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squidbilly
01-13-2014, 11:10
I worked on this 201 until it nearly drove me mad. Still won't handle sil like I want. I sold a 301 for the same reason. Might have to sell this one and go back to using the Janome. It has no problems with sil at all.

What kind of problems were you having with sil? I use a Necchi BF Mira ( treadle) with no problems. Sometimes I have to adjust both tensions with pure finish 1.1 to keep it from puckering.


I have no need for a straight stitch Necchi Esperia but I couldn't resist. I need help...

60520

Yeah, me too. I have an Esperia just like that (in a cabinet though) I never use. Not to mention the others.

gmcttr
01-13-2014, 11:16
I worked on this 201 until it nearly drove me mad...

As I recall, your problem is with the machines not feeding silnylon correctly.

Just tried one of my 201s on a silnylon rolled hem and just a single layer of sil as well. No problems with feeding/stitch length over a wide range of presser foot pressures.

Have you checked the Adjusters Manual for the correct feed dog height and made sure your's is where it should be? I'm assuming the feed dog thumb screw is in the correct position and tight to insure the feed dog is not partially dropped.

Mrprez
01-13-2014, 11:34
Stitch length is wrong on sil but correct on cotton. Feed dog looks to be working right. I did check the height and it was right. Now, I am really mad. If yours works, mine should too. I really like the machine and would like it to work correctly. Going to have to dig in there again. I didn't look at that thumbscrew, but will check it tonight.

gmcttr
01-13-2014, 11:43
...Feed dog looks to be working right. I did check the height and it was right. .... I didn't look at that thumbscrew, but will check it tonight.

If the feed dogs were at the right height, the thumb screw to lower the dogs is probably right.

If you had the same problem with a 301 and a 201, I'd say change the sil or change the operator.:laugh:

Mrprez
01-13-2014, 11:51
Might have to fire the operator! Which foot are you using.

gmcttr
01-13-2014, 12:24
Might have to fire the operator! Which foot are you using.

Right foot on the speed control and a standard straight stitch on the machine.

Are you holding your tongue right?:D

Mrprez
01-13-2014, 12:48
Maybe that's my problem. Wrong foot...it's just not logical. Cotton sews 6 stitches per inch just fine. Put sil in there and it wants to do 8-9 stitches per inch.

squidbilly
01-13-2014, 12:54
Feed dog worn out?

Mrprez
01-13-2014, 13:03
No, it seems to be feeding fine. Looks and feels correct.

Mouseskowitz
01-13-2014, 16:29
I'm far from an expert, but it sounds like it's not getting as much friction on the material and thus not feeding it as far. Are the stitches consistent lengths or do they vary? Have you tried a walking foot? My understanding it that it helps to feed slippery material by advancing it from the top too.

Mrprez
01-13-2014, 16:33
The stitches it is making are fine. They seem to be even and consistent. I have not tried a walking foot on the machine. I have tried a roller foot and a teflon foot. The walking foot I have won't fit a straight stitch machine. Might have to order one.

Mouseskowitz
01-13-2014, 22:18
Yup, you need to make sure you have the right one. So far the one we have on the 403A seems to work, haven't run sil through it yet though.

nacra533
01-13-2014, 22:37
Just looked at this, so this may have been stated already.

Sil stitches are tighter than on cotton using the same thread tension, thread, and needle.

Sil is much thinner and less resistant to the thread tension pulling the fabric together, puckering on a small scale. The needle alone is huge compared to the sil threads. Sil is one of the the toughest to work with.

I use a 9 needle and a V30 thread on sil and momentum and I still fight it. Pull the fabric snug in front and in back of needle.

If its working on cotton, the machine is working.
Use less thread tension, top (and bottom -if you're comfortable adjusting bobbin tension.)
Use enough presser foot tension to keep the fabric moving but not so much to bunch the fabric. Pull it a little as you go.

Mrprez
01-14-2014, 06:00
Thanks nacra533, I will try all that. I normally use a 9 as well but for some reason have a 12 in there right now. I have no problem messing with thread tension.

squidbilly
01-14-2014, 08:33
Right foot on the speed control and a standard straight stitch on the machine.

Are you holding your tongue right?:D

I couldn't help thinking about this post last night while using my treadle. I can use either foot (or both) , but sometimes have trouble holding my tongue.

tysonb
01-14-2014, 20:09
Singer Commercial 1191D300A - I have been offered one of these that is in great condition, almost new complete with table and whole shebang in return for some work that I have done. I am wondering if this is an historically decent machine. Any thoughts?

nacra533
01-14-2014, 20:38
Singer Commercial 1191D300A - I have been offered one of these that is in great condition, almost new complete with table and whole shebang in return for some work that I have done. I am wondering if this is an historically decent machine. Any thoughts?

I dont know anything about that machine, but...
Looks much like a straight stitch version of the 20U, which is an awesome machine. The grey/white Singers are newer, probably China and may have a little plastic, don't know.

I'd pay $200 for it if buying and not take less than $400 if selling. Probably worth $300-400 used and a sewing store would want probably double. That's my rule of thumb for just about every commercial and industrial machine, with a couple exceptions.

It's a singer, so parts and info will be available and reasonable.

If you want an industrial machine,there are better options, like the blue 20U Professional and many others. If you can come out to the good on this, jump on it. My guess is the owner places more value on the machine than the used market will bear if he (or you) were to sell it

Loneoak
01-15-2014, 20:17
Just got my mom's old singer. Trying to figure out which 221 it is. Serial AK595585 but it does not have the manual with it. I know they are not hard to find, but would like to know which one it is. Machine was made in 1951, I do know that.

miyanc
01-15-2014, 21:30
Just got my mom's old singer. Trying to figure out which 221 it is. Serial AK595585 but it does not have the manual with it. I know they are not hard to find, but would like to know which one it is. Machine was made in 1951, I do know that.

Can you take a pic? Or 2?

gmcttr
01-15-2014, 21:36
Just got my mom's old singer. Trying to figure out which 221 it is. Serial AK595585 ...

From the serial number, it's a 221 made at the Elizabeth, NJ plant and the serial number series was allotted on Oct 31, 1951.

miyanc
01-15-2014, 21:47
The 221 is the 57 chevy of sewing machines. Wouldn't mind fixing one of those up.

Loneoak
01-15-2014, 22:44
The 221 is the 57 chevy of sewing machines. Wouldn't mind fixing one of those up.

Thanks, this one don't need no fixing up, it's in great shape :)

miyanc
01-15-2014, 22:50
Thanks, this one don't need no fixing up, it's in great shape :)

Hopefully not. The 15-91 I bought didn't need anything either. I didn't want to risk the wiring so I am replacing it and cleaning it up a bit. Figured if I was going to be running it endlessly I wanted to make sure it was in tip top shape. Inside and out.

Loneoak
01-15-2014, 23:06
Hopefully not. The 15-91 I bought didn't need anything either. I didn't want to risk the wiring so I am replacing it and cleaning it up a bit. Figured if I was going to be running it endlessly I wanted to make sure it was in tip top shape. Inside and out.

The 15-91 is a nice machine, bought one last yr but haven't used it yet

Padovini
01-16-2014, 19:37
Wanting to make my own backpack, so this just came in yesterday :)

Brian P.

4423 with added walking foot

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu15/Padovini/0320ce1acf773dc342f53da8583b8552.jpg

aboyd
01-16-2014, 19:56
I have a cheap Brother LS 2125. It gets the job done. Anyone else have a daughter that is just devastated that her father sews? :-)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/17/ypegy4ys.jpg

gmcttr
01-17-2014, 00:34
Wanting to make my own backpack, so this just came in yesterday :)...

Looking good guys.:thumbup1:


I have a cheap Brother LS 2125. It gets the job done. Anyone else have a daughter that is just devastated that her father sews? :-)...

My daughters live in a much larger city than I do...they don't mind me sewing gear, but I have been told that I have enough machines and they will no longer pick up sewing machines for me that I find on CL or Goodwill Auctions.:(

Thumbs
01-20-2014, 00:36
Well, I took some advice from Ramblinrev. Since I'm not flush enough to get the Sailright walking foot machine I want, this will do.

A combination of three $10 dollar purchases from Salvation Army and Goodwill stores. Really nice cabinet, a Kenmore 158.17530 Which I have 10 cams for for a total of 13 stitches, 4 feet, part of the button hole attachment. The machine didn't work in the store so I rebuilt the speed control and it works great after a clean, oil and tune. Sews nice tight stitches.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=60808&stc=1&d=1390195534

I also rebuilt the zig-zag and straight stitch machine that came with the cabinet and gave it to a friend that needed one.
:thumbup:

miyanc
01-20-2014, 00:44
Well, I took some advice from Ramblinrev. Since I'm not flush enough to get the Sailright walking foot machine I want, this will do.

A combination of three $10 dollar purchases from Salvation Army and Goodwill stores. Really nice cabinet, a Kenmore 158.17530 Which I have 10 cams for for a total of 13 stitches, 4 feet, part of the button hole attachment. The machine didn't work in the store so I rebuilt the speed control and it works great after a clean, oil and tune. Sews nice tight stitches.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=60808&stc=1&d=1390195534

I also rebuilt the zig-zag and straight stitch machine that came with the cabinet and gave it to a friend that needed one.
:thumbup:
Good find. Nice job also on the rebuilds and the give away to your friend. Goodwill, slavation army and habitat stores are usually dry around here. I still look and found one that took a bit of work to get going, but it was fun. I have been looking at mostly singer and as such don't know much about kenmore, heck I dont know much about singer either. How you make some gear. Good luck

latriper
01-23-2014, 01:27
My wife got this after her mom passed away. So technically not mine but I am the one who uses it. My mom said I could have hers too. It is a Necchi but I don't know the model.

gmcttr
01-23-2014, 13:40
... My mom said I could have hers too. It is a Necchi but I don't know the model.

Eventually, the vertical shaft top gear or a plastic spacer will break in that Singer. It will be a good machine until then, although both can be repaired.

GRAB the Necchi and hope it's an old one made in Italy or at least get the model name or number and post it up.;)

VictoriaGuy
01-23-2014, 14:21
GRAB the Necchi and hope it's an old one made in Italy or at least get the model name or number and post it up.;)

:thumbup1::thumbup1:
And a picture when you get a chance!
Love those Euro machines...:D

miyanc
01-25-2014, 21:34
I have had some issues with posting pics, but this is my singer 15-91. Oiled, lubed, rewired, polished and ready to go. I really lucked out on this one. https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/album.php?albumid=3249

Its the first 4 pics, well its the others too but that was before. Check out the 3rd pic. The big scratch diagnally up near the faceplate... thats what happens when you use a metal object wrapped with a towell to get in the nooks and crannies and your 3yo tries to ram her head between my arm and my side in order to see what I am doing. It will be staring itself at me everytime I use it. I will call it a love scratch.

gmcttr
01-25-2014, 23:10
Very nice. Use Q-Tips and cotton balls on the next one instead of towel wrapped metal objects.:laugh:

No excuses, time to sew.

miyanc
01-26-2014, 15:58
Very nice. Use Q-Tips and cotton balls on the next one instead of towel wrapped metal objects.:laugh:

No excuses, time to sew.

