad and I can sit and cook and watch the world go by while my buddies are huddled in their nylon caves called tents.
Scottybdiving
12-14-2009, 17:31
If you're worried about the length of an 11' tarp for the switchback, the extra length of a 12x10 winter tarp can be really nice. I got my first from OES, and then my fiance sewed one very similar to it for herself, but with some clever tricks that I won't go into here.
I couldn't find a designated winter tarp on their website. Is this just a 12 x 10 with the ends folded over to make doors or do they have one that is designed to function that way. I favor cat cut tarps.
Mustardman
12-14-2009, 17:43
It's a semi custom tarp, although Brian has made several of them so far. It's a 12x10 with the same basic cat cut layout as the Speer winter tarp. On mine, I also had a few extra tieouts added for some special pitches.
Grillmastertoo
12-14-2009, 19:40
SO, am I hearing that longer is better when it comes to tarps? I hope to have a Switchback soon and will need to add a big tarp to my collection. Im thinking of the superfly, but not sure if it will accomadate the SB?
If someone made a >13' tarp would people be interested?
BlackGoat
12-14-2009, 20:19
SO, am I hearing that longer is better when it comes to tarps? I hope to have a Switchback soon and will need to add a big tarp to my collection. Im thinking of the superfly, but not sure if it will accomadate the SB?
If someone made a >13' tarp would people be interested?
You may want to take a look at the Winter Dream by Backwoods Daydreamer. He is a member here, and if any tarp would fit the Switch Back I would believe it would be one of his. He also appears to be willing to do custom work and could probably make you one as long as you want.
http://backwoodsdaydreamer.webs.com/tarps.htm
Grillmastertoo
12-14-2009, 20:25
what reason would people not want a larger tarp other than weight? i would think i would rather have the extra size and not need it rather than need it and not have it....
however, i have been in areas where the underbrush was thick and the tarp i have now (claytor diamond camo tarp) was hard to pitch due to the under brush...
just looking for opinions.....
sclittlefield
12-15-2009, 21:12
what reason would people not want a larger tarp other than weight? i would think i would rather have the extra size and not need it rather than need it and not have it....
however, i have been in areas where the underbrush was thick and the tarp i have now (claytor diamond camo tarp) was hard to pitch due to the under brush...
just looking for opinions.....
Looks like you got the main two reasons. Weight and the rare, but occasional, limited pitching options.
The other one would be bulk. There's really not much of a difference in bulk between a 14oz Hex tarp and a 22oz huge tarp, but there is some. If you're going for the tiniest pack with the lowest weight in it, then you want a more minimal tarp.
Personally, I like a large tarp where I have good coverage if a crazy storm sweeps in. I'll carry the extra few ounces. But I'm not a gram weenie... more of a pound weenie.
MedicineMan
12-15-2009, 23:09
with the advent of spinnUL and cuben we hammock consumers can now have tarps that are 30% larger than before for the same given weight-progress is a wonderful thing.
warbonnetguy
12-16-2009, 00:04
11Lx10w is a pretty darn big tarp. you'd get more coverage with 11x10 than 12x9 for instance. 11' long seems pretty standard for the large winter tarps, most hammock ridgelines are usually somewhere between 8-9', so an 11' tarp gives you more than a foot past the hammock on either end. i don't believe the switchback is any longer than that, i believe it's only a 10' hammock, so if you hang it with a normal amount of sag it should be 8-9' in length. many folks are using ridgelines closer to 8'-8.5' for a 10' hammock.
adding a foot in length to a hex tarp can give more end coverage, but so can going with a rectangle instead of a hex, or going with a hex with doors. the latter 2 options will both add more end coverage than simply going with a longer hex.
Scottybdiving
12-16-2009, 07:21
i believe it's only a 10' hammock, so if you hang it with a normal amount of sag it should be 8-9' in length. many folks are using ridgelines closer to 8'-8.5' for a 10' hammock.
