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bstylr29
07-16-2015, 14:33
Has anyone got any info on these?

111912

http://www.hammocktent.com/en

I've searched the site and haven't gotten very far... From what I've gathered WV made one similar and the EXPED Ergo is along the same lines. I want to mimic something along those lines and would rather make it myself...

Texas Hanger
07-17-2015, 10:22
https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php/110627-Has-Anyone-Tried-to-Build-a-Hammock-Like-This?highlight=angle+hammock

Here's a link to one I'm building. I was moving along with the build but life got in the way... The pile of fabric is starting to whisper my name again. :rolleyes:

Tex

vtaflyer
07-17-2015, 10:41
Interesting- a few questions-
1. How do you get into it- looks like it has to be from the head/foot, then crawl.
2. Shoulder-squeeze potential is high. Side sleeping looks good, though.

Different strokes, folks.... it's what makes the world interesting

BrianWillan
07-17-2015, 17:09
There's been a few of these style hammocks posted. Exped made one as did Amok Equipment (Draumr model). The latter one required a sleeping pad to make it work properly. I find the issue with these 90° hammocks is that they need a rather wide tarp to cover them. If one is after a really flat lay, then get yourself a bridge hammock.

Cheers

Brian

joe_guilbeau
07-17-2015, 19:28
Has anyone got any info on these?

111912

http://www.hammocktent.com/en

I've searched the site and haven't gotten very far... From what I've gathered WV made one similar and the EXPED Ergo is along the same lines. I want to mimic something along those lines and would rather make it myself...

With Google Chrome you can search <90 degree hammock> and when the search results return, look at the top of the Menu/ToolBar and select <Images>.

A picture is worth a ....well, you know the rest.

A video is even better...

https://youtu.be/XrLM8wUJpGk

Someone mention a tarp?

https://youtu.be/I1rEXSW1ZSA

WV
07-17-2015, 20:55
https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php/110627-Has-Anyone-Tried-to-Build-a-Hammock-Like-This?highlight=angle+hammock

Here's a link to one I'm building. I was moving along with the build but life got in the way... The pile of fabric is starting to whisper my name again. :rolleyes:

TexWell, there's a great name for the hammock once you build it: "Whispertex"!

Texas Hanger
07-19-2015, 10:31
Well, there's a great name for the hammock once you build it: "Whispertex"!

"Whispertex" Nice one WV!

I have a feeling that a more accurate name will be the "Triple T". The Texas Tipsy Tervey... :laugh:

accrete
07-19-2015, 15:31
THX for sharing the link to the 90DHT site. I enjoyed reading through the "About Us" page, and that the early design led to the Exped hammock and the creator has continued to tweak/design to this latest model away from Exped.

I found this thread as my wife and I went ahead and ordered (after patently waiting) two Amok Draumr v3 and appropriate Exped mat(s). This might sound crazy but the feature that sealed the deal for us was being able to comfortably also sit/lounge in the hammock/Amok over the other's we've seen to date. We do a lot of lounging in camp...like hours a day within earshot of the rivers we typically camp by (keeping leave-no-trace guidelines in tact). To us, our search was not necessarily sleep related, but rather all-around use (sleep/sit/lounge). Time will tell if the Amok v3 will satisfy my wife's lust to hang! And to think all I did was grab a couple ENO's last year from REI ; )

Cheers,
Thom

WV
07-19-2015, 20:07
Accrete, I look forward to your report because (a) you know what you're looking for, and (b) we'll have two opinions on the same type of gear used under the same conditions. (IMO that will make your review at least twice as useful as any others.) My experience with right-angle hammocks suggests that it may not be easy to enter and exit or sit facing "sideways" - I've had mixed results with different prototypes - but the 45° orientation of the Amok is supposed to make entry and exit easier. I haven't seen any comments on ease of lounging around, so tell us about it, and let us know how it is for sleeping, too.

bstylr29
07-30-2015, 09:47
I went ahead and pulled the trigger and got the wife to approve the budget... I ordered the Gamma UL... looking forward to the hang! I've got a Boy Scout camp out scheduled in a couple weeks, looks like it will be a good time to test it out!!!

NightHawk!
08-01-2015, 08:06
That is one wild hammock. looks comfortable, although none of my suspension or underquilts would work for it.

bstylr29
08-03-2015, 17:15
Oh happy days!!! The hammock showed up in the mail today! Put in on the scale and it came in at a whopping 18oz with suspension and stuff sack. I've got some 2nd gen Silpoly Green Tea from Ripstop to make a tarp for it. I'm shooting for a winter tarp!!! Trying to get it done before Friday for a Creeper Trail camp out with the scouts! I'll try and get some pics of it in the trees this weekend.

Floridahanger
08-03-2015, 17:51
With Google Chrome you can search <90 degree hammock> and when the search results return, look at the top of the Menu/ToolBar and select <Images>.

A picture is worth a ....well, you know the rest.

A video is even better...

https://youtu.be/XrLM8wUJpGk

Someone mention a tarp?

https://youtu.be/I1rEXSW1ZSA
That video really shows the well thought out design of the entry into the hammock. Just sit down and lift your legs since you are already in the middle of the hammock. I will keep an open mind and learn some more.

My concern would be after a pad is in the hammock, it will become more rigid and less able to scrunch to a little area. I hope this was also thought out because it may be a pain at 3am and a little loopy from being half awake. An UQ may be easier since it will give more I would think.

And the tarp may be the secret to using a tarp with single suspension on each side. Just use a Dutch Hook per side to attach each suspension line and use the wasp, flyz, fleaz ect. to adjust from the tarp tie out instead of from the tree side.

bstylr29
08-05-2015, 10:26
Thanks Floridahanger... I tested it out in the backyard and it's not as rigid as you might think. It might be the pad I'm using, Klymit Static V, but the lay is actually quite comfy. I didn't have enough room to get the recommended 9-13 feet but it went up without a hitch. Luke through in a suspension set and they are super easy to put up and adjust. The tarp is something else entirely... I've never worked with Silpoly before and didn't realize how thin this stuff is. I've probably removed over 15 yards of stitching because I didn't like the way it looked. I think I've got what I want now and am I'm almost done with it. I've ordered some cordlocs, reflective line and some hooks from Dutchware... they should be in the mailbox any day now... then all I'll have to do is seal it and pray!!! Goal is to have it done by Friday for a weekend at Creeper Trail, VA... wish me luck.

wagex
08-05-2015, 11:00
ok, so looking at it its basically our hammock but instead of laying at theangle we lay at it would be like using a super wide hamock with a high hangle and getting a perfectly flat lay imagine laying in your hammock like the way we use it as a chair. but it being so wide and high hangle that its flat and wide enough to sleep on. pretty genius idea really.