I was trying to polish the top or the head end. In between the needle adjusting screws ( or whatever those 2 things on top do. Needless to say I wont be doing that again.

Maybe when my daughter gets up, but I have some school work to do.

Thumbs
01-29-2014, 09:50
My latest acquisition is a 1963 Model 90 Kenmore. It's a very well balanced relatively high speed machine. Has every available accessory, cam, and template that originally shipped with it. It was one owner and barely used. It was found on craigslist from a 28 day old ad with no picture. Very nice cabinet to go with it as well.

This is the most I've paid for any of the 4 machines so far and it was a steal for $25. Keep looking and you will find one.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61311&stc=1&d=1390971174

TZBrown
02-13-2014, 17:05
My latest find

A 1901 Singer 29-4 boot patcher

Sews perfectly, no damage to any of the scroll castings on the base.
[img]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5505/12508182833_d4fc80521b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12508182833/)

[img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/12508065535_4cf76ae4e8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12508065535/)

Now for some leatherwork :D

Fronkey
02-13-2014, 17:20
My latest find

A 1901 Singer 29-4 boot patcher

Sews perfectly, no damage to any of the scroll castings on the base.
[img]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5505/12508182833_d4fc80521b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12508182833/)

[img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/12508065535_4cf76ae4e8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12508065535/)

Now for some leatherwork :D

Wow! Great find TZ.

Fronkey

Fronkey
02-13-2014, 17:28
Here is the sewing machine I'll be using for my new youtube channel "DIY with Fronkey." (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMDsUeCOfD4C5fDLZ28HbSA) :D

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Fronkey776/1658655_257105264458090_1738305812_o-2_zps105308ec.jpg

Fronkey

gmcttr
02-13-2014, 17:37
My latest find

A 1901 Singer 29-4 boot patcher...

Very nice! Dad keeps asking me when I'm going to bring his 29-4 home with me. Get good with yours so I have someone to ask how to use them.;) I'm not sure dad remembers. I find that people frequently add removeable table tops to expand the usability. Here's a photo of his to give you an idea.

61959

Now if I wanted to make boots, I'd also need his Singer No. 2 and all of the patterns on the wall behind it.

61960

gmcttr
02-13-2014, 17:41
Here is the sewing machine I'll be using for my new youtube channel ...

Subscribed!

Thank you so much for using that "modern" cabinet and not defacing one of the beautiful old singer cabinets.:laugh:

Whiskeyjack
02-13-2014, 17:50
Beautiful machine TZ! And Fronkey, yours is just........
AWESOME! :D

Fronkey
02-13-2014, 18:15
Subscribed!

Thank you so much for using that "modern" cabinet and not defacing one of the beautiful old singer cabinets.:laugh:
Thanks dude! I wouldn't do that to an antique. lol This one needed to be re-finished and Pockets and I came up with a cool idea and I think it came out pretty nice in the end. :)


Beautiful machine TZ! And Fronkey, yours is just........
AWESOME! :D

Thanks a lot for subbing Whiskeyjack!

Fronkey

MagicPaddler
02-13-2014, 18:23
The raised work surface just lifts off. A good leather machine. The table with a motor and clutch was built by a previous owner. I got it given to me. Had some hard oil in it but after a little rocking back and forth and more oil it runs well. I do not use the motor instead I crank it.
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd254/Magicpaddler/Singer/P1010407_zps3d1fc7c7.jpg

Mrprez
02-13-2014, 19:00
I saw this on CL. The last line really cracks me up.

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/atq/4297573024.html

Just the power cord?

SCWalker
02-13-2014, 19:01
Jeebus!You guys are gonna drive up the cost of old sewing machines and make rare collector items outta some.

TZBrown
02-13-2014, 19:22
Very nice! Dad keeps asking me when I'm going to bring his 29-4 home with me. Get good with yours so I have someone to ask how to use them.;) I'm not sure dad remembers. I find that people frequently add removeable table tops to expand the usability. Here's a photo of his to give you an idea.

61959

Now if I wanted to make boots, I'd also need his Singer No. 2 and all of the patterns on the wall behind it.

61960

Beautiful machines
I have a partially completed table also
If you can, copies of those old patterns would really be great;)


Here is the sewing machine I'll be using for my new youtube channel "DIY with Fronkey." (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMDsUeCOfD4C5fDLZ28HbSA) :D

Fronkey

Very cool :D will watch for your DIY

MagicPaddler
02-14-2014, 07:56
Beautiful machines
I have a partially completed table also
If you can, copies of those old patterns would really be great;)





TZBrown
I don’t have a pattern but I could trace my table on a sheet of paper fold it up and mail it to you. Would that help.
Magic

squidbilly
02-14-2014, 08:52
I saw this on CL. The last line really cracks me up.

http://neworleans.craigslist.org/atq/4297573024.html

Just the power cord?

"...or fix up as a nice antique." :lol:

I wonder how long it was underwater? It probably still sews - if you can free it up.

TZBrown
02-14-2014, 09:34
TZBrown
I don’t have a pattern but I could trace my table on a sheet of paper fold it up and mail it to you. Would that help.
Magic

I have a table partially finished now, it looks quite a bit like yours.
Thanks for the offer

I was hoping gmcttr might make copies of the boot / shoe patterns though

gmcttr
02-14-2014, 09:59
...I was hoping gmcttr might make copies of the boot / shoe patterns though

I've never really taken a good look at the boot patterns but as I remember there is large set of them. Maybe 50 or more pieces, many of which (I'm guessing) would be too large to fit on a copy machine. No promises at all, but I will take a look at them and give it some though.

TZBrown
02-14-2014, 11:18
I never really taken a good look at the boot patterns but as I remember there is large set of them. Maybe 50 or more pieces, many of which (I'm guessing) would be too large to fit on a copy machine. No promises at all, but I will take a look at them and give it some though.

An easy way would be to lay a clear 1 inch grid over each and photograph.
I hate to see history lost ;)

VictoriaGuy
02-14-2014, 13:44
"...or fix up as a nice antique." :lol:

I wonder how long it was underwater? It probably still sews - if you can free it up.

Looks like somebody drug it outta the house after it done burnt!

gmcttr
02-14-2014, 13:53
Looks like somebody drug it outta the house after it done burnt!

And then stored it behind the shed for 10 years.:scared:

Mrprez
02-14-2014, 13:58
I cant see anything there worth even $10.

gmcttr
02-14-2014, 15:38
I cant see anything there worth even $10.

Unless you're looking for a $10 boat anchor.

Debi Jaytee
02-14-2014, 17:21
that manual might be worth $10 to someone.

hppyfngy
02-14-2014, 17:23
Unless you're looking for a $10 boat anchor.

Man, you're always stealing my lines! :laugh:

gmcttr
02-15-2014, 17:21
An easy way would be to lay a clear 1 inch grid over each and photograph.
I hate to see history lost ;)

It won't be lost, it will be sold with the machine someday.;)

I took a look at the patterns today and quickly decided I won't copying them. I'm not sure we'd even know what to do with a lot of them.

62000

I will be looking at the "Squires New Boston Boot Patterns" someday to see if they might be of interest. I have ordered a clear grid just in case.

62001

I did have Dad show me how to use the 29-4 today. Man...those bobbins are small!

TZBrown
02-15-2014, 21:08
It won't be lost, it will be sold with the machine someday.;)

I took a look at the patterns today and quickly decided I won't copying them. I'm not sure we'd even know what to do with a lot of them.

62000

I will be looking at the "Squires New Boston Boot Patterns" someday to see if they might be of interest. I have ordered a clear grid just in case.

62001

I did have Dad show me how to use the 29-4 today. Man...those bobbins are small!

Man there are a lot of patterns for sure
The squire boot ones were the one that caught my eye also

A full 29-4 bobbin will sew about 70 inches
This was one bobbin full, at about 8 stitch per inch

Steveo in Mo.
02-16-2014, 16:00
Anyone got experience with a Monarch Dial O Matic and what one would be worth seen one for 20.00 runs needs a belt.

VictoriaGuy
02-16-2014, 18:08
re: Monarch Dial O matic

Do you have a picture or info?
Lots of the Japanese clones of Singers were pretty solid machines; I don't know if your Monarch qualifies.

My price range for 'no-name' Singer clones is $0-20, if that helps. I figure twenty bucks for an afternoon (or more) of playing 'fix-it' with machinery is about right.:D
OTOH, I've gotten a few really good quality classic machines (Elnas, Husquvarna) for $20-25.

Is the belt just cracked or missing? I've seen ads with 'runs great, no belt' where it meant only that the motor would turn.:D

bootstick
02-16-2014, 19:04
Nice pictures guys, I wish I knew how to sow, we learned in middle school and I made a platypus, but other than that, I don't remember a thing : (

hppyfngy
02-17-2014, 05:28
Nice pictures guys, I wish I knew how to sow, we learned in middle school and I made a platypus, but other than that, I don't remember a thing : (

It's like falling off a bike! You'll remember how in no time!
I don't know if I can make a platypus... :)

Mrprez
02-17-2014, 08:41
I'd like to see pics of your platypus. Does it look like this one?

http://www.platypuscomputing.com/images/platygeo.jpg

CountryRoads
02-17-2014, 11:00
Well I keep seeing this thread pop up, and while my machine is nowhere near as cool as a lot of the vintage machines on here, I do love her. It's a Viking Optima 150 E that I got for $60. Works great except on the reverse the timing off, no matter what length I have the stitch set at, it always does the smallest stitch in reverse. I'm debating whether it would be worth the $80 or $90 it would cost to send it out to be fixed. I've found ways to deal with it for now though...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/17/6eze8ape.jpg

miyanc
02-17-2014, 11:07
Well I keep seeing this thread pop up, and while my machine is nowhere near as cool as a lot of the vintage machines on here, I do love her. It's a Viking Optima 150 E that I got for $60. Works great except on the reverse the timing off, no matter what length I have the stitch set at, it always does the smallest stitch in reverse. I'm debating whether it would be worth the $80 or $90 it would cost to send it out to be fixed. I've found ways to deal with it for now though...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/17/6eze8ape.jpg

Do you have the manual? That may be a design feature. Not that I am an expert but maybe because its a tack stitch its designed to be used to minimize the stitch length and keep it locked all the same?

CountryRoads
02-17-2014, 11:13
Do you have the manual? That may be a design feature. Not that I am an expert but maybe because its a tack stitch its designed to be used to minimize the stitch length and keep it locked all the same?

I do have the manual, read the whole thing and nothing in there about that, other than it not doing anything bigger than a 3 mm stitch in reverse. I took it to a friend who has a drop in sewing studio and works on machines. She opened it up and tried, but said she can't fix timing problems.

Thumbs
02-17-2014, 11:15
I'd bet it's not a timing problem but rather an adjustment on the switch arm itself or the lever it operates.

gmcttr
02-17-2014, 11:20
Well I keep seeing this thread pop up, and while my machine is nowhere near as cool as a lot of the vintage machines on here, I do love her...

It's COOL enough! Very nice machine. A Review (http://www.using-sewing-machines.com/Viking150e.html).

Fixing the reverse could be as simple as freeing up gummed up parts or as bad as a broken part that is not available. Myself, I'd open it up and try to determine the problem before taking it to someone....but that's just me.