I was going to ask that question. Is the Switchback measured 120" while stretched out or while hanging. If while stretched out, what is the length while hanging and shouldn't that determine the length of the tarp?
I was going to ask that question. Is the Switchback measured 120" while stretched out or while hanging. If while stretched out, what is the length while hanging and shouldn't that determine the length of the tarp?
The Switchback is 10' long laid flat. The actual hanging length will vary. Some folks like more sag than others. A 11' tarp should work with it. You will just have to pay a little more attention to centering the tarp & hammock together.
Cheers, Dale
Scottybdiving
12-16-2009, 09:24
Thanks Dale. I think I'm going to order a modified BWD with 12' ridgeline.
canoebie
12-16-2009, 10:06
Good move, I think you will be really happy with the 12 ft. ridgeline.
Well... I shot them off an email about getting on the waiting list...
Counselor
01-02-2010, 23:00
GEt in line behind me Opie!
Counseler... I got a reply... But not much information....
How long is the wait time right now?
Counselor
01-05-2010, 19:39
Counseler... I got a reply... But not much information....
How long is the wait time right now?
I had an initial reply when i asked - but haven't heard back this year.
Scottybdiving
01-05-2010, 21:45
I am awaiting an invoice for shipment on a 1.9 SL that I ordered on 12/14. I haven't received a reply to my recent email. Hopefully they are busy and we will hear from them soon.
bigfoot2
01-05-2010, 22:42
Wow... I see a trend.
I am sorry to hear this.
When i ordered my wife's PINK Switchback last fall, they were very prompt and answered every e-mail in a timely fashion. The hammock arrived just when they said it would. I got great service from them but have not contacted them since except to send them some action shots for their website (which i don't think is up yet). YMMV.
Super awesome hammock, by the way :boggle:
BF:cool:
Scottybdiving
01-05-2010, 22:57
My hammock was supposed to be ready in "about two weeks". That would have been 12/28 but the holidays play a big role. I do know how difficult it is to get anything out of suppliers. My other two current transactions are having the same problems, only their respective vendors have been upfront and responsive. I am not giving up yet nor jumping to conclusions.
Hey Everyone ,
I do apologize for the lack of communication. I have been swamped with work at my pub. We had a few people take some time off for the Holidays so I got called to duty. Getting to bed at 4 am really screwed up my schedule. I am back on track now. I will be answering all emails tonight.
Cheers, Dale
bigfoot2
01-06-2010, 01:26
Hey Everyone ,
I do apologize for the lack of communication. I have been swamped with work at my pub. We had a few people take some time off for the Holidays so I got called to duty. Getting to bed at 4 am really screwed up my schedule. I am back on track now. I will be answering all emails tonight.
Cheers, Dale
Good to hear it! Now...how about a no net Switchback with a dedicated ridgeline :boggle:
BF:cool:
MedicineMan
01-06-2010, 01:27
Recieved my SwitchBack last week, quality product. For those waiting, relax,it will get there...just bear with these guys. It's a good hammock, you'll like it. Last week I played with it and a PeaPod just for fun, posted pics in the gal.
Hey Everyone ,
I do apologize for the lack of communication. I have been swamped with work at my pub. We had a few people take some time off for the Holidays so I got called to duty. Getting to bed at 4 am really screwed up my schedule. I am back on track now. I will be answering all emails tonight.
Cheers, Dale
Dale... Thank you for the message and the Email response.
Scottybdiving
01-06-2010, 07:33
I received notice that my hammock will ship on Thur. Considering the holidays, I find this within an acceptable window of our agreement. Can't wait to see it with the new 3 season Incubator, and the BDWD with 12' ridgeline, which should both arrive in the next week.
Thanks Dale.
Now...how about a no net Switchback with a dedicated ridgeline.
Amen, bring it on, and sign me up!
bigfoot2
01-06-2010, 12:29
Amen, bring it on, and sign me up!
Well, Darby?
How about making one for me in 1.7 DL? Should be easier than a full on Switchback. How about YELLOW...then i can say i own a "banana hammock" :D That A-Peals to me........