Gideon
08-12-2015, 18:16
What I'm supprised about is how lightweight they are. I've seen the Amok in person and checked out the specs and they're simply too heavy for me to ever consider backpacking with one but the UL version of this 90 Degree Hammock is just over 11 oz! I can already see how Dutchgear and some different suspension could improve, even lighten what they have going. Looks like (to me) that you could work out a quilt; especially one designed for a bridge hammock. I'm not running out tomorrow to buy one but this is the first alternative to a standard hammock that I've seen that could be viable for my purposes. Hope to hear detailed feedback from those of you who get one, to include videos!

Enjoy the day
Gideon

bstylr29
08-17-2015, 07:54
It's been a busy week... Camped at Beartree Lake near Creeper Trail last Friday-Sunday and got to test the 90 Degree Hammock. I went with the UL Gamma model and it is lite, I also got a set of his suspension rings. The whole set up takes a few minutes to figure it out, it goes up in a snap. Total weight with the hammock, suspension and stuff sack comes in at 18oz... With everything in the stuff sack it looks like a an overstuffed sock. I fabbed up my own winter tarp and that was its own learning experience. I need to do some tweaking but overall I'm happy with it. It weighed in at about 13oz. I also used my Klymit Static V sleeping pad at 19oz... so total sleep system minus the sleeping bag comes in at 50oz...

The camp out was great, we had a group site on a small creek and my hammock was the envy of the others in our group. I took some pics but I still need to download them, when I do I'll get them posted.

bstylr29
09-25-2015, 10:12
So my cell phone/camera and I had a disagreement and I lost all the pics I took from the last campout at Beartree Lake. I will be camping again next month, so I'll try and get some of the hammock and the tarp that fabbed up.

I am shifting from a bag to a quilt and had a question about under quilts. Do you think I would still need one since I am using the Klymit Static V, should I swap out my pad with an insulated one possibly another Static V or Nemo pad? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

energizer
01-15-2016, 09:30
Hi bstylr 29. I am new to the site and just ordered the Gamma UL. Wish I would have seen this post before ordering. How do you like it? Does the head to toe swing bother you? What cinched the deal was the weight.

myingon
01-15-2016, 18:50
"Whispertex" Nice one WV!

I have a feeling that a more accurate name will be the "Triple T". The Texas Tipsy Tervey... :laugh:

Now instead of rolling out on your hands and knees, you can fall out on your head. LOL

OlTrailDog
01-18-2016, 21:22
123072I received my 90* hammock the day before Christmas. I have been sleeping in it for most nights since then. I have it set up in the dog trot where the temperature ranges from 35F to 40F.

My other hammock is a WBRR that I can compare it with. So, I will start by throwing out random thoughts.


I like the smaller foot print, i.e. ridgeline setup length, compared to setting up my WBRR
I enjoy the head/toe swing. I fact I'm guilty of trying to get it to swing more as I lay there.
It needs more storage space in addition to the two small mesh storage pockets.
You can use the zippered head pocket access for more storage, but my pad is there.
Setting it up is simple enough.
I am fearful of sitting on the bug mesh as I get in and there needs to be a better way to protect the mesh. I just see a disaster coming in the middle of a dark and rainy night.
Believe me, you can not turn around and lay with your head in the feet location.
I am also very concerned about just how fast I can exit the hammock when I get hit with a case of leg cramps after a long hard hike. Something I contend with periodically.
I like the WBRR ease of entrance and exit on either side and not being hemmed in by bug mesh.
I spend most of my time sleeping on my side. The 90* excels at this and if far more comfortable than my WBRR. Much less shoulder and foot squeese. When you lay on your side the hammock shortens and widens to accomodate the side sleeper.
A con about the side sleeping is if you do not have a pad to hold the 90* hammock ends out it will tend to shrink to the middle and be less comfortable. This is solved with a pad holding the hammock body open.
The biggest con and almost a deal killer is the overall banana shape of the hammock. The head and foot arc slightly up. This is great on the head end because it holds the pillow and even may eliminate the need for a pillow. However, the curl on the foot end causes a little hyperextension of the knees if you lay for long periods on your back. This makes my knees uncomfortable. The way I, and the inventor, have dealt with this is to place a jacket or other soft bundle under the knees when laying for extended periods of time on you back. I never lay on my stomach.
It is much lighter than the Exped Ergo or the Amok.
I have spent every night assessing different pad configurations in preparation for a thru-hike. Following are a few of my conclusions thus far. First a pad is mandatory for the thru-hike for nights in mandatory shelters, hostels, or cowboy camping.
The best pad I've used is my Exped Downmat UL 7.
My Exped Downmat 7 LW works just as fine, but is heavier than I want to carry on a thru-hike.
The coldest nights I suffered from CBS were with a Thermarest Solite.
A night with a Sea to Summit Comfort lite mummy LW was CBS theater too.
I have not tried my Exped Synmat 7 UL MW yet because it is still new in the bag. I suspect the R rating will result in CBS at the temperatures I am currently using it.
Using my Arrowhead Ridgecreek from my WBRR would not conform to the outside of the hammock when I turned on my side and brought my feet up...equals...CBS.
I folded my Costco down throw in two, added ties and shock cord that could be used to loop to the suspension cords. The same results as the Arrowhead when laying on you side. Just say no to CBS.
Next I started experimenting with both the Arrowhead ridgecreek and the costco throw wrapped around a CCF. I put this inside the pad pocket and the CCF holds the UQ in place. Call this the UQ/CCF.
Both the AH Ridgecreek and Costco throw work great, simply great when used as a UQ/CCF combination. This is as comforatble as the Exped Downmat 7 UL MW. Perhaps even more so as the hammock conforms more to my body as I lay on my side. I like this a lot.
The UQ/Exped Synmat UL regular does not work. DO NOT use a regular width pad even with a UQ. Simply a poor night.
A UQ/CCF with a Walmart Blue LW was a very comfortable night.
Last night with a UQ/CCF a Evozote yellow 9.5 XL was superb. This is lighter and more compact than the Walmart Blue and may ultimately be the system I take on the thru-hike.
Tonight I am testing the Sea to Summit Comfort light with the UQ at the head end. The S2S comfort light doesn't come in rectangular and the other S2S are too heavy. I have flipped the S2S around so the wide mummy end is at the feet. My head and sholders will be kept warm by the UQ and the foot end of the S2S...We will see.
What I have planned in the future is to put a series of five small grommets in the pad pocket near the side top edge. I will thread shock cord attached to my UQ or Costco throw through these grommets and use a toggle to cinch the UQ snug to the pad pocket edge. This will work great, but I didn't want to modify the hammock while in the testing phase.
i have an ebay down retangular bag that I am going to sew to reduce to 35" square that will work as a down UQ for both my WBRR and 90* hammock.
I have purchase an Alcott pup tent for my border collie to use during inclement weather. She sleeps in it next to the hammock. I am thinking about replacing the arch poles with two short arrow shaft pieces to spread the top and are attached to the ridgeline near the suspension rings.
If my grommet UQ system works well I will use a torso length Evozote pad or the S2S comfort light for the thru-hike regardless if I take the 90* or the WBRR.
I will swap out the 90* suspension rings for some larger aluminum rap rings I have because they will be easier to adjust and remove.
I might even end up using my WBRR suspension with Dutch Kevlar straps. Testing waits arrival of Dutch straps.
I have a secret project for a CF tarp that i will let you know about in the future...if it works...teaser.
If all systems fail due to too much space and weight I will KISS and use my CF hextent, polycro, and S2S comfort light. Hanging takes second place to succeeding.
I forgot something, but i can't remember what it is?
Oh, yeah, I remembered. I should have posted each comment in a separate post so that I can make 50 comments and achieve the seller's quota quicker :rolleyes:

OlTrailDog
01-18-2016, 21:25
PS: if you use an Exped or S2S pad with the air valve in the middle either put it at the head end or turn it upside down. If not you just might unplug the valve with your feet in the middle of the night. Don't ask how I know.

WV
01-19-2016, 10:08
Great info, OTD. I'll ask one question per post so you can increase your count with individual replies. Do you plan to sell off some of the pads you tested when you narrow down your choice?

OlTrailDog
01-19-2016, 11:37
Actually, I do plan on selling some of my extraneous test gear. I have the Downmat 7 LW set to hit ebay on Thursday. I like it a lot for both my WBRR and the 90*, but since I have a Downmat 7 UL MW the LW it is a redundant piece of kit. At this point I don't plan on parting with either the WBRR or 90* cuz I like them both a lot and each has advantages.

I also plan on either putting the Thermarest Solite LW up on ebay as it is frankly too big for backpacking, or else cut it up into a shorter piece to use as the foot section and sit pad in conjunction with the Arrowhead Ridgecreek UQ.

I was going to put my WBRR Cloud Burst tarp up yesterday until I was blocked because I didn't have 50 posts...more of a reader than a talker. I just ordered a HG Winter Palace, so the Cloud Burst will be redundant too. Besides, at the ridiculous prices for CF gear, something has to go to afford the goodies, eh? I suppose I should have broken this up into separate posts too. :laugh:

Lastly, I am still on the fence about trying the Exped Synmat 7 UL MW since it is still new and unused. I know it will make a great summer pad, lighter than the Sea to Summit Comfort Light, and is rectangular versus mummy shaped. Last night I tested out the S2S Comfort lIght mummy in conjunction with the Arrowhead Ridgecreek UQ. I turned the pad so that the narrower foot end was at my head with the UQ wrapped around the edges with shock cords. It was simply a great night for warmth and sleeping. And since my system must account for both hanging and going to ground, I would chose this over the UQ/CCF Evozote option because the S2S may be heavier, but they don't even compare for comfort in the hammock or on the ground.

I know I've spent more bucks than I should on experimenting, but I really want to hang the thru-hike even though I know it will take more weight, space, and gear. Unfortunately, I simply can't stop by home once I am committed on the trail, nor do I plan on jettisoning gear in drop boxes. Therefore, now is the time to get the system tweaked for success.

Decisions, decisions.

WV
01-20-2016, 08:45
I suppose I should have broken this up into separate posts too. :laugh:


Yup. :lol:

I'll get back to you on some of the other questions. I wonder about not using drop boxes to resupply and/or send gear home. Seasonal differences seem to make that necessary for most thruhikers.

WV
01-20-2016, 10:42
About the banana shape you didn't like: I've made quite a few hammocks with multiple strings, including GE hammocks with strings on the ends, a true right-angle hammock with strings on the sides, and recently some bridge hammocks with the strings on the sides. All of these many strings have been adjustable with small whoopie slings built in. This can be done with any hollow braid line. I've used 120 lb test and 200 lb. test spectra fishing line and 200 lb test braided dacron kite line. The adjustability is the key to a comfortable sleeping position. Are the strings on your hammock such that you could shorten some on each side to lift the center of the hammock? Try using a small piece of 1/8" dowel through a slip knot on each line, and shorten half a dozen lines on each side. Go carefully, because you'll be exerting more force on the hammock fabric with the lines you shorten. Another way to go about it is to add hollow braid lines next to the lines you want to shorten. This is better than using dowel pegs because they invite line tangles. You could use the added string method with any line that will take a taut-line hitch for adjustment.

Remember: only 1 reply to this. Or multiple replies in separate posts. :)

More questions to come

OlTrailDog
01-20-2016, 17:58
I've have thought that since posting this that it really souldn't be classified as the classic hammock banana effect. It is more of a canoe effect, i.e. the upward tilt is more pronounced toward the head and toe end than a gentle arc the full length. I think it is a blessing at the head head, but troublesome at the foot end with potential for knee hyper-extension discomfort. I am blessed that I am predominantly a side sleeper, and consequently it isn't as much of an issue as if I slept the majority of the night on my back. When I do sleep, read, day dream, and etc on my back I have found that a bundle of clothes under my knees or under my thighs just above my knees alleviates the stress. All in all, the extra comfort of the 90* for side sleeping and being able to mitigate the knee stress has me currently ranking the overall comfort of this hammock over my WBRR. I am going to set my WBRR up in the garage tomorrow and swap hammocks to further assess the comparison.

OlTrailDog
01-20-2016, 18:05
Regarding your question WV about adjusting line lengths, I talked to Luke about this subject. The suspension is one continuous line and apparently there isn't a way of alleviating the final curl at the ends (the canoe effect). He spent considerable thought, time, and experimenting with this. In the end he said he uses the same method I came up with for alleviating knee stress if it became uncomfortable, i.e. he placed a jacket under his knees. I am aware that other hammock designs also have inherent "issues" that folks adapt to, and consequently, I have decided that the benefits of the 90* FOR ME, outweigh the comparative benefits/issues of other hammock designs. That is until the holy grail appears on the hammock horizon, eh?