CountryRoads
02-17-2014, 11:23
I'd bet it's not a timing problem but rather an adjustment on the switch arm itself or the lever it operates.

Thanks, I'll look into that, she's been telling me I should take one of the classes she offers on maintaining and fixing machines. I don't really know anything about the workings of sewing machines, in fact, I still struggle to conceptualize how a sewing machine actually works...just seems impossible, though obviously its not. You don't have to try and explain, people have tried to explain it to me before...

CountryRoads
02-17-2014, 11:27
It's COOL enough! Very nice machine. A Review (http://www.using-sewing-machines.com/Viking150e.html).

Fixing the reverse could be as simple as freeing up gummed up parts or as bad as a broken part that is not available. Myself, I'd open it up and try to determine the problem before taking it to someone....but that's just me.

Thanks, there wasn't much about it online, but I did come across that review when I got the machine. So, my friend opened it up and took care of any black grease that she could find. I would really need to do some homework before trying to mess with it.

gmcttr
02-17-2014, 11:37
...i still struggle to conceptualize how a sewing machine actually works...just seems impossible, though obviously its not....

62109
..........

CountryRoads
02-17-2014, 11:58
Wow gmcttr! Thanks! I can understand that!

And to look around in there seems like I'd have to take some things apart and I'm afraid to do that...


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/18/y9e7u6uq.jpg

Steveo in Mo.
02-17-2014, 12:08
Victoria guy thanks, it looks like a old singer 1940's motor runs belt is loose needs cleaning . Was a portable top of case gone but bobbin and all is there. If the flea market still has it next saturday i will offer him 15 for it .

VictoriaGuy
02-17-2014, 13:48
And to look around in there seems like I'd have to take some things apart and I'm afraid to do that...
That's a decent-quality machine (the kind of thing I like :)) .
If you aren't interested in working on your machine (you mean you want to make stuff, not just fix old machines??? :D ) then best to find a capable mechanic - not that easy in some places.
I'd recommend you spend the $100 when you can to get it serviced by somebody who knows what they are doing.

I agree 100% with 'Thumbs' that it is not a (bobbin hook) timing issue, and if the 'mechanic' says that the machine 'needs the timing adjusted', make sure you get an explanation - there's bobbin hook timing, feed dog timing, etc..
Classic 'hook timing' symptoms are dropped stitches, especially on one side of a zig-zag in forward or reverse. (Remember, the machine is always sewing in the 'same direction' ; it's only the fabric feed that is reversed by the feed dog mechanism. So if a machine will form stitches in forward, it will usually form stitches in reverse as well, IME.)

My first guess: something in the feed dog linkage/reverse linkage gummed up with old lubricant.
2nd guess: adjustment in feed dog/shift/reverse lever mechanism.

I have a Husqvarna (same company as Viking) and that machine has an adjustment to make sure that the forward and reverse stitches are the same length. BTW, on my Husqvarna, that adjustment isn't anywhere near the bobbin case!

CountryRoads
02-18-2014, 00:41
That's a decent-quality machine (the kind of thing I like :)) .
If you aren't interested in working on your machine (you mean you want to make stuff, not just fix old machines??? :D ) then best to find a capable mechanic - not that easy in some places.
I'd recommend you spend the $100 when you can to get it serviced by somebody who knows what they are doing.

I agree 100% with 'Thumbs' that it is not a (bobbin hook) timing issue, and if the 'mechanic' says that the machine 'needs the timing adjusted', make sure you get an explanation - there's bobbin hook timing, feed dog timing, etc..
Classic 'hook timing' symptoms are dropped stitches, especially on one side of a zig-zag in forward or reverse. (Remember, the machine is always sewing in the 'same direction' ; it's only the fabric feed that is reversed by the feed dog mechanism. So if a machine will form stitches in forward, it will usually form stitches in reverse as well, IME.)

My first guess: something in the feed dog linkage/reverse linkage gummed up with old lubricant.
2nd guess: adjustment in feed dog/shift/reverse lever mechanism.

I have a Husqvarna (same company as Viking) and that machine has an adjustment to make sure that the forward and reverse stitches are the same length. BTW, on my Husqvarna, that adjustment isn't anywhere near the bobbin case!

Thank you. I need to study up. Hopefully is something as simple as an adjustment somewhere...

Bubba
02-20-2014, 23:29
Recently been acquiring some vintage machines. Its almost a new addiction.

This was my first machine. It's a Singer 5107 I got for free from fellow member quiet. He found it on the Streets of Toronto and kindly gave it to me when I told him I wanted to start making gear. It had some issues at first so I never really ended up using it. I bought the Kenmore instead. Only recently after more experience and knowledge did I go back to it to fix the problems. Now its working fine.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0579.jpg

I've already posted this one but I'll put it up again. It's a Kenmore 8. I've done most of my work on this one since last Spring when I started.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0580.jpg

I started a thread on this next one when I picked it up from the thrift store and wanted some info on it. Thanks to gmcttr I found out its an HA-1 class 15 Singer clone. It needed a couple new parts and some adjusting but it works fine.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0578.jpg

This next one I picked up on a whim from my wife's cousin. He posted it on his Facebook asking if anyone was interested in it. It's Brother 1243. When I picked it up the needle was bent and the bobbin had fishing line on it. A new needle and some proper thread and it is working well.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0581_141099.jpg

I love these older machines that are built to last. Now I'm on the hunt for the next one.

Jedediah300
02-21-2014, 01:55
So I stumbled onto an original Singer 15-91 at my local thrift store for $30.00. My local thread injector wizard wants $60.00 to make it new again. Hes been in business for 62 years, should I let him fix it? Um da! Already dropped it of. Pics coming soon. ;-)

CountryRoads
02-21-2014, 09:53
Nice collection Bubba!

So I had posted a problem my machine was having and got some great advice. Victoriaguy, it was that adjustment screw, figured that out after I adjusted the timing both ways and that did nothing. It was as simple as tightening one screw. Gmcttr said I should post some before and after pics so here's the before, the tiny stitches are the reverse.


http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/21/e2egepes.jpg

And here's the after:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/21/e2upumyq.jpg

gmcttr
02-21-2014, 10:26
Job well done and no $$ to or waiting on the repair shop.:thumbup1:

CountryRoads
02-21-2014, 10:32
Yeah, friend helped, I couldn't have done it on my own, I did hook her up though. Gave her a hammock, with full suspension system that was 100 percent DIY. Thanks for all the great advice folks!

VictoriaGuy
02-21-2014, 13:08
it was that adjustment screw, figured that out after I adjusted the timing both ways and that did nothing. It was as simple as tightening one screw.

Good work!
:thumbup1::thumbup1:
Feels good, huh?

VictoriaGuy
02-21-2014, 13:10
Nice collection of machines, and at the right price!


Recently been acquiring some vintage machines. Its almost a new addiction.


Naah, I don't think it's a problem!:D

GT
02-22-2014, 12:51
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Mouseskowitz
02-23-2014, 00:53
The newest member of my family a 1953 model 66. It smells like it spent some time an a smoking house but other than that seems to be in pristine shape. I think that might be the original rubber on the bobbin winder and the cord is supple with no cracks. A little oil and she'll be stitching away.

Bubba
02-23-2014, 01:33
Picked up this White Rotary machine model 43. I really like the looks of this one. It's a little different for me. It uses the knee bar instead of a foot pedal and it needs the handwheel turned opposite to all of my other machines.

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0588.jpg
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0587.jpg

Simple machine

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0589.jpg
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0590.jpg

Playing with the Zig Zag attachment

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0591.jpg

gmcttr
02-23-2014, 02:13
Yee Haw! Cowboy 4500 reporting for duty_ _ _ _ _

There's something about those heavy duty slow stitching machines that I really like.:boggle:


The newest member of my family a 1953 model 66...

Nice. What's the serial number on that one?


Picked up this White Rotary machine model 43...

I have enough trouble remembering which way to turn the hand wheel without having one that runs backwards.:laugh: Did they come off their asking price?

Bubba
02-23-2014, 02:37
...
I have enough trouble remembering which way to turn the hand wheel without having one that runs backwards.:laugh: Did they come off their asking price?

Lol. When I first got it home and was trying to grab the bobbin thread I was a little concerned. I finally notice that the top thread was being grabbed when I turned the hand wheel the other direction.

The machine has a car like sound to it when it starts to run. There is no belt. The hand wheel sits against another small rubber wheel like two gears. The motor is mounted on the back with a spring loaded bracket so it puts constant pressure against the hand wheel.

I whittled down the price a bit a little. With the Zig Zag and Button hole attachments, several different feet, the cabinet as well as an extra bobbin case, 10 bobbins and packs of needles, I didn't want to negotiate too much. Lots of extras that I would have had to buy anyways so it worked out pretty fairly.

VictoriaGuy
02-23-2014, 13:54
Cowboy Leather stitcher

I watched your 'unpacking video', and I must be missing something....(a common happening :) )
How do you sew with the needle/throat plate 'recessed' in the work table?

Mouseskowitz
02-23-2014, 16:40
Nice. What's the serial number on that one?


AL365353

I might go look at this 1913 66K this week. Don't know where I'd put it if I got it, but I really like the Lotus pattern. https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/atq/4346445763.html

gmcttr
02-23-2014, 21:03
AL365353

I might go look at this 1913 66K this week. Don't know where I'd put it if I got it, but I really like the Lotus pattern.

MY HOUSE, MY HOUSE, MY HOUSE!

I wonder how much they want for it. There's something about the Lotus pattern that I really like, I don't see them for sale very often and I want one!

You could always pick it up for me and drop it by when you come down to the the 2014 Hoosier Hang in April. Heck...since you have some time, you could even clean it up and oil it for me.:laugh:

GT
02-23-2014, 21:15
Picked up this White Rotary machine model 43. I really like the looks of this one. It's a little different for me. It uses the knee bar instead of a foot pedal and it needs the handwheel turned opposite to all of my other machines.

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0588.jpg
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0587.jpg

Simple machine

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0589.jpg
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0590.jpg

Playing with the Zig Zag attachment

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0591.jpg

Yeah! Nice indeed!

GT
02-23-2014, 21:29
I watched your 'unpacking video', and I must be missing something....(a common happening :) )
How do you sew with the needle/throat plate 'recessed' in the work table?

must be the way it looks. The plate is really exactly flush with the table.
Actually, the table is something that I will not use much.
I have already built a heavy duty tow strap with it for a 4x4 mudder event and it worked flawless.
Very happy with it. Can't wait to do some leatherwork, soon as I get some time to myself. :D

VictoriaGuy
02-24-2014, 00:18
AL365353

I might go look at this 1913 66K this week. Don't know where I'd put it if I got it, but I really like the Lotus pattern.


MY HOUSE, MY HOUSE, MY HOUSE!



Just park it next to your daily drive - the Model T !
:D
This hobby is more than a bit funny, when you think about it...

VictoriaGuy
02-24-2014, 00:25
must be the way it looks. The plate is really exactly flush with the table.

Ah, good. Must be the picture angle or something.