BF:cool:
We are considering a net-less Switchback. As soon as we get caught up on the orders we will make a prototype for evaluation.
Cheers, Dale
MacEntyre
01-07-2010, 14:42
...how about a no net Switchback with a dedicated ridgeline :boggle:
How about a no net SB without a dedicated ridgeline! :boggle::thumbup:
:cool:
How about a no net SB without a dedicated ridgeline!
I'd be happy either way: with or without a ridgeline. Just so long as the net is gone. I hear that hammock is VERY roomy!
Cannibal
01-07-2010, 14:48
I hear that hammock is VERY roomy!
It's big with the bugnet!:cool:
Allright.. Im on the list, payment sent!!
Grillmastertoo
01-07-2010, 19:18
i just got mine in the mail!!!! i cant wait to get it out of the box and see how it hangs...i cant wait....
bigfoot2
01-08-2010, 18:00
We are considering a net-less Switchback. As soon as we get caught up on the orders we will make a prototype for evaluation.
Cheers, Dale
I'd like to be first in line for that netless Switchback with the ridgeline. I'll take your prototype...consider it SOLD!
BF:cool:
Scottybdiving
01-13-2010, 17:40
Mine just arrived. I hope I can get home before dark.
Scotty... Looking forward to pics and a brief review.
Scottybdiving
01-14-2010, 07:49
I got home after dark but hung it anyway. It may be the weekend before I get to see it in the daylight. Man, is it big. I wasn't able to observe the details, but I like what I could see.
I was looking at the photos, early on in this topic, to determine where the netting suspension cords were attached. It looks like they are attached to the tree above the hammock's suspension. I'm thinking of a way to attach them to the tarp's ridgeline, maybe. Can't wait to receive the Incubator and Winter Dream to try out with it.
bigbamaguy
01-14-2010, 14:10
Scottyb:
I have the Winter Dream that I use with my Clark NX-200. I use a over the tarp ridgeline/prussik set-up on the tarp. I attach a small Nite-Ize "S" beiner to the tarp ridgeline points, attached shock cord to the hammock bugnetting/weather shield points and then run the shock cord to the beiner. The shock cord is adjustable by using a cord lock. I found I had to do this if I was pitched on a slope. If you don't like the "S" beiner you could always go with a toggle set-up with sticks you find laying around camp.
Scottybdiving
01-14-2010, 15:44
That sounds like what I was thinking. Mine came with the shock cord already attached to the bug netting. Seems like the smallest biner would work since there's not much tension.
bigbamaguy
01-14-2010, 16:14
That is the one that I use. I got a three pack Academy for about $5. use the left over as a spare and as a way to keep my exterior pockets from opening on my pack.
smithobx
01-15-2010, 10:16
That sounds like what I was thinking. Mine came with the shock cord already attached to the bug netting. Seems like the smallest biner would work since there's not much tension.
Scotty, I like the smallest fig. 9's for the netting suspension, very light and versatile. -John
Mud__Bone
01-15-2010, 18:13
I'd LOVE to see some pic's from anyone hehe and of course your thoughts as well. very much wanna see it set up with tarp. I wonder about pitch angle of tarp with the spreaders on, and thus coverage amount. guessing this needs a very large tarp 12x12 or so.... click away folks :)
Scottybdiving
01-15-2010, 19:40
I hope to set it up with my modified Winter Dream (12') and take some photos, this weekend. It has been raining all day and I haven't seam sealed the tarp yet.
I'd LOVE to see some pic's from anyone hehe and of course your thoughts as well. very much wanna see it set up with tarp. I wonder about pitch angle of tarp with the spreaders on, and thus coverage amount. guessing this needs a very large tarp 12x12 or so.... click away folks :)
Here are a couple from Hotsprings :
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7618
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7620
The Switchback under the tan tarp was set-up using the A-frame configuration (no spreader bars). The Switchback under the camo tarp was set-up using our spreader bars. The tan tarp is 13' L (ridge length), not sure of exact width. The camo tarp is 12' L (ridge length) x 10' W.
