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Cannibal
07-07-2007, 00:40
What was supposed to be a 4 night/70 mile hike thru Ocala National Forest turned into a 3 night/40 mile round-trip. I had plenty of equipment failures, but the Warbonnet was not one of them.

This was my first trip with the Warbonnet and outside of a few hours and one overnight in the side yard, it would be her maiden voyage. I was excited to find the pros and cons of this hammock. My only other hanging experience in the outdoors has been in my Hennessey Hammock (Explorer Asym UL) and I was anxious to try-out the new toy. Like anything new, I was a little nervous about how it would perform; I shouldn’t have been. I have no idea how to format a review, so instead you get to deal with me rambling on about stuff; sorry in advance. There are no pictures and I’m not at all happy about that. I have since added two words to my checklist: memory card. Momma always said “Stupid is as stupid does”.

I spent 3 nights in the Warbonnet and Mother Nature wanted to be absolutely sure that the Warbonnet got wet, so she sent thunderstorms all three nights. I used the tarp from my Hennessy for this trip, since I totally screwed my attempt at a BlackCat.

Going into the hike I had these concerns:

Bathtub Effect. The way the foot pocket of the Warbonnet sticks out, I was worried the Hennessy Asym tarp wouldn’t provide enough coverage to prevent this from acting like a water bucket.

Ventilation! This is Florida in July, not for the weak at heart. One side of the Warbonnet near the head is a wall of nylon while the other side is open bug-netting. The concern here is it would restrict airflow.

Durability. The entry slit on the Warbonnet makes me nervous; I can’t help it. It is basically a big mouth. The zipper is sewn into the body of the hammock and the netting is attached directly to the nylon hammock body. All of your weight upon entering or exiting the hammock is put on the corners of the mouth. There is obvious strain on the corners.

Comfort. OK, I wasn’t really concerned about comfort. However, with this being my first trip I paid attention to any discomforts.


Did I mention that it rained? It rained, a lot. Then it rained some more. I will stick to the review and not detail the hike, but it rained.

I set-up the first night with the entry slit facing west (windward) for no reason other than the view in that direction was better. I had perfect weather for the set-up portion, which was nice. I’m using ring-buckles with 1” polyester straps for my suspension and was paranoid about slippage during rain storms (I think I checked my slipknots about a dozen times before retiring for the night). I attached my tarp ridgelines to the trees below my hammock suspension in preparations for the incoming rain. I pulled the backside (side opposite the entry slit) of the tarp down low and tight, but left the front side open for dinner and the view.

First concern; durability: The zipper mouth! I intended to cook my dinner while sitting in the hammock. I was initially going to pull the bottom of the hammock body out (like I do in my HH) from the center and sit that way, but seeing as how I wanted to “test” the durability of the mouth corners I just sat right in the opening like I probably will when I’m tired and don’t care about anything but sleep. I stared at the corners daring them to give me a telltale sign of eminent failure. After feeling that I had just lost a stare-down contest, I proceeded to cook and eat my dinner as dusk came. It was a beautiful night and I was as content as I get. My view was an open field of waist-high scrub plants surrounded by tall pines. I sat there for the better part of an hour before realizing that it had gotten dark and the night-shift critters were starting their warm-ups. I dug my headlamp out of my pack and started examining each stitch of the corners looking for loose of torn threads. There was not a single thing out of place or any signs of wear at all! I had not really looked that hard at the stitching before now and I gotta tip my hat to Brandon, nice work. While I remained skeptical of the corners for the rest of the hike, this inspection served to greatly reduce my anxiety over the mouth corners.

The next item is one of those things you’ll only find out in the field, unfortunately. Before you read this, I understand that I am about to bad-mouth the most talked about feature of the Warbonnet. The built in pocket; I hate it. Sorry. It is just not in a good place for me. It’s great if you’re using it for some lightweight items, like tissue. If on the other hand you’d like to use it for storing other things (LIKE A WATER BOTTLE), forget it. The weight of the item combined with the fact that it is forced to fall against the wall results in the water bottle knocking you in the head as you’re getting situated. I hoped that once I got comfy the bottle thing would go away; it didn’t. I ended up pulling it out of the pocket and just letting it roll around in hammock. I think that this could be easily solved by lowering the point in the hammock wall where the pocket is placed. If it were lower, then it (any heavy item) would hang down as opposed to hanging into the wall. This was a surprise and not a very good one. I adjusted to and dealt with it, but I wasn’t happy about it.

After cursing the pocket for a few minutes I settled in. The view from the Warbonnet is fantastic (from one side). The bug netting on the entry-side comes down several inches lower than my HH and provides a wide open view of the world. I had a difficult time falling asleep only because I was fascinated watching the daytime critters scurrying home to make way for the evening shift. I counted 11 deer, 2 skunks, and an armadillo in about 20 minutes the first night alone. I heard an owl symphony; something I’ve never experienced. I could make out 6 very distinct owls. I never realized they each have their own “voice” and it is pretty easy to distinguish between them. I guess they were talking about the weather because about 10 minutes later the rain started…again.

Second concern; Bathtub Effect: Like I said, the backside of the Warbonnet is the side that the foot pocket protrudes from. I was careful when I set-up the tarp that it was covered, but it was barely covered. I sat there (being lazy) with the tarp in it’s half closed position (front open to the view) wondering if I would be able to get away with the tarp’s current configuration. Wanna guess the answer? After about 5 minutes the warm-up was over and the rain started coming down with some authority. Almost immediately I felt that familiar feeling on my feet of water beginning to pool. Out of the hammock into the rain I went to configure the tarp for stormy weather. A tuck here and a tuck there; a little tightening over here and a yank over there and I’m all set. The rest of the night passed without my supervision as I broke the silence of the forest with my snoring.

Third concern; Comfort: Soooooo, not an issue. The overnight temps never fell below the mid 70s so insulation was not a concern. I slept directly on the nylon with a light top sheet and can’t remember sleeping any better outdoors. I already miss sleeping in it. I intentionally sleep in different positions (back, side, stomach) and was comfortable on my back and side. I’m not a stomach sleeper normally, but I still don’t think this is the right hammock for it if that’s your thing. Otherwise, it was very comfortable. In fact, I caught myself sleeping a little later than I intended only because I was too comfortable to get up and put on hiking boots and my EVIL backpack. Two of three nights I never even adjusted for the stretch, if there was any.

Fourth concern; ventilation: OK, so I caught a huge break with the weather in regard to temperatures. Due to storms, day & night, the temps stayed fairly low (low 90s during the days) and there was a nice breeze to keep the humidity under control. Even so, I expected to be much more uncomfortable at night in the hammock. With the one side blocked by the nylon wall near the head and my tarp pitched low and tight I didn’t expect the Warbonnet to “breath” very well in the Florida heat. I was stupefied, but happy to be wrong. It wasn’t until my last night that I discovered why I was staying cool. I didn’t realize it when I was doing it, but I was setting-up every night with the open side of the hammock facing west (the wind was blowing east). I guess I’m just in the habit of making camp on the right side of the trail; helps me remember which way to walk in the morning. The last evening as I was literally bouncing up and down on the entry slit there was a good stiff breeze blowing. I leaned back to relax and continue to be amazed at the quality of work on this thing. As I sat there, I felt a draft and started paying attention. The nylon wall has a damming effect on the breeze. As long as the open side is facing any breeze, the hammock wall will cause the breeze to hit the vertical wall and vent upwards. This provides a tremendous amount of ventilation. The key will be to remember to reverse the set-up during adverse weather so that no wind-blown rain takes the same route.

One thing I noticed (with the help of the evil pocket) is that I tend to stay put where I get in the hammock. This resulted in my feet being almost to the end of the hammock and my head to be a foot or so short of where it should be. A simple “scoot” fixes the problem. I think it’s just a result of entering to the left of the tie-out and being comfortable right away. I guess you could sleep this way if you wanted to, just beware that whatever you put in that pocket is going to be bonking you in the head all night.

All in all, I had a great time in a fantastic hammock. My concerns about this hammock were put completely to rest and yes, I’m still looking at the stitching on the entry slit. I wish I was still out on the trail, but I had to come back to perform an exorcism on my backpack then light it on fire and offer it to the gods of pain and suffering.

Sorry if this is a poorly written review; it’s my first.:o I’ll be happy to answer any questions that I didn’t answer here, just let me know. Brandon, you make a great hammock, I love it…except that dang pocket.

GrizzlyAdams
07-07-2007, 07:18
great review! That's it, I'm getting a Warbonnet (as if I need another hammock...). I also commiserate on the backpack thing. T'was my own fault, but my last time out I was lugging about 40 lbs (8 days of food!) in a pack that's good for maybe 30. Ouch.

Grizz

p.s. ignore these review bars. I didn't do anything with them, and once posted I can't seem to change them. Great review!

Just Jeff
07-07-2007, 08:09
Well written narrative, Cannibal! I was concerned about that high wall as well, but haven't had a chance to field test it yet. I'll pay attention to the wind as you say and see how it turns out.

I'll see what we can do about those bars on the left, too.

Hooch
07-07-2007, 08:26
Excellent review of the Warbonnet. Although I'm REALLY interested in DIY gear, I've had my eye on those since I saw the first couple pics from TD. I'm sure WarbonnetGuy will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't thin that the pocket was meant to hold heavier objects such as a full water bottle (2.2 lbs, plus the weight of the bottle). From what I can tell, it was more intended to hold smaller, lighter items such as glasses, headlamps and the like. Overall, an EXCELLENT review! Thanks for sharing it.

headchange4u
07-07-2007, 08:46
Great review Cannibal. I have been waiting to hear a more in depth review of the very intriguing hammock, the Warbonnet.

Cannibal
07-07-2007, 12:06
Thanks for all your positive comments. Everybody should have one of these things!

Hooch, NO DOUBT that pocket was made for lightweight items. It worked great for holding house keys and a cell phone while sleeping in the side yard. However, I like to keep a bottle of water and a book with me when sleeping and never tried this in the yard. The pocket is my ONE issue with the Warbonnet and I'm super motivated to find a work around. Such a minor issue should be easy to overcome. Before you guys chime in, no I will not be adding a ridgeline for storage purposes. It may be the most obvious solution, but it would be like putting Coca-Cola in a Pepsi can to me.

JJ, that wall is super neat and unexpected. I choose to believe that it was done intentionally and not an accident. :)

Cannibal
07-07-2007, 12:27
[QUOTE=GrizzlyAdams;21858]I also commiserate on the backpack thing. T'was my own fault, but my last time out I was lugging about 40 lbs (8 days of food!) in a pack that's good for maybe 30. Ouch.
QUOTE]

Oh man do I hear you brother! Cheap pack (just to get out) + an AT weight pack job = Angry Cannibal! When I saw the Blue Blaze that took me back to my truck I actaully said out loud: "Thank you God". I was so miserable I actually had to stop and take a load off when I was within sight (maybe 60 yards) of my truck. Reminds me of an old saying; "If you're gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough".

warbonnetguy
07-08-2007, 02:02
hey cannibal, glad to hear the good comments, as for the pocket, i would feel suspect about instaling it lots lower, might be ok though, just not good for real heavy items though, glad to hear about the ventilation, sorry to dissapoint, but it is just an accident, a result of the netting shape. glad to see a good review, got real nervous when i saw the thread...Brandon

Cannibal
07-08-2007, 02:21
Brandon, I'm surprised that you would be nervous about the review. You have made a great product that I continue to be impressed with. I may not have much time in this hanging thing, but I have tried many and own several; this one is my favorite. I'll reserve judgement until I have a few more trips under my belt, but I suspect I'll be taking the Warbonnet with me on my thru attempt next year. I'll post a pic of me in my Warbonnet with a bottle of Fat Tire (just had a case delivered yesterday!); seems appropriate. :)

I may be at Horseshoe Res. in a few weeks on vacation. I usually go up to Red Feathers, but I'd like to hang in the hammock's hometown.

Wayfarer
08-07-2007, 18:22
Well written and fun to read. Quite an endorsement.

headchange4u
08-07-2007, 20:00
Nice review Cannibal. I still have my eye on a Warbonnet hammock. I hope to see one at the upcoming SEHHA .

As for the pocket, have you thought about sewing a webbing loop on the outside of the pocket, near the bottom? If you did that you could tie a piece of shock cord from the webbing loop to a stake on the ground or to one of your tarp stakes and that would pull the pocket away from the hammock body and keep you from bumping into it's contents.

Brandon,
Any word on when your website will be up.

Cannibal
08-07-2007, 20:08
Yeah, I've kind of settled on doing something like that since I couldn't think of anything else. I just don't like the idea of another something to get tangled, ya know? But, if I figure something else out, that's a pretty easy removal.

I'm trying to make it to the SEHHA; not sure yet. But if I do, I'll have my Warbonnet on.

Rider
09-02-2007, 20:34
I have looked around the forums and I have seen pictures and read about the Warbonnet Hammock, but where do you get one?

angrysparrow
09-02-2007, 20:41
I have looked around the forums and I have seen pictures and read about the Warbonnet Hammock, but where do you get one?

PM warbonnetguy (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/member.php?find=lastposter&f=34)

greggg3
12-06-2007, 09:16
is there a warbonnet hammock web site? I was reading this thread and I'm still not sure what this hammock looks like, what the differences are. Is there another thread about this hammock that I haven't found?

Cannibal
12-06-2007, 09:22
He is fighting some patent issues with the Hennessys right now, so the website is on hold. There are a few pics in my gallery, but if you want I can email you some more pics.

The hammock is an asym with attached netting. The entrance is on the side and the netting is kept off your face due to the way Brandon has cut the shape of it; kind of cool. It is not as 'spacious' as some folks would want, but since I don't really move at night once I'm asleep it is absolutely perfect for me. :)

neo
12-06-2007, 09:43
He is fighting some patent issues with the Hennessys right now, so the website is on hold. There are a few pics in my gallery, but if you want I can email you some more pics.

The hammock is an asym with attached netting. The entrance is on the side and the netting is kept off your face due to the way Brandon has cut the shape of it; kind of cool. It is not as 'spacious' as some folks would want, but since I don't really move at night once I'm asleep it is absolutely perfect for me. :)

i hope he wins his patent issues,tom hennessey cant corner the market on hammocks,i used to like tom years ago,i guess greed got the best of him,i wish the warbonett dude the best:cool: neo

Cannibal
12-06-2007, 10:58
I'll be adding a review on the Warbonnet torso length underquilt soon. I'll be testing it in Colorado at the end of December and Kansas (if I can find two trees!) shortly after that. The Kansas test should be a good test of wind chill effects :eek: . The Warbonnet rules!

neo
12-06-2007, 10:59
I'll be adding a review on the Warbonnet torso length underquilt soon. The Warbonnet rules!

do you have any picture you can post:cool: neo

Cannibal
12-06-2007, 11:05
Only what I have in my gallery:

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/3/5/Hanginloose.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/3/5/Frominside.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/3/5/Fromback.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/3/5/Fromfront.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/3/5/Fromfootend.jpg

I'll dig some more up tonight at home. These pics are fairly old and I've made some changes in the way I set it up and some very slight 'pimping'.

greggg3
12-06-2007, 13:49
thanks cannibal, interesting hammock, its like it has a high and low side. I do move around a bit so I'm not sure if it would be big enough for me, but its cool to see yet another different style. How many hammock should a person have? ( I know thats a different thread altogether!)

Jazilla
12-06-2007, 13:50
What is the weight of the warbonnet

Cannibal
12-06-2007, 14:54
greggg3- I'm a 6', 200+ pounder so some of that space limitation may just be me. I guess I should have said that someone prone to claustrophobia might find this hammock tight. There is plenty of shoulder room and I was able to go fetal one chilly night without problem. It is just a very efficient use of space and material.

Jazilla- If memory serves it came in around 20oz as delivered. I haven't put it on the scale in quite a while. Of course I put webbing and rings on and ditched the huggers, so I'm sure that added a little. I'll try to remember to do that while I'm looking for pics at home tonight.

Cannibal
12-07-2007, 09:18
Didn't have time to look for pics last night; Cannibal actually had a date. I sooo still have it.

I did throw it on the scale this morning on the way out; came in at 30.2 oz for all of the following:

Warbonnet ElDorado
Strapworks 1" webbing (12' on each end)
Rings (also from Strapworks)
Blackbishop Bag

I've got some lighter camo webbing from OWF, but I haven't switched them out yet. Should drop me a little. Then there are the super light ti rings that I heard someone got me for Xmas. :D

Jazilla
12-07-2007, 10:08
Man even with your adds its still lighter than my slightly modified ULBA

Cannibal
12-07-2007, 10:18
When I got the Warbonnet, I held it in one hand and my Exlporer in the other and just smiled :) :) :) .

Cannibal
12-07-2007, 11:30
The Warbonnet torso UQ will add another 16oz. to the set-up and I've got a line on a tarp that will be less than 10oz with plenty of coverage. Sleeping/sit pad will add a couple more ounces and a top quilt somewhere in the mid to high 20oz range. So the way I figure, my whole set-up for winter/early spring will be right around, or a little under, 5lbs. Not too shabby.

Jazilla
12-07-2007, 14:51
a 10oz tarp, your holding out

Cannibal
12-07-2007, 15:06
Just for now, that will be another thread. And I said less than 10oz. ;)

GrizzlyAdams
12-07-2007, 15:17
Just for now, that will be another thread. And I said less than 10oz. ;)

I think Santa is bringing Cannibal a Cuben tarp.
Or maybe one of the new MLD tarps, I see a nice one using spintex .97,
10.7' x 8', 9 oz.

wish I'd been good this year

Grizz

Cannibal
12-07-2007, 15:26
Been sworn to secrecy.

GrizzlyAdams
12-07-2007, 15:58
Been sworn to secrecy.

you sire, are a tease. :)

And I bet you're just busting to brag on this nice new toy and can't. So probably you have it worse than the rest of us waiting to see.

maybe Cannibal wasn't so good this year after all. I'm thinking about Dante's Inferno..

Grizz

Cannibal
12-07-2007, 18:27
You have noooooo idea Grizz. It's killing me, but ya'll will be the first ones to know.

greggg3
12-08-2007, 02:42
Cannibal, how much does this hammock cost (or is it just a prototype)? You're calling it "el dorado", are there other models or different types/sizes?

Cannibal
12-08-2007, 08:13
Shoot warbonnetguy a PM he'll give you the details. Some info on post #29 on this thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1177&page=3&highlight=warbonnet).