I could definitely sew my fingers together with that thing!:D

Mrprez
02-24-2014, 17:09
If I wasn't getting out of the DIY biz....Sailrite Ultrafeed model LS-1 $425.
http://mobile.craigslist.org/hsh/4348279713.html

hppyfngy
03-04-2014, 18:17
Hey Guys,
I have a line on two oldies. Minnesota A is rough, but complete, I think. Table and treadle are very clean but head was in a fire 22 years ago and has been in storage.
Singer is motorized and worked well in the 70's. Has been stored well since.

I don't know which Singer this is. Thoughts?

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu20/hppyfngy/Camping%20and%20Outdoors/MinnesotaA_zps8bcc697e.jpg

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu20/hppyfngy/Camping%20and%20Outdoors/7cf48e6a-7c6e-4c95-a014-286976a8c7e8_zps12c2cb16.jpg

The Old Boot
03-04-2014, 18:52
Hey Guys,
I have a line on two oldies. Minnesota A is rough, but complete, I think. Table and treadle are very clean but head was in a fire 22 years ago and has been in storage.
Singer is motorized and worked well in the 70's. Has been stored well since.

I don't know which Singer this is. Thoughts?



It looks like the serial number on that Singer is almost legible in the pic. I tried enlarging it but can't get it clear enough to be sure.

Given the number one of the 'TI experts' here will be able to identify it down to when and where it was made.

gmcttr
03-04-2014, 18:53
Stay away from the Minnesota A. Besides it's terrible condition, it has a vibrating shuttle which is an older style. In my opinion, this one is not worth putting any effort into.

The Singer is an early Model 15 with the lower end crinkle finish. I haven't seen one with that particular style stitch length adjuster lever so that's throwing me a little (nothing wrong with it, just different). The light and probably the motor are later aftermarket add-ons. I can't tell if it has reverse feed or not. If it worked in the '70s, it should work now with a little oil and TLC. I would not expect to pay over ~$20.

hppyfngy
03-04-2014, 19:02
Stay away from the Minnesota A. Besides it's terrible condition, it has a vibrating shuttle which is an older style. In my opinion, this one is not worth putting any effort into.

The Singer is an early Model 15 with the lower end crinkle finish. I haven't seen one with that particular style stitch length adjuster lever so that's throwing me a little (nothing wrong with it, just different). The light and probably the motor are later aftermarket add-ons. I can't tell if it has reverse feed or not. If it worked in the '70s, it should work now with a little oil and TLC. I would not expect to pay over ~$20.

Thanks.

I thought the Minnesota was a vibrating shuttle but the "A" was a ball bearing machine...

Either way, they're mine for free so I'll be playing with them and see. :D
The Minnesota A was my grandmother's and the Singer was my aunt's. The Singer was used well into the 80's. She had the light and motor added in the early 60's IIRC.

Talox
03-04-2014, 20:01
Looking at all these beauties made me jealous, So I had to go out and pick something up for myself. I decided I had best go new since I don’t know a thing about these machines (I can barely thread one) so nothing vintage here as I need to get a few items complete before the NEHHA Spring Swing. Hopefully this machine will last many years as I see the need to put together a couple of Fronkey bug nets, a hammock or 2, and a few stuff sacks.

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/3/6/8/0/1/emerald116.cropped_thumb.jpg (https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=23304&c=4)

CountryRoads
03-04-2014, 20:11
Looking at all these beauties made me jealous, So I had to go out and pick something up for myself. I decided I had best go new since I don’t know a thing about these machines (I can barely thread one) so nothing vintage here as I need to get a few items complete before the NEHHA Spring Swing. Hopefully this machine will last many years as I see the need to put together a couple of Fronkey bug nets, a hammock or 2, and a few stuff sacks.

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/3/6/8/0/1/emerald116_thumb.jpg (https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=23303&c=4)

Nice, I have an old Viking, from 1989. It's like new though, Victoriaguy and gmcttr helped me figure out a simple adjustment that I needed to make. That thing is gonna last you for life. Cool to see another Viking. I went through this whole thread and there are only a handful on here.

TZBrown
03-05-2014, 12:31
Well I have been accumulating again

A White model 77
This was my Mother in Laws, during clean up the wrinkle paint came off so I stripped it and waxed the metal.
Has a bunch of attachments and sews pretty well but not fast enough, or strong enough, for my liking, straight stitch only
http://c3.staticflickr.com/3/2832/12951663405_3fd2e93a50_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12951663405/)

A New Home, model 508, Made by Janome, well balanced and heavy, but no L or R needle position switch
[img]http://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3804/12951657495_3e459e63a1_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12951657495/)

A Kenmore 158 1802 The smoothest of the three, again but no L or R needle position switch
[img]http://c3.staticflickr.com/3/2845/12951801883_8a9b56fa81_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12951801883/)

A Brother nameplate, on a Singer 15 91 clone, made by Precision Sewing Machine Co in Japan
This one is fast, strong and very free spinning. You have to stop the handwheel or it will free spin past where you want to stop :eek:
[img]http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7342/12951795713_c4b7cddd8f_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/56844387@N04/12951795713/)

I spent some time with each one, detail cleaning, lubing, and replacing bobbin winder tires, and on the 77 the motor drive rubber wheel.
Now it is a challenge as to which one do I grab for the job at hand :lol:

hppyfngy
03-05-2014, 13:11
That Brother/Singer clone is sweet TZ! :D

gmcttr
03-05-2014, 16:51
...A Kenmore 158 1802 The smoothest of the three...

...Now it is a challenge as to which one do I grab for the job at hand :lol:

A Kenmore 158, smoothest of the three...I think you have the answer.:thumbup1:

TZBrown
03-05-2014, 18:54
That Brother/Singer clone is sweet TZ! :D

It is a real joy to use to


A Kenmore 158, smoothest of the three...I think you have the answer.:thumbup1:

It is a tossup between the 158 and the clone, the clone is faster, but does bump a bit, both are real smooth at start.

gmcttr
03-05-2014, 23:21
Use them both. I switch back and forth between machines depending on what I'm doing.

CountryRoads
03-10-2014, 19:05
Hey sewing machine wizards, would anyone mind telling me what these different presser feet do? They came with my machine. Number 6 isn't a presser foot but I don't know what it is. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/u7yza5uj.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/jyjytu3y.jpg
And a pat on the back to anyone who can tell me what this is. I have a Viking Optima 150E, if that helps. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/useqa8uq.jpg
And look what this injector just made!http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/anugymu9.jpg

gmcttr
03-10-2014, 19:32
1. Foot "B" used for reinforced zig zag
2. Used for blindstitching
3. Button hole foot
4. Zipper foot
5. Not sure unless it's to hold down a button while stitching it.
6. If you can't find a spot it fits that is missing the trim, it may be one of those parts that find their way into the sewing basket.

And a ruffler foot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boo0OZzvGLM) for extra credit.

Oh yeah...I cheated...here's the manual (http://s2.vsmgroup.com/VSM/Husqvarna%20Viking/HVManual.nsf/1fd5659e6f37141041256697003e64c0/ec766b820a80c8fb852575ed0072cbea/$FILE/Optima%20150E%20x.pdf).:lol:

CountryRoads
03-10-2014, 20:00
Thanks. Number 6 is actually a pressed foot, I think. Here's a pic of the other side. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/2e9y3yzu.jpg

You know, I thought I had the Manuel, but there must be more than one. The thing I have has a total of 43 pages, and is like reading a book on basic sewing methods. It's the "operating Manuel." I thought when I pulled the Manuel out that...this is mighty small for a machine like this. What the heck am I going to use a ruffler for?

Thumbs
03-10-2014, 20:26
I too have accumulated 9 machines this rather long winter. All have been have been cleaned, adjusted, oiled, and new belts/bobbin tires. What I have learned is that the older all mechanicals are really made to last.
I found a home for two with my friends and sold the White model 970 for enough to almost fund the other 6.

Currently using the Kenmore Model 90.
Not sure which one I will keep....

CountryRoads
03-10-2014, 20:36
Oh, I do have the same Manuel you posted a link to. I guess I just didn't pay close enough attention to all the diagrams, I haven't looked at it too much since I used it to figure out how to get it started. Just went through it again and I couldn't find that ruffler though.

e_2
03-10-2014, 20:38
So happy... got my first twin needle today:

http://i.imgur.com/bD1OzNl.jpg

gmcttr
03-10-2014, 21:15
Thanks. Number 6 is actually a pressed foot, I think. Here's a pic of the other side...

Duh...yes it is. It appears to be for left or right hand something depending on which way it's installed. I'd say it's another zipper foot, but the grooves on the bottom make me wonder.

gmcttr
03-10-2014, 21:25
I too have accumulated 9 machines this rather long winter.....

Nice! But all those young machines make me wonder what you have against the middle aged ones from a few decades farther back.:laugh:

Debi Jaytee
03-10-2014, 22:12
# could #6 be an invisible zipper foot?

Thumbs
03-11-2014, 06:29
Nice! But all those young machines make me wonder what you have against the middle aged ones from a few decades farther back.:laugh:

All but two are older than I....:shades:

VictoriaGuy
03-11-2014, 11:53
So happy... got my first twin needle today:


Is that 'twin needle-one bobbin' ?

What are your plans for it?

SimonMc
03-11-2014, 15:19
Not sure if I have posted this before but this is the treadle I bought for my wife which is what I use for most of my sewing now. Gee it's nice, there is something about the sound it makes when sewing :shades:

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/3/3/3/1/5/singer_treadle_954650_thumb.jpg (https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=23335&c=member&orderby=title&direction=ASC&imageuser=33315&cutoffdate=-1)

gmcttr
03-11-2014, 16:35
That's a sweet Singer 201-1 you've got.

SimonMc
03-11-2014, 17:45
That's a sweet Singer 201-1 you've got.

Yeah mate it's a beauty alright. It took me a while to get used to using the foot pedal and still focusing on the direction I needed to sew but I am getting there.

I have just started cutting out some fabric for a top quilt so that will be the next job it sees.

e_2
03-11-2014, 18:17
Is that 'twin needle-one bobbin' ?

What are your plans for it?

yep.. one bobbin, two spool. Just wanted to have some nice strong stretch stitches for a couple projects... and some decorative stuff - umm.. very manly decorative hardcore outdoor decorative stuff :lol:

cwford
03-11-2014, 18:28
I would assume that 2 top threads is no stronger that one. Strengthwise you're still limited to the single bobbin thread.

Now if its just for decoration then show off your purty stitchin!!!

squidbilly
03-12-2014, 08:36
Not sure if I have posted this before but this is the treadle I bought for my wife is was I use for most of my sewing now. Gee it's nice, there is something about the sound it makes when sewing :shades:

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/3/3/3/1/5/singer_treadle_954650_thumb.jpg (https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=23335&c=member&orderby=title&direction=ASC&imageuser=33315&cutoffdate=-1)

I can relate to that: I use a treadle for most of my sewing too.

SimonMc
03-12-2014, 17:42
I can relate to that: I use a treadle for most of my sewing too.

Geez I just read the sentence I wrote that you quoted :confused:. Me no speak too good.

I love the treadle now, hated it when I first tried using it. it was like trying to pat your head, and rub your stomach at the same time, and still sew a straight line.

squidbilly
03-12-2014, 18:37
Geez I just read the sentence I wrote that you quoted :confused:. Me no speak too good.