Cheers, Dale
Scottybdiving
01-17-2010, 19:14
I finally got to set up the switchback. The 12' Winter Dream is none too large for this hammock. The rings on the suspension are only about 3" inside the doors, if properly centered. I didn't have the tarp perfectly centered over the hammock and you can see the rings outside the doors on one end. They are about 6" inside the doors on the other end. I also have the tarp a little high due to the spreaders. I removed the spreaders and lowered the tarp. I think this will be necessary for a cold weather setup in order to get the tarp down low to the ground.
I think I probably just did the ugliest job of seem sealing of all time. It was my 1st and I didn't spare any sealer. I suppose if it works, it really doesn't matter. Strictly due to my ignorance, I didn't know the tarp required sealing when I ordered it, and only discovered it by someone's post about it. I really like the tarp and think it will be very weather proof. It will take some practice to learn how to space the stakes so that the doors close properly.
The incubator looks great. It has some serious loft and is a beautiful piece. I was not exactly sure how to attach it to the Switchback. I ended up connecting the shock cords to the suspension rings with a biner for now, and was able to cinch the ends to fit snugly. I think it will be great if it's not too warm for Kristen, for 3 season use.
The only hammock I have experience with is my WBBB 1.7 DL. The Switchback 1.9 SL seems to stretch a lot when I get in it. In fact, the first time I sat in it, it touched the ground. Is this a function of a SL over a DL or does it have something to do with the lack of a structural ridgeline?
Check out how the Kelty Striptease lit up from the camera's flash.
Mud__Bone
01-17-2010, 19:26
thx for pics it helps. ..Darby, Scottybdiving. If I may, I suggest give tarp size when post pic's, maker/model even if not myog.
looking good there Scott :) uq? nice looking hound ya got there too :)
Darby I love that cat cut camo :))) any and all info is appreciated.
any other new owners ? pic's , thoughts? keep em comin'
Peace
Darby said they are starting on mine this week...
:thumbup1:
I finally got to set up the switchback. The 12' Winter Dream is none too large for this hammock. The rings on the suspension are only about 3" inside the doors, if properly centered. I didn't have the tarp perfectly centered over the hammock and you can see the rings outside the doors on one end. They are about 6" inside the doors on the other end. I also have the tarp a little high due to the spreaders. I removed the spreaders and lowered the tarp. I think this will be necessary for a cold weather setup in order to get the tarp down low to the ground.
I think I probably just did the ugliest job of seem sealing of all time. It was my 1st and I didn't spare any sealer. I suppose if it works, it really doesn't matter. Strictly due to my ignorance, I didn't know the tarp required sealing when I ordered it, and only discovered it by someone's post about it. I really like the tarp and think it will be very weather proof. It will take some practice to learn how to space the stakes so that the doors close properly.
The incubator looks great. It has some serious loft and is a beautiful piece. I was not exactly sure how to attach it to the Switchback. I ended up connecting the shock cords to the suspension rings with a biner for now, and was able to cinch the ends to fit snugly. I think it will be great if it's not too warm for Kristen, for 3 season use.
The only hammock I have experience with is my WBBB 1.7 DL. The Switchback 1.9 SL seems to stretch a lot when I get in it. In fact, the first time I sat in it, it touched the ground. Is this a function of a SL over a DL or does it have something to do with the lack of a structural ridgeline?
Check out how the Kelty Striptease lit up from the camera's flash.
Hey Scott,
I think what you are experiencing is initial stretch of fabric and straps. The SL will stretch more so you will need to keep that in mind during set-up, but it should not stretch as much after the first few hangs. Are you using a back-up knot behind the rings ? After running the strap through the rings I "flip" the strap back through the hole in the rings and then tie a half hitch behind the rings.
