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joefbtg28
03-01-2018, 16:05
Hey All!
As I am getting gear ready for backpacking season, I figured I would share my experiences with the sawyer squeeze system and how it has evolved for me over the last several years. IMO, the Sawyer Squeeze is THE BEST filter on the market right now, but it does have some considerations.

Sawyer Squeeze vs mini:
I have used both backpacking. In my experience the full size Squeeze is worth the 1.5oz penalty over the mini. The flow rate is much greater (almost twice as fast) in my experience. I only use the mini for day hikes now, in a small squeeze setup for quick drinks.

Cold weather considerations:
Shake out your filter after the last use of the day. If you have the slightest idea that the weather will dip below freezing overnight, put the filter into your sleeping bag with you. There is no indication that your filter has been compromised if it has ever been frozen. For this reason I replace mine every 3 seasons or so to be on the safe side. I would not recommend this filter for winter camping scenarios, but if you are like me, you will be melting snow in the winter anyways.

Back flush syringe:
You definitely want to back flush your filter after every trip. If you are heading on a trip with any amount of sediment in the water, bring it. In the Rockies, with crystal clear water, I only bring it on trips longer than 4 days or so.

Sawyer Bags:
You can use the included sawyer bags as a clean water bag if you want, but be warned. They do not last long and they can fail in the field. I only use them as a backup/emergency bag in my kit, which can be used for dirty or clean as needed. I generally put a bit of gorilla tape around the top of the bag, for extra security. They will fail where the bag meets the spout.

Dirty Bags:
I have tried many different dirty bags. From MSR Dromedary, Platypus Hoser, to my current Nalgene Wide mouth Cantene. My friend uses a Platypus Big Zip Reservoir. Try to find a reservoir with the spout in the middle of the bottom of the bag, as this is best for flow. If the spout is on the corner or front of the reservoir, this will impede the flow rate, and water pressure on the filter. Do not use a reservoir with one small opening. It takes far too long to fill, especially with your hand in a freezing river. This means you have two options; something with a wide mouth like the Nalgene Cantene, or something with a zip top like the Platypus Big zip. Keep in mind that if you use the Nalgene Cantene, you will need an adapter and gasket to fit it to the filter. The 63mm nalgene adapter can be purchased from jetflow here: https://jetflow.com/new-page-1/

Filter Positioning:
The first thing to keep in mind is where to position the filter in the system. In my experience putting a length of hydration tubing [about 4 feet] in between the dirty bag and the filter greatly improves the flow rate of the system. I am guessing this allows for more water pressure to be put on the filter itself. In order to put the hydration hose into the dirty side of the filter, you will need the grey adapter from this kit, "Sawyer Products SP110 Inline Hydration Pack Adapters."

[Easy, but not closed] Backpacking Gravity Setup:
In my opinion, buying the full size squeeze with one bag, and creating your own system is the way to go. In this setup your dirty bag will be a Platypus Big zip. Keep as much of the hydration hose attached as you would like. I would keep it 3ft or longer for best flow. Remove the mouth piece, and attache the grey adapter from this kit, "Sawyer Products SP110 Inline Hydration Pack Adapters," and attach to the dirty end of the filter. On the clean side of the filter, simply attach the push top included with the filter. Hang the Big zip from a tree or the top of your pack, with the pre-attached cord. Position the filter over your water bottle of choice and open the push top to start filtering. Since this is an open system, take care that there are no leaks in the dirty water section that could drip into your clean bottle. This system has the best flow due to the open nature of the clean end and therefore is my current recommendation.

Adjusting the above system for use with hydration bladders:
If you like to use a hydration bladder in your pack, you can make the system closed. For use with a hydration bladder, do all of the steps in the above open setup. Instead of using the push top, connect the clean end to "Sawyer Products Fast Fill Adapters for Hydration Packs," and the other end to your hydration packs hose wherever convenient. You want to make sure there is not a lot of air in your clean bladder when filling. This will help the flow. If you do not want to carry two lengths of hydration hose, you can find a dirty bag that connects directly to the filter. Like the Nalgene Cantene with jetflow adapter. Just keep in mind that having the hydration tubing after the filter is not equivalent to having it before the filter, in terms of flow rate.

Adjusting the above system for use with Smart water bottles:
As we know, smart water bottles are great. They are light and cheap. Don't forget to add your 2oz marks on the bottle before your trip! For use with a smart water bottles, do all of the steps in the above open setup. Instead of using the push top, connect the clean end to a tornado tube: https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Bottle-Connector-Tornado-Colors/dp/B0090LYSLC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1519936893&sr=8-6&keywords=tornado+tube. Then attach the smart water bottle to the other end of this. It is important to not have the smart water bottle fully tightened to the tornado tube, as some airflow out of the clean bottle is needed as the air is replaced with water. Also, squeeze the smart water bottle once attached to remove some air. This will improve flow.

Hope these tips help!

jdy98p
03-01-2018, 16:42
I saw an early review on the CNOC Vecto and was impressed.

Link: https://cnocoutdoors.com/products/vecto-water-container

Reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXwh9cZwC4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KxSKH6jnwM

johnspenn
03-01-2018, 16:46
Great article, very comprehensive.

I have a Squeeze and like it better than the Mini, but my last few trips I've been using the Katadyne BeFree and it blows them both away as far as flow rate and ease of use. Have you tried one, and if so what are your thoughts?

There's a continuing discussion in the water treatment area of our Donating Members' section, and mostly the jury seems to be out. Like I said mine has only seen a few trips so far, but so far it's my favorite by far.

OneClick
03-01-2018, 16:53
There's a continuing discussion in the water treatment area of our Donating Members' section

Careful, esmith may a have a problem with you referencing existing threads! :rolleyes:

johnspenn
03-01-2018, 16:55
Careful, esmith may a have a problem with you referencing existing threads! :rolleyes:

Should I reference non-existing ones? Who's esmith? Afraid I'm out of the loop lol.

OneClick
03-01-2018, 16:59
Should I reference non-existing ones? Who's esmith? Afraid I'm out of the loop lol.

That's a good thing...you want to stay out!

I agree with using the standard vs the mini. Some of the mini knockoffs are rated at 600mL/minute, so that is about half the rate like you said.

robertjackson
03-01-2018, 17:39
Thank You
The Sawyer is a new add on for this season, and your info really helps.

oldpappy
03-01-2018, 18:12
Timely info for me too, thank you.

LuvmyBonnet
03-01-2018, 18:48
Nice write up Joe. I enjoyed reading it. I'm a fan of Sawyer filters. I have the mini, 2l gravity and just won a Sawyer Select S2 filter at HangCon. I believe it is just a squeeze with a special .1 micron membrane in the bottle. I haven't had a chance to use it yet. Hopefully up in Algonquin when the ice melts.

Carrico
03-01-2018, 19:36
Love my Sawyer,never had a problem with slow rates or anything like that. They make it easy and very cost-effective to put together a dyi gravity water system.161407

Gravitythief76
03-02-2018, 07:00
I have a very similar set up with a modified sawyer bag for my dirty resovoir and a sawyer 1 gallon dirty bag for family trips. Sawyer also makes a clean coupler that can be purchased on amazon and it can be used to replace the tornado tube.

joefbtg28
03-02-2018, 16:51
I saw an early review on the CNOC Vecto and was impressed.

Link: https://cnocoutdoors.com/products/vecto-water-container

Reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXwh9cZwC4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KxSKH6jnwM

This looks really good! Could use with adapter and hydration tubing, or straight on the filter. Would connect to a tornado tube on dirty side too if needed. I like items I can move around if something happens. Thanks.

joefbtg28
03-02-2018, 16:52
Great article, very comprehensive.

I have a Squeeze and like it better than the Mini, but my last few trips I've been using the Katadyne BeFree and it blows them both away as far as flow rate and ease of use. Have you tried one, and if so what are your thoughts?

There's a continuing discussion in the water treatment area of our Donating Members' section, and mostly the jury seems to be out. Like I said mine has only seen a few trips so far, but so far it's my favorite by far.

Has anyone rigged this in a gravity setup? Looks like a good day hiking filter in the bottle setup.

joefbtg28
03-02-2018, 16:55
Nice write up Joe. I enjoyed reading it. I'm a fan of Sawyer filters. I have the mini, 2l gravity and just won a Sawyer Select S2 filter at HangCon. I believe it is just a squeeze with a special .1 micron membrane in the bottle. I haven't had a chance to use it yet. Hopefully up in Algonquin when the ice melts.

Thanks! Man I miss canoe camping! Thankfully Colorado has its upsides too though. Going fishing tomorrow due to the great CO tailwaters we have. Gotta love that warm dam release.

joefbtg28
03-02-2018, 16:56
Love my Sawyer,never had a problem with slow rates or anything like that. They make it easy and very cost-effective to put together a dyi gravity water system.161407

Your system looks nice and light!

Brewmaker
03-02-2018, 17:09
Thanks for the review. The tornado thing is interesting, havent ever heard of that before

Carrico
03-02-2018, 18:55
Your system looks nice and light!

Is weights in at 214 grams with the bottle and zip lock. 161460

gbolt
03-02-2018, 23:07
I saw an early review on the CNOC Vecto and was impressed.

Link: https://cnocoutdoors.com/products/vecto-water-container

Reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXwh9cZwC4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KxSKH6jnwM

I am ready to hit the AT in Twelve Days. I have previously used the Sawyer, Tornado Tube, Evernew Bladder to Smart Water Bottle Filtration System. I also carry a foot of Dutch Tubing to make it a Gravity System if I choose too. However, as one of my last gear updates, I switched the Evernew to a Vecto CNOC Container. Here is the Box Opening video for those that are interested: https://youtu.be/KY_tJyxvRkk

Flatliner
03-02-2018, 23:17
We have been using them in the BWCA as a low budget gravity system for several years. They work wonderful.

sidneyhornblower
03-03-2018, 05:08
Hope these tips help!

They do indeed. Nice complete and concise writeup.
Cheers.

kitsapcowboy
03-03-2018, 07:43
Thanks for your thoroughly detailed and annotated information, clearly presented.

johnspenn
03-03-2018, 08:17
Has anyone rigged this in a gravity setup? Looks like a good day hiking filter in the bottle setup.

I haven't personally tried the BeFree in a gravity system yet, but I don't see why it couldn't be done fairly easily. A YT search might yield some results.

OneClick
03-12-2018, 13:51
The 3L bag has a handle on the opposite side, so it's basically a gravity filter when hung. It works great. If you add some hose it may speed up even more, but it's not necessary.

huntaholic123
04-09-2018, 09:12
For a cheap alternative I purchased a diesel fuel sock off amazon. Lay it over the top of my nalgene to remove all particles and then just run the Steripen. Have drank some pretty rough water and this system has yet to fail me. I know some don't like the Steripen because they don't understand it but it has worked as advertised the past four years I have had one.

OneClick
04-09-2018, 09:15
For a cheap alternative I purchased a diesel fuel sock off amazon. Lay it over the top of my nalgene to remove all particles and then just run the Steripen. Have drank some pretty rough water and this system has yet to fail me. I know some don't like the Steripen because they don't understand it but it has worked as advertised the past four years I have had one.

I bought the 1 micron and it's THICK! I probably should have went with 10 micro as a prefilter, since this thing weighs more than a Sawyer damp! I cut it down to a small funnel shape instead.