I love the treadle now, hated it when I first tried using it. it was like trying to pat your head, and rub your stomach at the same time, and still sew a straight line.

:laugh: That's OK I heard what you meant.

Here's mine

/www.dropbox.com/sc/f1frdhw5jgh31j6/ePT9eNm3NR

SimonMc
03-12-2014, 19:14
That's a sweet Necchi. There was an electric Necchi for sale in my home town, not long ago, and I regret not getting it now.

squidbilly
03-12-2014, 20:06
Thanks Simon, mine was electric too. While cleaning it I was impressed with how smooth and quiet it is. So I found the treadle base at a yard sale and had a woodworking friend to reproduce the tabletop. He used 200year old quartersawn oak salvaged from an old building that was being demolished. I'm happy with it!;)

VictoriaGuy
03-13-2014, 11:39
I would assume that 2 top threads is no stronger that one. Strengthwise you're still limited to the single bobbin thread.

Now if its just for decoration then show off your purty stitchin!!!

:thumbup1:

I think that style of double needle stitching is actually weaker than normal straight stitching, but we need some (low-altitude :)) testing to prove it!

Bubba
03-13-2014, 15:17
Well 4 more machines made it home with me.:rolleyes:

First 4 (https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1205035&postcount=828)
Fifth one (https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1206197&postcount=837)

This one is a White model 571. Initially because of the $15.00 price tag I picked it up more for the spare parts than to actually use but after cleaning it up, it is actually the smoothest machine I have.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0606.jpg

This is a Morse Fototmatic IV model 4400. I went to buy it off someone in hopes of it being a blue one I have seen online. I really liked the retro styling with the chrome. Unfortunately when I went to pick it up it was white. It still has a nice vintage look though.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0607.jpg

This is a Morse Apollo Model 6200. I wasn't going to buy it initially but after seeing it a few times at Value Village I decided to plug it in and see how it ran. It was smooth and quiet so I bought it even though it was missing the bobbin cover. A trip to my local shop and it was whole again.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0612.jpg

Finally, I've been wanting a Singer 15-91 for a while. It's going to be a restoration project but it still puts down a pretty good stitch. I've already cleaned it up a little and replaced the old electrical cords that were falling apart so it would be safer to handle. Hopefully in the Spring it'll be good as new.
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/6/7/9/8/dscf0609.jpg

MAD777
03-13-2014, 15:29
Um... my name is Bubba. I'm an addict. :lol:

Bubba
03-13-2014, 18:15
Um... my name is Bubba. I'm an addict. :lol:

Lol! I don't know what you're talking about. (Denial ain't just a river in Egypt)

VictoriaGuy
03-13-2014, 18:41
Lol! I don't know what you're talking about. (Denial ain't just a river in Egypt)

You are saving those machines from the metal recycling bin, so don't feel bad!
Not long ago an HF-er went back 'next day to the thrift store' to get a machine (Elna?) and was told it had gone in the scrap metal collection....don't let that happen!!

NO, I DO NOT have a problem!:D:D

TZBrown
03-13-2014, 19:27
Its only a problem if you are trying to quit :lol:

We can always serve as an example, maybe not a good one, but an example :laugh:

e_2
03-14-2014, 18:18
anyone have a manual for my Singer 3-120?

also... here's a pic of the top and bottom stitches that a twin needle will create (I just flipped the ripstop over.. same pattern and stitch length/width):

http://i.imgur.com/Ejb0dbN.png

squidbilly
03-14-2014, 18:57
http://http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/singer-sewing-machine-manuals.html

gmcttr
03-14-2014, 19:03
When I google Singer 3-120, all I get is the motor number for the Singer 221 Featherweights.

If that is what you have, the manuals can be found on this ISMACS page (http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/singer-sewing-machine-manuals.html). Look for the 221 models.

Edit...squidbilly beat me to it but posted a broken link so I win.:D

e_2
03-14-2014, 19:38
http://http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/singer-sewing-machine-manuals.html

Thanks



When I google Singer 3-120, all I get is the motor number for the Singer 221 Featherweights.

If that is what you have, the manuals can be found on this ISMACS page (http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/singer-sewing-machine-manuals.html). Look for the 221 models.

Edit...squidbilly beat me to it but posted a broken link so I win.:D

Yeah... let's call it a tie :P
After looking closer at the 221, I guess it is basically the same. Except for the musty scent, mine looks to be in near-mint condition as far as the exterior goes. Of course it was a bit locked up when I got it from my uncle's estate pile of random junk and crap. I'd love to get it working... I'm 93% confident I could restore it to working condition without help but I guess this is a heads up - I might be posting a frustrated "what do I do now" in the near future.

gmcttr
03-14-2014, 19:47
A tie it is. Don't hesitate to ask if you run into problems, but oiling and cleaning out the bobbin area may be enough to get it back in shape.

e_2
03-14-2014, 20:53
Peeled a wad of yellow thread out of the bobbin case... oiled and oiled and worked it for a while. Runs like a champ - just need a new bulb.

http://i.imgur.com/S0eurwt.png

*EDIT* I wonder why such a small machine needs eleven thousand thread guides...

Cowboy247
03-15-2014, 08:41
I just acquired a Dial-A-Stitch thread injector. works beautifully, has straight and zig-zag, no frills just a heavy all metal working machine. I cant find a manual anywhere, does anybody know what it is a clone of?

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag306/AustinCowboy247/photo1_zps623039c7.jpg
http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag306/AustinCowboy247/photo2_zps2f1c7b37.jpg
http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag306/AustinCowboy247/photo3_zpsebcae4ad.jpg

gmcttr
03-15-2014, 09:33
...runs like a champ - just need a new bulb...

Good deal. Make sure you get a 15 watt bulb as the 25 watt versions will peel the paint off the light housing.

squidbilly
03-15-2014, 10:03
When I google Singer 3-120, all I get is the motor number for the Singer 221 Featherweights.

If that is what you have, the manuals can be found on this ISMACS page (http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/singer-sewing-machine-manuals.html). Look for the 221 models.

Edit...squidbilly beat me to it but posted a broken link so I win.:D

:laugh: I'll concede. Had no idea e-2 was talking about a featherweight. I had the same problem with a Google search, so I just pointed him at Ismacs. I thought you (gmcttr) would know the model e-2 was referring to. I mentioned that number to my wife this AM, and she instantly replied: "that's the # on a featherweight motor"!

gmcttr
03-15-2014, 10:41
...I mentioned that number to my wife this AM, and she instantly replied: "that's the # on a featherweight motor"!

She should start answering questions for us. All I knew was it didn't look like a Singer model number and that people frequently confuse the motor number for the machine's. I googled it to see if it was an industrial machine or a motor number. I love the internet.

gmcttr
03-15-2014, 10:57
I just acquired a Dial-A-Stitch thread injector. works beautifully, has straight and zig-zag, no frills just a heavy all metal working machine. I cant find a manual anywhere, does anybody know what it is a clone of?...

Here's part 1&2 of a generic Japanese zig zag manual that may (or may not) be of some help.

81608 81609

Joining the vintagejapansewingmachines yahoo group (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/vintagejapansewingmachines/info) and asking them may get a better result.

Mouseskowitz
03-15-2014, 17:15
Well, I've added to my addiction, err collection. This latest one is a 1918 Singer model 66 with the Tiffany or Gingerbread pattern. I'm hoping it will clean up nice, but I'm a little nervous. In some areas it's already down to the silver. At some point it was converted to electric, but I don't have the cabinet it had been in. So, I can plug the motor in but it's all or nothing.

Cowboy247
03-15-2014, 17:19
Here's part 1&2 of a generic Japanese zig zag manual that may (or may not) be of some help.

81608 81609

Joining the vintagejapansewingmachines yahoo group (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/vintagejapansewingmachines/info) and asking them may get a better result.

Thanks gmcttr that's just what i was looking for.

e_2
03-15-2014, 22:17
Good deal. Make sure you get a 15 watt bulb as the 25 watt versions will peel the paint off the light housing.

Rodger that. I might try to rig an LED (I know... blasphemy!) in there in case I have to bring this one on the road. I'll still get the 15w and keep it with the case. It's such a nice machine if you just need straight stitches. Like having a kitten version of a thread injector. :)

Debi Jaytee
03-16-2014, 13:05
I just acquired a Dial-A-Stitch thread injector. works beautifully, has straight and zig-zag, no frills just a heavy all metal working machine. I cant find a manual anywhere, does anybody know what it is a clone of?

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag306/AustinCowboy247/photo1_zps623039c7.jpg
http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag306/AustinCowboy247/photo2_zps2f1c7b37.jpg
http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag306/AustinCowboy247/photo3_zpsebcae4ad.jpg
I don't know much about sewing machines, but that knob on the base is exactly the same as. On my old Kenmore

shipsgunner
03-16-2014, 15:39
Looking at all these beauties made me jealous, So I had to go out and pick something up for myself. I decided I had best go new since I don’t know a thing about these machines (I can barely thread one) so nothing vintage here as I need to get a few items complete before the NEHHA Spring Swing. Hopefully this machine will last many years as I see the need to put together a couple of Fronkey bug nets, a hammock or 2, and a few stuff sacks.

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/3/6/8/0/1/emerald116.cropped_thumb.jpg (https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=23304&c=4)

Never thought I would see a chainsaw manufacturer's name on a sewing machine...lol

BTW, What is the most common thread folks are using for the 1.1 - 1.9 silnylon and ripstop? Just wondering... I will post pics of my thread injector as soon as I figure out how...lol

Thanks
SG

shipsgunner
03-16-2014, 15:55
Ok, here is the first attempt at getting picks up on the board...

My recycled Thread Injector... it was a consignment. Picked it up for a couple of C bills this weekend.

81728 81729 81731

Not sure about the brand and I haven't seen one on this thread but it is MASSIVE heavy and had a nice table on it (note the Plexiglas). the shop had done all the maintenance and re-timed and belted it... It was manufactured 2011.

Thanks for looking
SG

BIG JEFF
03-16-2014, 16:41
A[QUOTE=shipsgunner;1222226]Never thought I would see a chainsaw manufacturer's name on a sewing machine
Thanks

I think its more like a sewing machine manufacturer who makes chainsaws who would think.

gmcttr
03-16-2014, 17:39
A[QUOTE=shipsgunner;1222226]Never thought I would see a chainsaw manufacturer's name on a sewing machine
Thanks

I think its more like a sewing machine manufacturer who makes chainsaws who would think.