Cheers, Dale
thx for pics it helps. ..Darby, Scottybdiving. If I may, I suggest give tarp size when post pic's, maker/model even if not myog.
looking good there Scott :) uq? nice looking hound ya got there too :)
Darby I love that cat cut camo :))) any and all info is appreciated.
any other new owners ? pic's , thoughts? keep em comin'
Peace
The tarps are still in the testing phase. Unfortunately, that camo is currently unavailable through our suppliers. It is 1.9 PU coated. The last shipment we ordered has a "tan" coating on the inside which makes it very durable but very heavy. We will be offering our tarps in 1.1 sil (sorry,no camo :() and 1.9 PU coated.
Cheers, Dale
Scottybdiving
01-17-2010, 20:18
Hey Scott,
I think what you are experiencing is initial stretch of fabric and straps. The SL will stretch more so you will need to keep that in mind during set-up, but it should not stretch as much after the first few hangs. Are you using a back-up knot behind the rings ? After running the strap through the rings I "flip" the strap back through the hole in the rings and then tie a half hitch behind the rings.
Cheers, Dale
Dale, 1st let me say that I love the Switchback. I am extremely pleased with the construction and the little extras like the zipper pulls. I may/may not get to use it a lot, since it will primarily be Kristen's hammock. Having zippers on both sides and the ability to sleep either directtion will be a bonus.
I did use a 1/2 hitch on the straps. It just stretched a lot more than I was accustomed with the other hammock. I will take that into consideration on setting up, at least for the first few times.
stormcrow
01-17-2010, 20:35
That is a great looking setup there Scott. Let me know if you have any problems getting your quilt to fit the new hammock. We will get it figured out ;). That switchback is SOOO roomy!
Scottybdiving
01-17-2010, 23:15
Adam, at first I was in a quandry. I couldn't figure out how to attach the side shock cords to the hammock, since the gathered end is a rope through a channel. I finally decided to use a biner and attach it to the suspension rings. Then I had Kristen lay in the hammock and attached the center shock cords to the same biner. Then I adjusted the shock cords on each end until they fit snugly. It seems that the quilt is snug to the hammock and no gaps for air to leak in. It will get a real test next weekend at Enchanted Rock SP.
I have a question about pockets. Would it be possible to sew in pockets such as the one in this little sketch. The small rectangles are obviously the existing pockets. I'd love to have a pocket large enough to stuff a jacket in one end and perhaps shoes in the other end. I think the Switchback is long enough to accomodate pockets such as these. I'd willingly pay more to have then made. These pockets would be on the inside of the hammock.
Miguel
GroundHog
01-28-2010, 20:37
Miguel, there is a loop inside each end at the center, I have the small "S" biners on mine and I use it to attach my small pillow. You could get a small stuff or mesh sack with a "D" ring on it to put your items in, and then just clip it to that loop.
Got mine today... This is a serious piece of gear. Hopefully Ill get to set it up this weekend.
Any web site for TtTTG yet? (or is that T4G?)
BER, I dont think so.
Anyway... I got mine set up tonight... Swapped out the ropes and webbing for whoopies, of course.
Once I got it set up... It took all of 5 minutes for lights out. Very comfortable....
Tomorrow comes time to see about an ASRL. Im also thinking the lines that keep the bug net up can be swapped out for 1.75 whoopies and hooked directly to your webbing. Since theres shock cord there, it wont be difficult to adjust either in or out and will speed up set-up while eliminating the need to tie knots.
O-P
No pics yet? Heh heh..:D
Miguel, there is a loop inside each end at the center, I have the small "S" biners on mine and I use it to attach my small pillow. You could get a small stuff or mesh sack with a "D" ring on it to put your items in, and then just clip it to that loop.
Thanks...the clip alone is a great idea. I'm definitely ordering one before spring.
oldyellahide
01-30-2010, 03:31
Is there a website or does anyone have pictures or description/specs of the switchback hammock? Thanks.
gargoyle
01-30-2010, 05:26
Is there a website or does anyone have pictures or description/specs of the switchback hammock? Thanks.
check page #1 of this thread!;) You should find lots of info.