OlTrailDog
01-30-2016, 10:42
Hopefully I do not get sued for imitating a seamstress, but here is a report on my latest DIY project. I took an old down rectangular sleeping bag and cut/sewed it into a smaller rectangular UQ. I made it 34" so that it would work both with my 90* and my WBRR. As noted above this is being tested in the dogtrot where temperatures run 35F to 40F for the 90* and in the garage where it has run 25F to 35F for the WBRR. There is not enough room in the dogtrot for setting up the WBRR without derogatory observations from the wife who simply hasn't the same interest in scientific inquiry.

Test results are in. I spent a superb night in the 90* by inserting the UQ into the pad pocket (PP). The UQ has enough down to provide rigidity to keep the UQ sufficiently wrapped around the PP when encapsulated in the PP. The problem with a regular UQ under the 90* is that you can get the UQ snug up to the hammock if attached completely underneath, but when you lie on your side the hammock shortens from head to foot and gaps are created resulting in onset of severe CBS. So I thought if I put the UQ in the PP the PP would keep the UQ snug as the 90* stretched and shrunk as you move from back to side positions. Note that if you use an inflatable pad in the 90* this stretch and shrink effect is negated by the rigidity of the pad. This is not true with CCF pads which bend and roll up on the ends.

The UQ in the 90* PP worked so great that I thought I would try it in the WBRR, see pics. However, I could reach over and feel how squished the UQ was getting and knew it wasn't going to do well. The PP for the 90* is constructed in a way that it hold the pocket shape and doesn't squish down with weight on the upper layer like the WBRR does. So I suspended the DIY UQ under the WBRR in regular fashion.Although it looked good to go and was toasty warm on the bottom, there was enough gap along the edges that created air gaps and CBS. Mid-night I had to insert my Exped Downmat 7 UL to make it through the night. I need to work on a better way with auxiliary side attachments or shock cord along the edges to make the UQ work with the WBRR.

My next mod was to add small grommets to the 90* PP that I could thread a short length of shock cord that was attached to the UQ. i added the grommets at the head, foot, and middle of the 90* PP, see pics. The idea was the shock cord would hold the DIY UQ and my DIY Costco UQ inside the PP snug to the sides and the full length of the PP. It worked great last night and I thought it worthy of reporting.

General Observations:
1) I have spent the last month in the hammocks testing various underlayment configurations. For both the 90* and WBRR the two best alternatives are an UQ or the Exped Downmat.

2) A good compromise is the AHD ridgecreek wrapped around a wide Evazote 3/8 CCF or S2S Comfort Light inflatable pad (IP) that provide both for hammock or go-to-ground capabilities.

3) There are two very different sleeping results or modes with the 90* depending on if you use a IP or a UQ. The IP keeps the 90* stretched out and is warm, but is more difficult to enter/leave with the IP poking up into the air (this could be problematic with the tarp deployed. The UQ in the 90* makes it easier to enter/leave, sit in, is warm, and won't poke the tarp. But when sleeping you need to be aware that the length will shrink/expand as you go from back to side and adjust accordingly (not difficult but takes getting use to).

4) A special note on the WBRR and Downmat IP. If you position the IP so that it is a little short of the toe so that it can form a toe box with your feet hanging over the edge of the IP. This was accidental, but I found that with my feet over the edge in the "toe box" it was much more comfortable with substantial less toe squeeze. My feet were nestled in the sleeping bag and quite comfortable during the coldest night in the garage.

5) Overall, IMHO the 90* is far more comfortable than the WBRR. There is substantial less squeeze as the 90* tends to conform to the sleeper. It takes less room to deploy and can make a good camp seat under the tarp. The weak point in both is the tendency for knee hyper-extension causing discomfort. Much less so than other hammock designs that you must lay diagonally and endure calf ridge. I deal with this limitation by placing a stuff sack with extra clothing under my knees or thighs to alleviate hyper-extension. By doing so i have even spent entire nights sleeping on my back in the 90*. I was surprised because I usually am a side sleeper, anywhere.

6) The WBRR is so much easier to enter/leave. There is much to be said for simplicity of two suspension cords vs a web of suspension. Also with the fewer suspension elements it seems that I tend to be less concerned that I am going to bust something with the WBRR. The bug netting can be packed out of the way and out of mind, but with the 90* I always have to be careful of not sitting on the netting. There needs to be a better way to clip the 90* netting out of the way for safety (next mod?).

7) My dog seems to really like the Alcott dog tent. She readily spends all night in the tent set up next to the hammock. Highly recommended for light weight and inexpensive.

8) Tonight’s test with be attaching the AHD ridgecreek inside the 90* PP through the grommets and using a short CCF for the foot area.

9) Access to the gear-for-sale forum should be based on number of words instead of number of posts ;-) Sold three tents on ebay this week!
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OlTrailDog
01-30-2016, 12:26
I forgot the other 90* mod. I replaced the small suspension rings with some rappel rings left over from my climbing days. The larger rings make it easier for me to manipulate, especially undo, the tight suspension for dismantling. My Achilles heel is that my fingers do not do well in cold weather. I just couldn't envision undoing the small rings when the suspension was wet and cold with wet and cold fingers.

I also had to make my very first continuous loop amsteel doohickies to accommodate the larger rings: thumbs up. I have seriously thought about replacing the small rings with the WBRR suspension continuous loop/pentazoid doohickies...we will see.

OlTrailDog
02-08-2016, 17:08
I completed the Alcott pup tent pole modification. Simply took two old easton arrows that I found in the woods, cut them off at 22", put automotive tube caps over the ends to protect the tent pole sleeves; used a plastic zip tie for the center pivot; and it was done. The length is 22" for each shaft and that fits perfectly when tied at the center for inserting the shafts in the tent top sleeves. I tie a line from the crossed poles to my hammock suspension. With the tent pegged down it will work very well.

The arrow poles weigh 1 oz. and the regular poles weighed 7.6 oz. Now the total pup tent package weighs in at 13.6 oz. and is compact. I would take pics but the whole set up is indoors and I can't really peg the tent to the floor for a taut set up.

OlTrailDog
08-04-2016, 18:29
I thought I'd post about a mod I came up with for Lukes 90 Degree Hammock. As I wrote earlier if you are 6 foot or near 6 foot there can be hyper-extension stress on the knees because of the overall gentle arc shape of the hammock lay that becomes pronounced toward the ends.

Following is what I did and what I wrote to Luke about concerning some experimenting that I have done with my 90 Hammock:
"After considerable experimentation I would like to suggest a modification to your 90 Degree hammock design. I have the Gamma UL and have corresponded with you in the past concerning the pressure the slight overall arc puts on the knees, resulting in discomfort after an extended time in the hammock, At 6 foot tall I'm at the upper end of the hammock suitability. We talked about using gear beneath placed beneath the knees to alleviate the stress.