You beat me to it. Husqvarna started making sewing machines in 1872. Those brutish chainsaws didn't come along until 1959.:laugh:

VictoriaGuy
03-16-2014, 17:50
Not sure about the brand and I haven't seen one on this thread but it is MASSIVE heavy and had a nice table on it (note the Plexiglas).
Janome machines are considered to be good quality - my local sewing centre (I trust 'em) sell and recommend them.
:) though you won't get a lotta love here for anything with a display panel/screen! Lotsa folks seem to think a sewing machine that uses electricity is 'new-fangled'!:lol:

Is that a knee lever in the pic?

shipsgunner
03-16-2014, 19:36
Yup, it has the knee lever with it and all the "Foots" and Plexiglas table... I don't expect to use many of the features it has on it as I only want utilitarian stitches (manly stuff and all that...lol) and a few lock/bar tacks... So far, it has collected dust until I figure out what threads to use on SilNylon...

gmcttr
03-16-2014, 20:41
Use a good quality 100% polyester thread. Many of us use one of the Gutermann threads from DIY Gear Supply as he has a good selection. You don't need a "heavy duty outdoor" or upholstery thread for Silnylon.

shipsgunner
03-16-2014, 20:51
Use a good quality 100% polyester thread. Many of us use one of the Gutermann threads from DIY Gear Supply as he has a good selection. You don't need a "heavy duty outdoor" or upholstery thread for Silnylon.

Awesome! Thanks. I will get some on order... Looking forward to making some "trail-useful" stuff.

Thanks
SG

VictoriaGuy
03-16-2014, 20:56
BTW, What is the most common thread folks are using for the 1.1 - 1.9 silnylon and ripstop? Just wondering...


I use Gutermann Mara (cheaper from diygearsupply or online thread place than at your local fabric store)
https://diygearsupply.com/product/gutermann-mara/

Either Gutermann or Metler (Metrosene) 100% polyester from the fabric store will work fine for projects, IMO..if you can't wait to get thread by mailorder :).
If you are just setting up the machine and sewing cotton scraps, (name-brand) polycotton thread works fine, IME.
Thread will 'go bad' in the right (hot, humid) conditions, so buy some new thread.
I'd stay away from the no-name stuff that I see at the 'big box' store.

VictoriaGuy
03-16-2014, 20:57
Yup, it has the knee lever with it .

Does the knee lever control the motor, or lift the presser foot?

shipsgunner
03-16-2014, 21:05
The knee lever lifts the presser foot so I can use both hands handling the material...kinda nice.

thanks
SG

gmcttr
03-16-2014, 21:12
Also, sharp point needles sized to your thread will work best with a universal point as a second choice.

shipsgunner
03-16-2014, 21:19
Also, sharp point needles sized to your thread will work best with a universal point as a second choice.

Until today, I didn't know there was anything but sharp needles...Seriously, I really didn't. What size needles fit the Mara 70 and Tera 60? Might as well get them on order too...lol I guess it's time to take a class on using the thread injector... As the Village Idiot, I don't want to destroy the expensive fabric learning how.

Thanks
SG

gmcttr
03-16-2014, 21:40
Gutermann recommends NM 90-100/14-16 needles for both Tera 60 (https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/guet_productDetail?currentProduct=tera_60&showprices=true&node=Industry-Leather-Tera&type=) and Mara 70 (https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/guet_productDetail?currentProduct=mara_70&showprices=true&node=Industry-Clothing-Mara&type=). I use a size 14 needle for Mara 70 But haven't tried the Mara 60 yet.

The Schmetz Microtex (Sharp) Needles (http://www.schmetzneedles.com/category/Needles-Household-Carded-2/rec/10) are very good.

Big Sweets
03-16-2014, 22:32
81759

Just picked this up 2 days ago. Singer Model 6235 made in 1986 or 87. Bought it from the daughter of the original owner, well maintained and complete, for $50.

Bubba
03-17-2014, 22:56
Last machine for a while...I promise.

Picked up this treadle yesterday. It was $80.00 which is pretty good for what's available around me. Near as I can figure, its a rebranded machine of some kind. I should have gotten a Singer as they are easier to find parts for but it'll do. I've got enough vintage electric machines for now so I figured get this and I'll be good for a while. I finally got it to put down some stitches but its missing its check spring so I'm just cleaning it up and getting the feel for the foot motion. It's really fun to use and requires a bit more concentration and coordination. It hasn't taken me long to get the hang of it though. All I need now is to get it tuned up, cleaned up and ready for proper use.
81922
81921

gmcttr
03-18-2014, 00:33
...Just picked this up 2 days ago...

Nice. You've had it for a few days now so where's the "first project" photos?:laugh:


Last machine for a while...I promise...

...Near as I can figure, its a rebranded machine of some kind. I should have gotten a Singer as they are easier to find parts for but it'll do...

Right...that'll be the last one.:rolleyes:

I was told that when you buy a treadle, buy it for the cabinet. Goods heads are easy to find and can be swapped in, but treadle cabinets in good shape are much harder to find. Your's looks pretty good in the photos.

SCWalker
03-18-2014, 07:22
What oil do you guys use on your machines?I have a Singer Fashion Mate 237.Mine is in this thread sum whurs.

Bubba
03-18-2014, 08:07
What oil do you guys use on your machines?I have a Singer Fashion Mate 237.Mine is in this thread sum whurs.

I use a good sewing machine oil from my local sewing shop.

gmcttr
03-18-2014, 11:01
What oil do you guys use on your machines?I have a Singer Fashion Mate 237.Mine is in this thread sum whurs.


I use a good sewing machine oil from my local sewing shop.

^^^ This. I use sewing machine oil or Tri-Flow oil (http://shop.sew-classic.com/4-Oil-Grease-Tools_c6.htm) (the stuff found in bicycle shops).

Do not use 3-in-1, WD-40 and other household oils.

Big Sweets
03-19-2014, 01:41
Nice. You've had it for a few days now so where's the "first project" photos?:laugh:

I just figured out how to thread the bobbin, apparently its not the standard procedure like every other machine in the world. After the initial learning curve Ill be on my way.

http://www.quorrischarmyn.com/the-singer-6235-bobbins/

Mouseskowitz
03-27-2014, 19:43
This is my latest acquisition, a 1923 Singer model 66 "Red Eye". It seems to be original electric since I doubt they would bother changing the hand wheel if they were converting it. It came with the original manual :thumbup:and a button holer. Not much to clean on it, so a little oil and we'll see how she runs. My only complaint is that some moron painted the back inspection plate black at some point :cursing:

gmcttr
03-27-2014, 22:02
Pretty. Should be a good stitcher.

NJTroutstalker
03-30-2014, 10:33
Well here's my new to me thread injector! Craigslist add says is 70's vintage but looks 50's to me.

Montgomery wards, made in japan.

82719

Looks brand new. $50 bucks!

gmcttr
03-30-2014, 13:08
The Japanese 15 class clones are generally very good machines. Enjoy.

Shurppa
03-30-2014, 14:57
This is my 1948 15-91 Singer82734

gmcttr
03-30-2014, 15:24
This is my 1948 15-91 Singer

And with my favorite cabinet, the queen anne style.

NJTroutstalker
03-31-2014, 07:28
One more shot. As a car guy, it's still nice to see all metal works!
82775

HamMike
03-31-2014, 08:52
Yeah I love the metal ones too. Fightin the urge to grab an old Japanese Morse at the thrift store. I already have two machines.

VictoriaGuy
04-15-2014, 18:15
I'd been waiting for a Bernina to add to my collection - was hoping for an 830 but this one came along yesterday and I couldn't resist. (I didn't have to break my '$50 rule' either. :))
83894
It's a real guy machine- lotsa oiling points...
83893
Super-thoughtful design (those Swiss...) ...the plate on top of the free arm comes off (spring latch in the bobbin area) to reveal the oiling points for the feed dog and bobbin mechanism.
83892
Only one non-metal part in the power train, and it's only for rotating the decorative stitch cam, so the machine would sew straight & zig without it.

83891

It took a bit of work with solvent and the oiler to get it all loosened up - wouldn't zig, wouldn't reverse at first - the usual, but now it's humming along.

Knee lever is surprisingly easy to love - no more chasing a foot pedal across the floor with this machine!

With an adapter, it can take generic low-shank presser feet, which is good, since the originals got lost in the estate when the late (15 yrs ago) owner died.

BIG JEFF
04-15-2014, 21:30
Good deal on the Bernina you need to look at the asking prices on ebay for 730 record. The special stitch drive gear can be had for about 30 bucks and is about the only thing that fails on this machine. You made a good investment.

gmcttr
04-15-2014, 22:36
Good deal on the Bernina you need to look at the asking prices on ebay for 730 record. ..

Very sweet deal. Congrats.

VictoriaGuy
04-15-2014, 23:29
Good deal on the Bernina you need to look at the asking prices on ebay for 730 record. The special stitch drive gear can be had for about 30 bucks and is about the only thing that fails on this machine. You made a good investment.


Very sweet deal. Congrats.

Thanks! I was lucky on this one. I even convinced the owner to KEEP the cabinet (I don't need another) unit, so I didn't have to dispose of it.
And, yes, I did look on eBay before I headed out!
:)

KingsFord
04-22-2014, 20:04
I got lucky and found this last weekend.
84447

VictoriaGuy
04-22-2014, 20:21
I got lucky and found this last weekend.
84447

Nice catch. Necchi machines are missing from my collection, but I'm lurking....:lol:

gmcttr
04-22-2014, 21:15
I got lucky and found this last weekend...

Yep, nice find. I bought one Necchi and quickly bought 3 more.

nuttysquirrel
04-23-2014, 01:27
made in 1954. sewed right out of my trunk!no fixerupering needed!844718447284473

VictoriaGuy
04-23-2014, 11:57
made in 1954.
Really?
They must have been going for a 'retro' look, even then. :)

nuttysquirrel
04-23-2014, 12:01
Really?
They must have been going for a 'retro' look, even then. :) the motor was patented in 27. can't find a date on the body, but i think most kenmore and white clones were made about that time.

ErickSaint
04-23-2014, 12:23
There is a list I found that tells the years that correspond with the Kenmore/White model numbers. I think I have it at home. If I do, I'll send it, or post a link to the site.

My model number was stamped on a metal tag on the bottom front if the machine.

mjs3350
04-23-2014, 13:32
I got lucky and found this last weekend.
84447

Just picked up a nice Singer 237, but I won't be happy until I get my hands on a BU Nova. It's got to be the manliest non-industrial thread injector out there.

Geck0
04-26-2014, 22:54
I picked up a Kenmore 117-959 in cabinet today at the thrift store for $27. The presser foot is stuck up though.
And the rubber drive wheel is flat spotted, but I have high hopes for it. I believe it's a '47 or '48.
Pics to follow...

gmcttr
04-27-2014, 00:55
...The presser foot is stuck up though.
And the rubber drive wheel is flat spotted...

Probably just gummed up/varnished oil. A few drops of alcohol or odorless kerosene a couple of times a day along with a bit of jiggling should free it up. A replacement drive wheel can probably be found. Sew Classic (http://shop.sew-classic.com/Motors-and-Motor-Parts_c21.htm) has a couple of them...you may get lucky.

Debi Jaytee
04-27-2014, 06:57
I picked up a singer 237 for my sister, she doesn't want it because it doesn't do "fancy stitches". Oh well, now I don't have to cart my machine to my boyfriends, it's going there. :). Her loss. It's in immaculate condition84656

ErickSaint
04-27-2014, 07:04
I picked up a Kenmore 117-959 in cabinet today at the thrift store for $27. The presser foot is stuck up though.
And the rubber drive wheel is flat spotted, but I have high hopes for it. I believe it's a '47 or '48.
Pics to follow...