Buckeyebuck
01-30-2010, 12:22
OK, I'm intrigued.
After a recent equipment failure I find myself possibly in the market for a new hammock. The obvious choice to replace my HH UL Explorer was the WBBB. I liked the idea of the roominess and flay lay that people had described. I occasionally sleep on my sides. Can anyone advise how flat this hammock is to the WBBB? I did not see it in the prior pages. If I missed it, forgive me.
Cinci.... I dont have a WBBB, but I do have a traveler and I can get just as flat in the Switchback as I can the traveler.
I wonder if the loops on either end will support a structural RL.
babelfish5
01-31-2010, 12:40
What are the weight limits on the new hammocks?
I wonder if the loops on either end will support a structural RL.
Hey Opie,
I wouldn't advise using those loops for anything structural. They are GG ribbon. Their intended use is for clothes/gear bags. You would also lose a lot of head room with a SRL. If you really desire a SRL, how about attaching it to the Woopie Slings and suspending the net from it ?
Cheers, Dale
BillyBob58
01-31-2010, 22:57
OK, as more of you folks start using this hammock, the million dollar question for me: how is the calf/leg pressure, from any foot end center ridge, when on the diagonal?
OK, as more of you folks start using this hammock, the million dollar question for me: how is the calf/leg pressure, from any foot end center ridge, when on the diagonal?
Hey BillyBob,
I would love to answer this for you, but I will let someone unbiased do so.
Cheers, Dale
Hey Opie,
I wouldn't advise using those loops for anything structural. They are GG ribbon. Their intended use is for clothes/gear bags. You would also lose a lot of head room with a SRL. If you really desire a SRL, how about attaching it to the Woopie Slings and suspending the net from it ?
Cheers, Dale
OK, dont use the loops.
I think having it high enough to support the net would negate its ridgeline properties. I think it would be to high.
I was also thinking about going through the net. I know that would work, just have to keep the hole as small as possible.
As far as headroom, once your in the hammock, there's plenty of headroom. For me anyway.
OK, as more of you folks start using this hammock, the million dollar question for me: how is the calf/leg pressure, from any foot end center ridge, when on the diagonal?
I just spent 3 nights in it set up in my living room. First nite was a little rough getting it dialed in.
The rest of the nites were perfect. While on my back I was able to stretch out on the diagonal with no more calf/leg pressure than my traveler, ENO or DIY. I was able to easily go from stretched out on the diagonal to fetal and back with no issues.
Im 6'3, 265 and I was sleeping in a sleeping bag, no UQ. I think the SB in the hammock facilitated rolling around and moving easier than if I had not had it, but it also hampered getting my feet to find that "pocket" at the foot end because of all the bulk.
All in all... very nice. With the net tied up it was not in the way. Construction is top notch. Its roomy and comfortable. I did not have the side tieouts deployed and it was still plenty roomy.
BillyBob58
02-01-2010, 13:06
Hey BillyBob,
I would love to answer this for you, but I will let someone unbiased do so.
Cheers, Dale
Thanks, Dale, I understand! My number one problem with gathered end hammocks is lower leg pressure when on the diagonal. Though the degree of discomfort varies quite a bit from hammock to hammock, and frustratingly from one night to the next with the same hammock! I think I am more sensitive to that than most for some reason. Other than that, I can be really comfortable in quite a few different hammocks. And having something under my knees pretty well solves the problem with all hammocks, but it would be nice to not have to bother with that.
fly fisher
06-08-2010, 10:10
This Switchback hammock looks great. I was looking to get another hammock. Blackbird? Switchback? Now, I don't know....
I have the following questions for anyone to answer...
Does a double layered bottom hammock provide a flatter lay than it's single layer counterpart? I've think I've read elsewhere that this is true.
Is this because a double layer stretches less? Or, what?
I think I'd prefer a flatter lay in a hammock. But, I'm not sure because I haven't been able to compare various hammocks. In my Hennessy Expedition, I find that my body, bag and pad end up sliding down into a pile at the lowest part of the hammock.