While swapping time between my Warbonnet Ridgerunner and the 90 Degree Hammock, I noticed some features in the WBRR that lessened pressure on my knees. Specifically, how my legs lay in the hammock and the use of a toe box at the end of the hammock. Therefore, I thought that I would experiment with shortening some of the strings on the 90 Degree Hammock in order to create something similar in function. The basic idea was to create a gentle horizontal S shape to the 90 Degree Hammock instead of the gentle continuous arc. Take a look at picture number 7 on you website slide show which in effect shows a person lying in the hammock from the side in a pasture/field near a fence line. What is notable about the picture is the S shape created by the person lying in the hammock, especially note the legs.

Of course I didn't want to cut the suspension cords. So, I ended up getting some nylon spacers and rounding the inside and outside edges to protect the suspension cords. I used a girth hitch around the nylon washers to effectively shorten the suspension cords (see attached images). What worked the best was to shorten the suspension cords just below my butt, on down toward my feet, and leave the last three cords at the original length to create a slight toe box. I actually used a nylon spacer and a smaller spacer on the two suspension cords that supported the fabric directly under my knees, i.e. further shortening these two suspension lines. The effect is to create a gentle S shape from my head to my feet with the bulge on the lower part of the S supporting my knees. This greatly alleviated the hyper-extension stress placed on my knees by the original gentle arc.

The nylon washers are small enough and alternately offset to enable the suspension sleeves to slide over the spacers. Of course, the nylon spacers were used as an experiment that would damage the spectra cords. The real world solution would be to engineer in a gentle S shape that provided support underneath the knees and a toe box to lessen foot squeeze."

The 90 Degree Hammock is very comfortable when lying on either side and the gentle arc doesn't effect comfort. However, I spend considerable time on my back and after extended periods of time it can become uncomfortable on my old knees. This is especially noticeable when you get out of the hammock and more so after several nights use. I also purchased a bag of 500 beads from WalMart today. The beads may work just as well as the nylon spacers and I will do some further experimentation.134652134653

WV
08-05-2016, 14:13
You're definitely on the right track. That's what I do with my adjustable bridge hammocks, and it's derived from the way I adjusted the side strings on my right-angle hammock. Now I'm working on a bridge that doesn't use a side cut, but instead has a simple geometric side design using straight lines. It has the effect of lifting the hammock bed under my knees and lowering the foot end.

OlTrailDog
08-07-2016, 09:40
Okay! Yesterday I replaced the nylon spacers that were rather expensive with WalMart beads (500 for a dollar). Nice thing about the beads is they are cheap and already have rounded edges. I spent the night in the backyard in the rain. I am convinced that for my height (length) this is a wonderful mod. As you can see from the pictures going progressively from no beads, one bead, two bead, three beads, and back to no beads helps spread the weight systematically and builds the lazy S into the hammock lay. Done correctly, there is enough knee support and yet foot relief (toe box) by having no beads at the foot end suspension strings. The three bead strings are directly under my knees and since knees have flex the stress on the three bead strings is minimized. When lay in the hammock and tug on the suspension strings it definitely does not seem to place undue stress on any particular set of strings.

One observation is that you need to exert more effort to exit the hammock due to the "uphill" effect of the raised part of the lazy S. Not a problem, just an observation. Coincident with that is possibly taking more care to make sure your butt is more centered in the hammock lengthwise when entering the hammock by bunching up the end and sitting well into the hammock before loading it. Doing so may help to reduce possible stress on the shortest stings in now in the knee area. May not be important, but as this is experimental I am trying to be cautious. Using an inflatable pad in the hammock also aids in spreading out the load stress when entering the hammock.

I do not find any problems switching into a side sleeping position with the lazy S suspension mod. Side sleeping is phenomenal in a 90 degree hammock because the ends move in toward the center, and there is so much more room than in a conventional hammock. This is especially noticeable if you use a underquilt, or an underquilt and a 3/4 length foam or Thermarest pad in the foot section. The UQ (either a Costco down throw or Arrowhead 3/4 Ridge Creek) with a 3/4 pad (either closed cell foam or Thermarest prolite) is my preferred system. This is because it is warm, relatively light weight, and yet provides a little rigidity at the foot end which keeps the foot end of the hammock from collapsing toward the center and maximizes foot comfort for me. Experimentation continues.

The tarp is a silnylon 8x12 that I've had for years and worked great in the rain and wind last night. And the hammock stand is from the Amy radio antenna you can get on ebay for an easily portable hammock stand system that I can use with either the 90 Degree or WBRR by adding another section in the ridge line.

GreenGoblin
08-07-2016, 17:53
Thanks for your work OTD.

I haven't tried mine with an underquilt yet. So you don't need a full length and wide pad for structure?

Does the 12' tarp give you good coverage? In most of the 90degree photos, the bottom of the hammock looks to be quite exposed, so been a bit worried about the 12' length.

OlTrailDog
08-07-2016, 19:19
I've tried a myriad of combinations including: Exped Downmats LW, Exped Synmats LW, Sea to Summit Comfort light Large, Thermarest Pro lite 3/4, Thermarest Sol lite?, 1/2 length Thermarest Ridgerest, Evolite 1/2" LW, Arrowhead Ridge Creek UQ (from my WBRR), and a Costco Down Throw UQ. The Exed LW pads work great; the Exped regular Synmat works poorly; the S2S works poorly; The Thermarest Solite too big and sold before I got the knife out. What seems to work the best for me is either the Arrowhead 3/4 UQ or full length Costco Down Throw modified into a UQ PLUS a longer "foot pad" made of either the Thermarest Prolite; the Thermarest 3/4 Ridgerest; or the LW Evolite CC foam pad (I had to look long and hard for a LW Evolite foam CC pad and consequently won't cut it up). The advantage of the combination 3/4 UQ with a foam or Prolite "foot pad" is it is relatively light compared to other systems; UQ are toasty warm; I like the way it gives some structure to the foot area with the foot pad that can also be used for a camp pad; and yet the hammock will collapse a good deal when you leave the hammock. Having the hammock collapse when you exit the hammock leaves room under the tarp for other chores like getting dressed, or you can use the partially collapsed hammock as a chair; the partially collapsed hammock doesn't rocket up to poke the tarp when you exit the hammock or sit on the hammock like it will with a full length inflatable pad like the Expeds; The full length Evolite LW is limp enough to collapse unlike the inflatable pads like Exped or Themarest Xlite or Xtherm. In addition, using a partially collapsible pad system allows the hammock to partially collapse when I roll onto my side. This seems to make it extra roomy and comfortable compared to using a full length inflatable pad. Perhaps this is more of a personal preference feature??? To sum up all that blather, read what folks have used and experiment to see what works best for you.