I just restored the exact machine a few months ago. That entire front head comes off so cleaning is pretty easy. Just as gmcttr suggested, I got both a new drive wheel and new bobbin tire from Sew-Classic. Here is a pic of what the inside of the front head looks like. I took a couple of pictures during the overhaul process, they can be seen here. http://blog.ericksaint.com/1948-kenmore-restoration/

http://blog.ericksaint.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DSC02090.jpg

GT
04-27-2014, 07:14
Probably just gummed up/varnished oil. A few drops of alcohol or odorless kerosene a couple of times a day along with a bit of jiggling should free it up. A replacement drive wheel can probably be found. Sew Classic (http://shop.sew-classic.com/Motors-and-Motor-Parts_c21.htm) has a couple of them...you may get lucky.
Yip! Someone gave me one that was in a barn for years and years that looked like new but hardly moved. My tech told me it was probably gummed up with the oil that they used of the time. So I took a couple cans of shop solve to it and it works like a charm now.

Geck0
04-27-2014, 07:48
I did have the front cover off. I will try the alcohol/kerosene.

ErickSaint, what kind of needles are you using? I will need those too.

gmcttr
04-27-2014, 09:13
I picked up a singer 237 for my sister, she doesn't want it because it doesn't do "fancy stitches"...

Her loss your gain.:)

Our local trash dump has an area to drop off usable items for others to look over. A friend grabbed a Fashion Mate sewing machine for me. When she called me about it I wasn't too excited thinking it was a later model with plastic gears. Then I found out it is a 237....happy happy.:laugh:

SCWalker
04-27-2014, 09:38
I picked up a singer 237 for my sister, she doesn't want it because it doesn't do "fancy stitches". Oh well, now I don't have to cart my machine to my boyfriends, it's going there. :). Her loss. It's in immaculate condition84656

I have that machine.Quality unit.Link in my sig line to it.

Wkerber
04-27-2014, 13:01
I picked up a singer 237 for my sister, she doesn't want it because it doesn't do "fancy stitches". Oh well, now I don't have to cart my machine to my boyfriends, it's going there. :). Her loss. It's in immaculate condition84656

I have that machine as well. Does the 2 stitches you need for DIY just fine. The other bonus about that machine is you can put it on a Singer Treadle. However, right now I'm still partial to electricity. Maybe one day when I get bored or run across a cheap treadle.

boulderv7
04-29-2014, 07:58
This is my newly acquired machine. I couldn't pass it up. $10. It was already rewired and sewing pretty decently. Needs some cleaning and oil, but it has lots of potential. Anyone know any thing about it? I believe it is just a generic singer clone. It says made bit japan. It has a serial number. I don't even know where to look for info. A few google searches didn't bring up much. Its pretty though. :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/29/2u7y3uvy.jpg

TZBrown
04-29-2014, 08:21
Model 15 clone for sure
Usually these have a more powerful motor than a Singer

Some research info
http://vssmb.blogspot.com/search/label/identifying
http://www.parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/15.pdf

Good find

boulderv7
04-29-2014, 08:58
Model 15 clone for sure
Usually these have a more powerful motor than a Singer

Some research info
http://vssmb.blogspot.com/search/label/identifying
http://www.parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/15.pdf

Good find

Thanks for the link TZ. Yeah, it has a .9 amp motor. Goes through 3 layers of webbing with ease. It is a sweet machine.

gmcttr
04-29-2014, 10:32
Yep, generally the Japanese class 15 clones are very good machines. Here's a couple more links that might be of interest.

http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/ha-1-ib-wgh-instruction-manual.pdf

http://blog.sew-classic.com/2008/12/31/it-looks-just-like-an-old-singer-sort-of-review-of-the-ha1-class-15-clone.aspx

boulderv7
04-29-2014, 21:43
Yep, generally the Japanese class 15 clones are very good machines. Here's a couple more links that might be of interest.

http://www.ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/manuals/ha-1-ib-wgh-instruction-manual.pdf

http://blog.sew-classic.com/2008/12/31/it-looks-just-like-an-old-singer-sort-of-review-of-the-ha1-class-15-clone.aspx
Thanks! Sew classic is an awesome resource!

Bubba
04-29-2014, 21:49
Great price! I found a class 15 clone for $35.00 a while back. It sews a nice straight stitch and is in excellent shape. Have fun with it!


This is my newly acquired machine. I couldn't pass it up. $10. It was already rewired and sewing pretty decently. Needs some cleaning and oil, but it has lots of potential. Anyone know any thing about it? I believe it is just a generic singer clone. It says made bit japan. It has a serial number. I don't even know where to look for info. A few google searches didn't bring up much. Its pretty though. :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/29/2u7y3uvy.jpg

New2trees
04-30-2014, 01:29
Putting it to use My Wife never did LOL My first project.
84920

Bubba
04-30-2014, 10:13
Putting it to use My Wife never did LOL My first project.
84920

Where's the rest of the machine? :)

gmcttr
04-30-2014, 10:40
Putting it to use My Wife never did LOL My first project.
84920

Place the stitches on the other edge of the hem.:)

mcspin50
04-30-2014, 21:24
Whew! It took me four days, but I finally made it through all 96 pages of this thread! I didn't see any machines the same brand as mine...Riccar. Japanese, I believe. Bought it new in the mid-to-late 70's to sew leather checkbooks for our handcrafted leathergoods business. It has two speeds...rabbit and turtle (at least that's the images the toggle button has on it). Turtle speed worked well sewing through two layers of stamped or tooled checkbook leather. There is one plastic gear that I had to have replaced maybe 5 years ago, and then another repair about a year ago. I've used it to sew quilt tops, do applique, sew checkbooks and leather pouches, covers for my teardrop trailer mattresses, 1000 denier Cordura case for my portable solar panel and much more. Last project was sewing a noseeum double end stuff sack for one of my hammocks.

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I also have my Grandmother's treadle sewing machine in a full cabinet, but I don't have any pics of it yet. I do remember trying to sew on it in high school (back in the Dark Ages) and it was sorely in need of adjustments then. All your great posts on how to work on the old machines will be really helpful when I tackle fixing it.

gmcttr
04-30-2014, 21:50
Many fine machines came out of Japan.

It sounds like you have the experience to help us out with our sewing problems. As you've seen, there have been many members using a machine for the first time with many problems getting the stitching correct. Looking forward to your posts.

jolunder
05-04-2014, 14:48
I'm happy to introduce y'all to my believed to be broken machine! I couldn't get the tension right for almost half a year now. Turns out the little one just needed some love aka cleaning and oil :-)
Now it's up and running again:
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Just made myself a little ridgelineirganiser with it, with tons of room for future improvement:
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Originally I wanted to make it out of mosquitonetting, but failed. The netting puckered up. So to save the evening I went for plain ripstop. Still I'm open to ideas on how to sew netting, as I got a canoetrip coming up in a few weeks for which I still need protection from buzzing airstrikes. The plan is to do a fronkey-style net.

VictoriaGuy
05-04-2014, 15:02
Originally I wanted to make it out of mosquitonetting, but failed. The netting puckered up. So to save the evening I went for plain ripstop. Still I'm open to ideas on how to sew netting, as I got a canoetrip coming up in a few weeks for which I still need protection from buzzing airstrikes. The plan is to do a fronkey-style net.

Looks like a nice capable machine!

For your 'sewing netting' problem, I'd recommend posting a new thread in the DIY area, with (if possible) pictures of the problem.
Tension, zig-zag, the way you hold the material can all affect/solve problems with puckering, IME.

jolunder
05-04-2014, 15:05
Looks like a nice capable machine!
Thanks!

For your 'sewing netting' problem, I'd recommend posting a new thread in the DIY area, with (if possible) pictures of the problem.
Tension, zig-zag, the way you hold the material can all affect/solve problems with puckering, IME.

Thanks for the advice. I'll do that as soon as I get the no-see-um and know how that works out!

gmcttr
05-04-2014, 17:27
Yep...cleaning and oil is all most of them need. Nice machine.

jolunder
05-04-2014, 23:37
Yep...cleaning and oil is all most of them need. Nice machine.

Thanks :-). Indeed impressive what a difference the clean and oil job did.

kirsten
05-08-2014, 12:42
Lol, i love that you guys call it a "thread injector!"

I was looking all through the forums for a post about "sewing machines." [smacks forehead]

So, I think i've used a... erm thread injector only once in my life when i was a little girl. I think I made some kind of hideously wonky pillow case... But now I'm thinking I'd like to try it out again ( I want to try to make a DIY bugnet, yay me!) and was looking for any recomendations on a decent, inexpensive thread injector. Any recommendations that won't cost me a fortune or involve lengthy craigs list stalking? thanks!

VictoriaGuy
05-08-2014, 13:36
Any recommendations that won't cost me a fortune or involve lengthy craigs list stalking? thanks!

If you are in KansasCity, I'd recommend hunting down a reliable sewing machine shop that sells used machines. Anything that works and has a (probably short, if used machine) warranty will do for gear building. Some sewing shops offer (free) sewing lessons and you should definitely expect 20 min or so of basic instruction if you purchase when the shop isn't too busy. After that, it's YouTube and here at HF in the DIY section!

I don't know your definition of 'a fortune'... ;-) but I'd avoid the (new, throwaway) $125 and under, 'big box' machines, though one of those would probably work fine unless you are trying to sew through layers of webbing.

Mouseskowitz
05-08-2014, 16:46
Any recommendations that won't cost me a fortune or involve lengthy craigs list stalking? thanks!

I just did a quick search in your area and I wish I was in your area. Here are three machines that would be great if they run. They are all asking $75 but you could probably talk them down another $10-20. If they run but are a little slow they probably just need oil.

Singer Model 15 (https://kansascity.craigslist.org/atq/4458705034.html)
Singer Model 201 (https://kansascity.craigslist.org/for/4457139474.html) - This is an absolute steal if it runs!
Singer Model 401A (https://kansascity.craigslist.org/hsh/4454484077.html)

kirsten
05-10-2014, 10:28
Wow! thank you SO much for the suggestions, guys! And especially the craigs list footwork (legwork?), Mouseskowitz! I just didn't even know what to look for. It's funny, I think my Mum may have had that 201 model. It looks identical... even the cabinet, although hers was more of a dark walnut finish. Too bad she lives in Germany :(
The sewing machine shops is a good idea too as I probably need some instruction to start. I started looking on youtube but i dunno, it just got a bit overwhelming to me i guess.

VictoriaGuy
05-10-2014, 12:36
but i dunno, it just got a bit overwhelming to me i guess.
You can do this....it is just another DIY skill.....

Sewing is like any other skill, IMO...you need to start slow, without a deadline or a complicated project. That's why they start kids in woodworking shop making the bookends, not the bow-front dresser drawers! With cooking, start with stew, not Beef Wellington, etc......

My suggestions:
1)Start with a machine that you know is working properly. I've bought a half-dozen used machines - all except one were advertised as 'working' but none of them were. Most used machines in my area are being sold by non-sewers - selling 'granny's old machine', estate sales, used machines that were never used, etc...and if the motor whirrs, it's 'working'... If you don't already know how to sew, it's tough to know if the machine needs a tune-up or it is your technique that's lacking. So I'd forget about getting most CraigsList machines, unless you have a helpful sewer nearby to help you check out the machine and get it sewing properly. Most 'seamstresses' don't have much interest or knowledge in fixing even simple machine problems, in my experience...that's the 'easy money' for the sewing machine mechanics....