Do most hangars prefer a flatter lay?
Besides providing a "pocket" to place an insulating pad and increasing load capacity, what are the advantages of a double layer over a single layer? I'm guessing a double layer would also be slightly warmer and more durable than a single layer.
Any comments would be appreciated.
fly fisher
NW Montana
millarky
06-08-2010, 10:48
Welcome! For what its worth I have a Switchback double and love it. Being my first ever hammock, I can't comment on flatness of lay of the single. I got the double to use pads in the pocket but I have since gone to UQs; I found I don't much care for pads. If I'm not flatish it hurts my knees. Once I got the sag right, I was able to lay pretty flat. I literally said aloud in the campground last weekend "so this is what everyone's talking about!" Sag is critical. I haven't figured out yet how to do a structural ridge line in the SB to replicate sag each time without having the line in my face though. Anyway, the Switchback is a super roomy and well made hammock.
Cannibal
06-08-2010, 11:09
The main reason for the development of the double layer hammock (I think) was to aid in the war against flying-biting critters. They can't get through the double layer; a single layer is no problem for them. Using it as a pad sleeve was just a natural side-benefit that has grown in popularity. Most hammocks you find that call themselves "Jungle Hammocks" are double layered, that's what has formed my opinion.
Flatness is gained with the double layer hammocks, but I don't think it's much. Course, everybody has a different tolerance to stretch and I'm pretty tolerant of it, so I might not be the best person to ask. :blush:
I refused to make a choice between the Blackbird and the Switchback; I just bought them both and was done with it. :D Push comes to shove, the Blackbird edges out the Switchback IMO, but not without a fight. The Switchback feels roomier inside, don't know if it is, but it feels that way. I like the shelf on the Blackbirds better than the pockets on the Switchback. They are both horribly well built hammocks, so quality is a near wash.
For me, I like the way the sides of the Blackbird snug me up in my hammock. Makes me feel all safe and secure. The Switchback doesn't wrap like the Blackbird does, so it does provide a better view.
I prefer my Blackbirds over my Switchback, but it's a close call. I don't think either one of these hammocks will be a purchase that you regret. In fact, the time has just about come for me to order a Switchback with a double layer. :cool:
Scottybdiving
06-08-2010, 11:18
I have a SB SL 1.9 and a WBBB DL 1.7. I think they are equal in comfort. The SB SL 1.9 stretches a lot but I have found the sweet spot and can get a very flat lay. It's primarily my wife's hammock but if I was solo, I would probably choose it for warm weather and the WBBB for winter. I love the ability to open both sides of the netting and roll it up while lounging or in the absence of bugs. The WBBB DL seems to stretch very little if any. The footbox and shelf are great features. I wish there was a mod for adding a zipper to the other side of the netting.
OldnSlow
06-10-2010, 20:02
I have the double layer 1.9, and have not had a better sleep in a hammock with any of the other three hammocks I own. ( HH safari, DD hammock, and Speer IIIc) I had huge assistance in the initial setup, as I picked up the hammock at Hot Springs in April. Dale dialed in the hammock, and I slept like a baby those nights! I found no problem with using a pad in the double layers, but am also experimenting with IX and climashield underquilts. The construction is superb, the knowledge base of John and Dale amazing, and materials first rate. I would certainly recommend this hammock to anyone.
I was not paid for this endorcement:lol:
John
fly fisher
06-14-2010, 14:36
Thanks for the thoughtful replies.
I think I'll try a double layer.
fly fisher
Jackalope
01-24-2011, 11:08
OK, dont use the loops.
I think having it high enough to support the net would negate its ridgeline properties. I think it would be to high.
I was also thinking about going through the net. I know that would work, just have to keep the hole as small as possible.
As far as headroom, once your in the hammock, there's plenty of headroom. For me anyway.
Hey Opie, fellow Michigander here thinking about gettin' myself a SB. Wonder if you cracked the code on the structural ridgeline yet?
Thanks