Regarding the tarp. I just measured it and it is a 9x12 silnylon tarp that I had for years that I grabbed to set up as a storm cell was blowing in last evening. I didn't want to try and set up my cuben Winter Palace in the winds. Lo and behold, I was extremely pleased with how much coverage the 9x12 provided and it will become the go to tarp for the 90 Degree. That is unless the silpoly Wilderness Mountain Gear "Amock" tarp is reasonably priced. I'm currently exchanging emails with the vendor on that little number. Is there no end to pouring bucks down the hammock rabbit hole? After last night, I am confident the 9x12 would handle just about any windy and rainy conditions if pitched with a little common sense, i.e. no ridge top hangs with the open ends exposed to the gale winds.

Speaking of inclement weather and tarps I did have a "learning experience" earlier this summer hanging up a Hyalite Lake with a Yukon diamond shaped tarp (a bargain Woot purchase) over my WBRR. A typical Montana evening thunderstorm blew in early that night and the wind blown rain started coming at a slant into the hammock. I managed to grab my Winter Palace that I brought along just in case. I held it over me and the WBRR with my hands and feet while the rain came down, the lightening flashed, the thunder boomed, and the wind whipped the rain and draped Winter Palace to and fro. I thought about Jesus and the disciples being tossed about in the boat during the stormy weather, so I prayed every thing would stay put and the storm would pass for me too. Guess what? It actually did! I was extra proud of my young border collie who did an outstanding job hunkering under the hammock and flailing Cuben Fiber WP tarp, just like the trail pro she is becoming!

WV
08-07-2016, 21:00
Great work, OlTrailDog. I haven't experimented with different insulation systems as much as you have, and I haven't worked on my right angle hammock in a while, but everything pertaining to adjustable side strings that's worked best for me is similar to what you report here. I'm moving from full length underquilts to 3/4 plus a foot pad, too. The 3/4 quilts fit better under my knees without compressing the insulation.

OlTrailDog
08-21-2016, 20:28
An update:

I have found the Walmart beads are too fragile. I have had several pop in half while exiting the hammock. Since then, I have removed the Walmart beads and replaced them with a combination of larger acrylic beads and nylon spacers. Since the acrylic beads are larger I am only using one per suspension strand pairs for the most lift under the knees (three suspension strands) with two smaller nylon spacers on four suspension strands (two aft of the beaded strands and two fore of the beaded strands) Seems to be holding up fine. If the acrylic beads don't survive I will go back to using all nylon spacers or hunt for nylon beads?

QFT
09-16-2016, 18:50
How have your nylon spacers been doing? Still good a month later?

I just got a Gamma UL with the fly. I'm wondering if I'll be able to take it down to 30 degrees with no underquilt, just my R-4.1 Klymit Static V Lite Insulated pad.

Johnny Gunz
12-15-2016, 09:51
I just ordered a Hammock Tent Gamma and man this thread has been educational! Any new info? I'm trying to figure out light and cheap tarp and pad/UQ options. I have a Loco Libre Cayenne Pepper 3/4 UQ which may work well. I just need the right pad I guess? I'm tall at 6'2", so I'm not sure whether a full or short pad is best. I should get the hammock in a week or two. Thanks for all the great info!

QFT
12-15-2016, 11:35
I just ordered a Hammock Tent Gamma and man this thread has been educational! Any new info? I'm trying to figure out light and cheap tarp and pad/UQ options. I have a Loco Libre Cayenne Pepper 3/4 UQ which may work well. I just need the right pad I guess? I'm tall at 6'2", so I'm not sure whether a full or short pad is best. I should get the hammock in a week or two. Thanks for all the great info!

Holy hell, there's a 50% off sale for a lot of stuff on the website. But I digress.

Anyway... at 6'2" I'm a little worried it won't be long enough for you. I think you're about 3-4 inches taller than its intended audience. I have other concerns too... without a big, full pad (like a Exped UL7, which I just bought hoping it will stretch out the hammock and insulate well), the hammock will probably "accordion" down and maybe make you feel crowded, even if you are big enough, and a 3/4 UQ might be too short considering how you'll lay on it.

I hope you like it but I'm not sure if this system will work out for you.

OlTrailDog
12-16-2016, 11:24
I hate to say this, but I would definitely correspond with Luke prior to completing the purchase. Unfortunately, 6' 2" may not be accommodated well by this style hammock. I believe the maximum length Luke would recommend would be between 5'11" up to 6'1" max??? Please ask Luke and it could save on misunderstandings and/or an unhappy customer. No one likes that. Just my two cents.

biggy
12-16-2016, 13:52
I'm just under six foot and I feel I'm at the maximum when I'm stretched out

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Johnny Gunz
12-16-2016, 15:29
Thanks for the info guys. I emailed Luke when I ordered and he said I would be good, that the ends "compress" to your length. I'm hoping it'll work. If not, I have enough family and friends that it won't go unused:) It should be here in a week or so, so hopefully I'll know soon. It's hard to pass up $104 shipped for the Gamma either way!

OlTrailDog
12-17-2016, 10:07
I will Amen that!

OlTrailDog
12-18-2016, 09:28
Last night I spent a simply wonderful night in my lasted 90 degree hammock experimentation. Earlier in this thread I waxed rather verbose on various UQ schemes. It also shows pictures of the chopped up ebay down sleeping bag DIY UQ. Last night I attached the red UQ to a yoga pad? that I picked up at Goodwill for a few bucks. The pad varies from 1/8" to 1/4" thick because of the embossed design. It was late and experimental so all I did was attach some shock cord to loops on the UQ, put it around the pad, and add a little tape for good measure. I figure if it worked I could make a better quick release attachment in the future.

The temperatures outside at night have been -25F yesterday and -4 last night. I have a small space heater in the dog trot to keep my border collie warm. The temperatures range from a skim of ice on the dog water bowl to around 40F near the ceiling. If it was up to me Belle Marie would be inside with me, but my wife is dead set against dogs in the house.

I stuffed the "InderPad" as Greg from Holland coined it, into the pad pocket. Since the yoga pad is just the right width to span the width of the pocket, I folded the InderPad in half on the long axis to aid in the stuffing.

A couple of observations from last night. First I was very comfortable, nary a case of CBS to be had. I have previously written in this thread on the pros and cons of various pad and UQ configurations I have used. The pros of this InderPad design has the ability to partially collapse when entering and exiting the hammock making it much easier; there isn't a long pad poking upward to hit the tarp sides; provides a great seat when sitting upright on the end with your butt mid hammock; and when sleeping on your side the hammock conforms to your body. The cons are you most likely will on rare occasion need to grab the head portion of the hammock while simultaneously stretching your feet out to adjust the lay of the hammock that may collapse a bit (not really a problem but I thought I would mention it). Secondly, the InderPad is somewhat bulky in its winter configuration. It would be less bulky when used with either a Costco throw UQ or the Arrowhead Ridgecreek UQ that I commonly use with a Thermarest 3/4 length inflatable pad.

I think I tried something similar with a yoga pad that was uniformly 1/8" and it was not quite stiff enough to do as good a job holding the down UQ across the pad pocket width. If it was summer time and I was backpacking I would most likely resort to using the Arrowhead Ridgecreek and Prolite 3/4 length pad.
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OlTrailDog
12-18-2016, 09:43
I just thought of a couple more 'pros' for the InderPad. Since it is "inder" as Greg from Holland would say, it is neatly tucked inside the pad pocket and secondly I think this just might be able to do double duty inside the pad pocket of my WBRR.

Johnny Gunz
12-18-2016, 10:29
Thanks again for the great information:thumbup1: I have a Loco Libre Cayenne 3/4 UQ which may work well with some sort of pad. I am concerned with shoulder squeeze (both shoulders have been "worked" on), so I may need more rigidity. I won't know until it arrives I reckon. I have a line on a Big Agnes LW insulated pad as well. AMOK recommends it, but I really like your concept of a combo pad/UQ. It sounds soft and warm.

OlTrailDog
12-18-2016, 16:21
I have both a WBRR and a Luke's 90*. The bridge WBRR is know for lack of shoulder squeeze, but in my experience the 90* provides less shoulder squeeze even in a non-pad configuration. The caveat being I haven't had both shoulders worked on, and consequently, my opinion might not count for much. I should also add that since my 90* is set up with beads forming a lazy S suspension lay (discussed earlier in this thread), my experiences may differ somewhat from others.

OlTrailDog
12-31-2016, 12:06
Okay, for the last couple of nights I have been testing an update to my lazy S suspension modification. I decided to insert the beads into the sleeves as can be seen in the pictures. I tried that one night and then thought it needed a little more for my personal comfort (with the beads inserted in the sleeves I use a girth around one strand instead of around two strands as in the original design). Therefore, I took a medium sized zip tie and wrapped the suspension around it once. This also better isolates the bead in the sleeve pocket. To locate the bottom of the girth hitch, stretch the suspension strand tight and mark the very bottom with a marker. This way the bead lies at the exact bottom of the suspension strand, and thus, equalizes the stress on both sides of the suspension strand.

I also thought about simply taking a progression of mulitple wraps around a zip tie, i.e. one wrap, two wraps, three wraps; and sequentially back down to one wrap. The first three suspension strands from the toe end are not shortened, and that forms the pseudo-footbox. The three wraps is under your knees giving the most lift. I had also tried this with small metal quick-links, but the quick-links easily wrapped around other suspension strands and was abandoned. I tried this last night with a second 90 degree hammock.

The lazy S worked quite well with the multiple wraps around a zip tie, but during a couple of exits during the night two of the zip ties popped. It might work better with a better grade of zip ties as I had one zip tie snap just by tightening it. Anyway, as those of us with a science background know, a negative result with the quick-links and cheap zip ties is just as important as a positive one (That is why the idea that global warming is settled due to a 'consensus' of scientist is so much mule muffins, so to speak). However, I will say that using multiple wraps around a zip tie is a very inexpensive, easy, and fast way for someone to assess if a lazy S suspension will work for them.

I have not had any of the better quality snap ties on the bead/single wrap zip ties pop. It should also be noted that since I am using a UQ and light weight 3/4 pad instead of a full length inflatable pad the stress load on the strands is significantly higher. With a full length inflatable pad the load stress is shared across multiple strands. However, I personally prefer the advantages of a short pad with UQ.142832

Johnny Gunz
12-31-2016, 12:49
Thanks for all the work and updates OTD:thumbup1:

I've been using mine more (no overnights) and have some observations:

-At 6'2", I'm probably too tall to comfortably use an inflatable pad. I received my Big Agnes Insulated Ultra Air Core LW, and it fits the pocket perfectly. But, since it expands the sides out, it shortens the end ever so slightly. Or, a better description may be that it takes the slack out of the end of the foot box, not allowing my feet to push the material out. I need all the length I can get.

-I noticed that with the pad, there seems more of a banana affect. Maybe it's my height, but it doesn't seem nearly as bad without a pad.

-At this point, I actually prefer the comfort without the pad, even though it's very comfy with pad. Without the pad, it conforms to your body as a hammock should. If I roll to my side and go fetal, my legs don't slide around on the hammock, the hammock collapses and conforms to my legs. It's hard to explain, but it feels really good.

-A top-zip sleeping bag can be used much easier with this hammock. I used a GI Intermediate cold bag and it was pretty easy to get into by laying it out and open and setting in it. I just had to stretch the sides and ends a little. Much easier than in a gathered end for sure. But, as the bag is bulky and has a hood, it took up too much length for me. For a shorter person, this would be the bomb with a pad. It's a lot of insulation and padding. This is probably what I'll do for my wife. This 90* is the first hammock she has ever said she would sleep in.

-The head to toe swing is nice. It's slight, but I can feel it. For those not sure about it, we swing from birth (momma holding us) to the grave (rocking chair) that way.

-One side pocket perfectly holds two remote controls or a good sized paper back book.

OlTrailDog
12-31-2016, 16:37
I am in absolute agreement with you on the "conforms to your body" and "feels really good" aspects without a pad. For myself the optimal compromise is with a partial pad (or partial pad combined with a UQ or jacket) that provides insulation for my torso and UQ (or jacket) for the foot end. This allows the collapsing for comfort, body conformation, and extra ease in entering or exiting. I have corresponded with Luke and he said he typically uses short inflatable with his jacket for the foot end as his normal setup.

Sometimes I've wondered if the head/toe swing versus the side/side swing is simply a made up argument for folks looking for something to grouse about. I find myself actually trying to make the hammock swing head/toe some more when I first crawl in and as I am getting settle in.

paskit
02-21-2017, 11:25
Okay! Yesterday I replaced the nylon spacers that were rather expensive with WalMart beads (500 for a dollar). Nice thing about the beads is they are cheap and already have rounded edges. I spent the night in the backyard in the rain. I am convinced that for my height (length) this is a wonderful mod. As you can see from the pictures going progressively from no beads, one bead, two bead, three beads, and back to no beads helps spread the weight systematically and builds the lazy S into the hammock lay. Done correctly, there is enough knee support and yet foot relief (toe box) by having no beads at the foot end suspension strings. The three bead strings are directly under my knees and since knees have flex the stress on the three bead strings is minimized. When lay in the hammock and tug on the suspension strings it definitely does not seem to place undue stress on any particular set of strings.

One observation is that you need to exert more effort to exit the hammock due to the "uphill" effect of the raised part of the lazy S. Not a problem, just an observation. Coincident with that is possibly taking more care to make sure your butt is more centered in the hammock lengthwise when entering the hammock by bunching up the end and sitting well into the hammock before loading it. Doing so may help to reduce possible stress on the shortest stings in now in the knee area. May not be important, but as this is experimental I am trying to be cautious. Using an inflatable pad in the hammock also aids in spreading out the load stress when entering the hammock.

I do not find any problems switching into a side sleeping position with the lazy S suspension mod. Side sleeping is phenomenal in a 90 degree hammock because the ends move in toward the center, and there is so much more room than in a conventional hammock. This is especially noticeable if you use a underquilt, or an underquilt and a 3/4 length foam or Thermarest pad in the foot section. The UQ (either a Costco down throw or Arrowhead 3/4 Ridge Creek) with a 3/4 pad (either closed cell foam or Thermarest prolite) is my preferred system. This is because it is warm, relatively light weight, and yet provides a little rigidity at the foot end which keeps the foot end of the hammock from collapsing toward the center and maximizes foot comfort for me. Experimentation continues.

The tarp is a silnylon 8x12 that I've had for years and worked great in the rain and wind last night. And the hammock stand is from the Amy radio antenna you can get on ebay for an easily portable hammock stand system that I can use with either the 90 Degree or WBRR by adding another section in the ridge line.

OlTrailDog--
I'm intrigued by your S-curve bead mod, and want to try it. Bought my beads, but now, to my great embarrassment I find I can't make a girth hitch through the hole in the bead. I'm truly knot-challenged! I've tried it every whichway, and studied your photos, but just can't grasp the concept. I'd be very grateful if you could post a pic or even an idiot-proof verbal instruction showing how it's done. Thank you!

OlTrailDog
02-22-2017, 15:45
I will give it a go. First lets try a verbal, if that doesn't work I can break out the camera for pics. I tried several methods and the last method was my preferred way in that it hid the bead beneath the fabric at the bottom of the suspension as shown in post #50 in this forum thread.

hang the hammock with a little weight in it. This gives you better control and spread the suspension out in order to better keep track of the suspension strands.

Pick the first suspension cord you want to adjust and pull it down taut (this is to locate the bead at the very bottom of the suspension loop in order to evenly divide the stress between the two strands of the individual loop).

I marked the very bottom with a fine marker so that I made sure I was putting the bead at the very end, and thus, dividing the stress between the two strands.

pinch the stand loop tight with the mark at the point of the V and insert it through the bead hole.

When the V goes through the bead, pull out enough to make a loop that will go back over the bead.

Wiggle it snug.

It should be at the very bottom of the suspension strand loop and you can wiggle in under the fabric so that it is hidden like in the picture at post #50 for this thread.

Note: the tiny zip ties I used in the pictures really are not needed and were not sufficiently strong enough not to break when weighted as I climb in and out of the hammock.

If the bead pops, you are not using strong enough beads, for example the Walmart beads didn't work. But so far the brass and fluorescent DIY fishing lure beads have held up well as did the nylon spacers. IMPORTANT: I also used a dremel tool or counter sink tool to make sure the edges on the bead holes were rounded enough not to cut the cords. I also had to drill out some bead sizes in order to get the suspension strands easily through. It just occurred to me that a loop of fine wire, like a needle threader, might work great too.

paskit
02-23-2017, 11:04
I will give it a go. First lets try a verbal, if that doesn't work I can break out the camera for pics.

Thanks! This did the trick. I also realized that the beads I'm using are too small to keep the snugged-up loop from climbing back up the curve of the bead and coming loose. So I just pulled the bead through the loop before snugging it, and that locked it in place. Voila!
Thanks again.

Jimswms
02-23-2017, 12:37
Anybody have any tricks for trees that are further apart? I find that this hammock needs to be hung so high up the tree, that it interferes with the tarp that needs to be hung below the hammock suspension. I just got a Warbonnet GT, which seems like it'll be just about perfect. I don't have this issue with this tarp, hung from the same trees with my Amok since it doesn't need to be hung quite as high.

Thanks

biggy
02-23-2017, 14:57
What is the ridgeline length of the wbgt. The stock cf tarp is 7'6" to help prevent contacting the hammock. Not a solution just some info for you.

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Jimswms
02-23-2017, 15:43
What is the ridgeline length of the wbgt. The stock cf tarp is 7'6" to help prevent contacting the hammock. Not a solution just some info for you.

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Yeah. That's definitely an issue. It's 9'. Works great with the amok hammock.

OlTrailDog
02-24-2017, 12:35
Anybody have any tricks for trees that are further apart? I find that this hammock needs to be hung so high up the tree, that it interferes with the tarp that needs to be hung below the hammock suspension. I just got a Warbonnet GT, which seems like it'll be just about perfect. I don't have this issue with this tarp, hung from the same trees with my Amok since it doesn't need to be hung quite as high.

Thanks

All hammock designs have their idiosyncrasies and limitations, including distance between hang points. One limitation of the hammocktent 90* is the shorter distance between hang trees. But then again, it is also a strength that it can be hung between closer hang trees.

Although I have never tried it, I imagine you could lash together a couple of poles for one or both sides that give support lift to the tree straps. Have to experiment with this when the weather turns nice again.

I was very pleasantly surprised a couple of weeks ago when I hung my hammocktent 90* between two trees in the yard that were 18 feet apart. I expected either the hammock to sag too low when weighted or for the tarp to be too high, like you observed. It actually turned out to be excellent in spite of very windy conditions. I was evern happier when I determined this 18 foot distance between the trees in my yard worked great for my Raven and WBRR. The only real downside was this is the only place in the yard that I don't seem to have a wireless connection and can't watch Netflix before drifting off to sleep.:sleep:

PS: Never mind the second image as I couldn't figure out how to remove it.
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