2) Get an old bedsheet and iron it, or buy a new cheap one from WM or discount store. Make some simple bags, stuffsacks, practice seams, etc with that material. Starting with netting or slippery fabric would be a challenge.

3) Use good (Gutermann or Mettler) thread from a local sewing shop (might as well get 100% polyester because that's what you'll use for outdoor projects) and some new name-brand 'sharp' or Microtex needles (not ball-point or leather). Most older machines have an assortment of damaged needles returned to the package....

Have fun!

Debi Jaytee
05-10-2014, 15:17
I agree with Victoriaguy 100%! I only started thread injecting about six months ago...went to the Salvation Army and got some old sheets and pillowcases, etc. practiced seams over and over and over. Got an amazing amount of help from this forum (I couldn't even thread the machine when I bought it -on a whim with no instruction manual). I bought books, watched videos, asked questions, took a beginner class where I asked even more questions, read some more, practiced a LOT! Yesterday, I made myself a new skirt. :-). I know, I know, it's not camping gear, but it sure gave me a sense of accomplishment!

Ramblinrev
05-10-2014, 15:42
One way to learn straight lines is to use graph paper. Now wait.... before you run off and slip some paper in your new baby there is a right way to do it. First use _no_ thread. Thread is not required to learn how to operate a machine. Second.. use a garbage needle. Usually the machine has an old needle that would be replaced anyway. Paper dulls a needle fast than anything else except maybe tin foil. Third.. Don't expect to have fun and kicks and giggles. The purpose of this is basic practice. When graph paper is no longer a challenge find some old discarded coloring books and practice odd shapes and curves. Youll pick it up in no time.

The holes the needle makes in the paper lets you keep track of how cleanly you are following the straight lines of the paper. As you move on you can practice turns, stops and starts. Once you are happy with your accuracy on the paper you can set the machine up properly and use some scrap striped fabric. Old shirts, boxer shorts are fine.

Maverick Gear
05-10-2014, 16:31
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This old girl is quick and sew anything I put in front of her

SimonMc
05-10-2014, 17:00
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This old girl is quick and sew anything I put in front of her

She has seen some miles Jeff. Which model is that?

I might be picking up another Singer next week, this time a 201 electric. That will make 3, another addiction :scared:.

VictoriaGuy
05-10-2014, 18:56
As you move on you can practice turns, stops and starts.
It takes a while to get the technique of leaving the 'needle down' (aka in the fabric), then lifting the presser foot to pivot the work at corners....much easier if you have a machine that will stitch slowly (properly lubricated free-running machine with a motor that can run slowly - usually for me this means an electronic control...). I often need to turn the handwheel a bit to get the needle fully down.
A new machine with 'automatic needle down' will solve this little technique problem!

Lepmeister
05-12-2014, 09:44
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1951 201k

dougalcorn
05-12-2014, 21:09
I was going to use my wife's machine to hem some fabric for a hammock, but she didn't like that at all. Turns out someone gave her an extra machine who knows how long ago that's been sitting down in the basement. Now it's mine!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/13/ne5enare.jpg

Pfaff hobbymatic 803

Cut a 1' swath of dutch's argon 1.6 and hemmed it all the way around. After a bumpy start, I kinda got the hang of it.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/13/2u5e2ady.jpg

Tomorrow night I'll tackle hemming the rest of the fabric into a SL hammock!

VictoriaGuy
05-12-2014, 22:33
I was going to use my wife's machine to hem some fabric for a hammock, but she didn't like that at all. Turns out someone gave her an extra machine who knows how long ago that's been sitting down in the basement. Now it's mine!

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Good move for 'domestic harmony' !
:)

slugbait
05-13-2014, 14:47
Enjoy your Pfaff- I've had good luck with my Hobbymatic 955 for over 20 years.

DemostiX
05-14-2014, 18:54
One way to learn straight lines is to use graph paper. Now wait.... before you run off and slip some paper in your new baby there is a right way to do it. First use _no_ thread. Thread is not required to learn how to operate a machine. Second.. use a garbage needle. Usually the machine has an old needle that would be replaced anyway. Paper dulls a needle fast than anything else except maybe tin foil. Third.. Don't expect to have fun and kicks and giggles. The purpose of this is basic practice. When graph paper is no longer a challenge find some old discarded coloring books and practice odd shapes and curves. Youll pick it up in no time.

The holes the needle makes in the paper lets you keep track of how cleanly you are following the straight lines of the paper. As you move on you can practice turns, stops and starts. Once you are happy with your accuracy on the paper you can set the machine up properly and use some scrap striped fabric. Old shirts, boxer shorts are fine.

Excellent, excellent suggestions. There is just no substitute for practice, and the learning curve doesn't have to be steep. The difference between NO experience and some to be gained with the immediate feedback of Ramblin Rev's suggestions cannot be overstated.

Thanks, especially for the suggestion to follow the outlines of 'toons. I've been using large patterns in scraps I purchase. But, paper cartoons are even cheaper.

mjs3350
05-14-2014, 21:13
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/15/qape9ape.jpg

Here's my "new to me" Necchi BU Nova I picked up last week. Cleaned it up, oiled it, replaced the motor, wiring, rubbers, and swapped the foot controller for a modern electric one. Runs better than new!

VictoriaGuy
05-15-2014, 00:26
Here's my "new to me" Necchi BU Nova I picked up last week. Cleaned it up, oiled it, replaced the motor, wiring, rubbers, and swapped the foot controller for a modern electric one. Runs better than new!
That's a slick looking machine....
:thumbup1:

Thumbs
05-15-2014, 06:33
Nice injector! I see you are also an RC car guy.

mjs3350
05-15-2014, 08:15
Nice injector! I see you are also an RC car guy.

Yea, I've got a bad habit of getting into expensive hobbies and then getting bored with them haha. RC is a lot of fun but also a lot of work and I've got too many other hobbies keeping me busy!

PapaSmurf
05-17-2014, 22:29
I've had a few people ask about mine so here's a look at my current setup.


http://youtu.be/1B668RDspA4

SCWalker
05-18-2014, 10:03
Love that crankcase like a car set up complete with oil pump and oiling system.That machine should out last the interwebs.

miyanc
05-18-2014, 22:55
I've had a few people ask about mine so here's a look at my current setup.


http://youtu.be/1B668RDspA4
It definitely looks like an awesome machine, but I really love the table. The ruler built in and trays for stuff. I need a room, machine and table just like that.

MAD777
05-22-2014, 12:49
NOT my machines, but I had to post this picture. Last weekend, my daughter & I were shopping in the haute shopping district on Newbury Sreet in Boston. We came upon AllSaints Spitalfields fashion storefront and I almost smashed the glass to grab one under each arm and run! Instead, I got my daughter to snap this picture of me salivating.
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dougalcorn
05-22-2014, 13:11
NOT my machines, but I had to post this picture. Last weekend, my daughter & I were shopping in the haute shopping district on Newbury Sreet in Boston. We came upon AllSaints Spitalfields fashion storefront and I almost smashed the glass to grab one under each arm and run! Instead, I got my daughter to snap this picture of me salivating.

That is cool. It's a bit of a shame all those machines are set aside as idle; but it's neat to see so many in one place

VictoriaGuy
05-22-2014, 16:29
That is cool. It's a bit of a shame all those machines are set aside as idle; but it's neat to see so many in one place

They look like hand-cranked machines?
There were millions (literally) of those in India...now that electricity is more reliable in India, perhaps folks are switching to electrics and the old machines are finding their way into the curio/antique market here in N. America?

I guess I don't have two copies of the 'nostalgia gene' . I use a pop-up toaster, color TV and a zig-zag electric sewing machine.... and remember when I didn't have any of those.. :)

squidbilly
05-22-2014, 20:59
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/15/qape9ape.jpg

Here's my "new to me" Necchi BU Nova I picked up last week. Cleaned it up, oiled it, replaced the motor, wiring, rubbers, and swapped the foot controller for a modern electric one. Runs better than new!

Nice! Drove to Kulpmont, Pa once to pick up a BU Mira in a Coronet Cabinet. It has the wonder wheel, all it's original accessories, manuals and brochures, Necchi needles-even an "official" Necchi paper bag from the local dealer. The guy I bought it from said it belonged to his mom. He couldn't believe I actually showed up that day. He said that I apparently love Necchi as much as his mom did.

Debi Jaytee
05-24-2014, 07:02
That is cool. It's a bit of a shame all those machines are set aside as idle; but it's neat to see so many in one place

That's amazing! I could spend a couple of hours investigating in there

ScottyDale
05-24-2014, 09:12
While visiting my dad recently I was sharing with him about my family's newfound love for hammock camping, DIY gear, etc. I asked if Mom had ever used a sewing machine when we were kids. He grinned and took me back to a room and showed me this: http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/24/de8e5ane.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/24/uzy6ave7.jpg

Turns out Dad was the resident injector of thread in our home! He's had this Sears Kenmore 158.950 since the mid-60's, cabinet and all. It's been froze up for a few years, and now he uses a Big box Singer when he needs to. I took it to a local shop and they cleaned, oiled, repaired, and gave it a once over with a monkey wrench. The gear that turns the deco stitch cams is broken, but now straight stitches great. My son and I put together a 5th grade history quilt project this week, and now he's hooked too. Thanks everyone for instilling this MYOG bug for us!

FJRpilot
05-24-2014, 16:18
Boy, have I been bit by the bug.... Here is my newest acquisition today.... 1938 model 15-90... Off CL... $60 with table....

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Grunt06
05-25-2014, 00:54
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Picked this Kenmore 148 up for $30 just got it back from the shop had them do a full servicing. Now to learn how to use it so I can start hanging!

miyanc
05-25-2014, 01:40
Boy, have I been bit by the bug.... Here is my newest acquisition today.... 1938 model 15-90... Off CL... $60 with table....

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Nice. I need a nicer table, I have my 15-91 in a ugly looking thing and the machine is perfect. If new the table would be fine in terms of usability, but its warn, damaged and very low. I understand most machines were either designed for women or old women. I also see a great many tables that dont even allow you to slid under it. I don't know how long I would last, not being able to slide my legs under the work area like a desk. Glad to see cl is good for something other then, well the other thing they are known for.

Hangs4Fun
05-25-2014, 16:38
Well, here's my setup. Besides injecting polyester thread into nylon for outdoor gear, I also do leather injecting (I make hunting frocks, possibles bags, etc out of Elk buck skin). This Janome HD3000 is just crazy strong and I love how its feet goes extra high and just rides up and down like a good car suspension as it goes over different height materials.
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I also like how the top is nice and clean by keeping the spools up underneath the lid and a place to organize all your feet.
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I re-purposed a fishing tackle box, to hold all the pieces I need for various outdoor gear projects.
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I prefer to keep all my supplies easy to get to, just noticed I am out of shock cord ;-)
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ScottyDale
05-25-2014, 16:42
NICE ORGANIZATION! Something to aspire to. Thanks for sharing your setup!

Grapenut
05-29-2014, 20:41
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Here's my baby. 1946 15-91

G-Nut :shades: