SPE and the Clark NA, insulation newbie

[Skittles]

Looking for some thoughts and feedback.

I'm trying to get my insulation set up just right. Warmest and Lightest possible.

I have a regular Clark NA. I'm an extremely cold sleeper. I do not sweat at night, well that I have ever noticed. I would like to set my gear for down to 20 degrees at night. Here's my thoughts:

*I have a Te-Wa winter UQ

*Just bought a SPE with 4 slots on each side. (I'm a bigger girl, wanted the coverage), along with 4 CC pads for slots (not sure how that will all fit, might only be able to use the slots closer to the center due to the clark zipper)

*either a neo air regular 14oz or my big agnes 3/4 insulated inflatable pad 19oz

* 1/4" GG x 40" wide pad (to be cut when I decide what to do)

*My bag is a montbell Super stretch #2 (awesome)

All together = warmth and WEIGHT! argghgh

I also have a down jacket, REI hiking shirt, hiking pants, mid weight base layers, awesome 3oz down booties!

Does this seem too much? I also will have my custom winterdream tarp.

I'm such a chicken when it comes to cold. My hubby and I are still fiddling with the UQ to fit around the pockets and such, and I'm open to tweeking my set up.

p.s. Yes I have switched out my tie outs to whoopie slings (thanks to a Stormcrow purchase) and I do have a WBBB double layer to use, but I thought my weather shield would benefit me down to these temps. But I will have the tarp...I don't know. grrrrr. Decisions are so frustrating when you are a newbie. Shoe shopping is easier. lol HELP please. Trying to keep my pack under 35lbs and I would like t use my Clark on this weekend Sycamore canyon trip.

*Pic only reflects practice hang. Now using WB tree straps on both ends to the whoopie slings, and UQ not set completely

[TinaLouise]

What I've found that helps me the most is simply to Practice, practice, practice!! Meaning, try out all your gear, in different combinations and at the lowest temps that you can. And do this before your trip. Unfortunately, your trip is this weekend. So, take as much of your gear as you can carry. If you have to make a decision between things, try to bring more for your bottom insulation than your top. Your sleeping bag will not give you much insulation value for the part that's under you, so don't count that as part of your "under" insulation, only as top and side insulation. You've got that TeWa winter under quilt, make sure you have it up snug to the bottom of your hammock. I've found that if I've got any gaps with my under quilt and my hammock, that I end up with cool to down right cold spots. Check the fit after you get inside your hammock by sticking your hand out and under you, between the layers. If you think the UQ is gaping to far away from your hammock, with you in it, then you need to adjust it. If you have someone there that you're comfortable with them checking out this for you......
I've been on trips with the same clothes and same under & top quilts and if I tied my under quilt to loose, I slept cold. Even on other trips when the temps were MUCH lower, still using the same quilts, If I tied the quilts on right, I then slept warm & toasty.
One more thought... just to be on the safe side... pack some of those instant heat packs to throw down inside your sleeping bag.
Post back after your trip.

TinaLouise

[Miguel]

I recently bought a Clark NX 250 and did have done some winter camping in two different hammocks. One night was 11 another night 20. I slept quite warm with the following system. I had a full length homemade synthetic UQ, A 25" wide Thermarest air mattress only slightly filled with air, and sort piece of Wally World 1/2" foam that ran under the air mattress and out to the sides (creating wings) just in the shoulder area. I slept in a Mountain Hardwear zero degree bag. On the eleven degree night I was in a Claytor Jungle Hammock and the twenty degree night I was in the Clark. The Clark of course has a weather shield and the Claytor does not. I stayed warm both nigts but must say the weather shield really makes a difference...especially keeping out wind. When I slept in the Clark it also snowed most of the night. With the shield I was toatally protected from blowing snow and wind. I think you'll be plenty warm with what you have.

Miguel

PS I also sleep cold. I also wore down booties. (highly recommended)

[Skittles]

Thank you both for the great feedback. Definitely going to bring those hand warmers. We just bought the eno ember for one of my husbands set up, so between what he carries and myself, I think we can swap around until we find our needs met.

I am going out tomorrow to set up again and get that UQ brought up real close. I will advise my findings. :) and of course how the weekend went.

Thank you again for your help.

[lonetracker]

i also have the clark na.do not forget about your pockets.any thing you are not wearing can go in those pockets for more warmth(assumeing they do not interfere with your uq)gloves,mittens spare long johns,tp,extra rope,shirts anything that could be insulation.i just got back from a three night in the woods trip.all i used under me was the pockets filled with cloths,ect.wrapped my coat around the foot end.had a 30 degf bag.wore light long unders,light wool sweater and hat.no socks.two 30 deg nights.3rd night was 16degf,i added a wool blankit.warm every night.also eat lots of carbs before bed.have some snacks in hammock with you if you wake up cold,eat,your body needs fuel to stay warm.very important!
warm hangin
bill

[TinaLouise]

also eat lots of carbs before bed.have some snacks in hammock with you if you wake up cold,eat,your body needs fuel to stay warm.very important!
warm hangin
bill

eatting at night is a great idea. I've found that if I don't eat enough towards the end of the day, that I do tend to sleep cooler and need more insulation around me to stay warm.

The only thing I would disagree with though is the having of snacks in the hammock with you, part. I tend to think that could lead to "you" becoming the "snack" for a roaming bear:scared:

I will always hang all my food and smellies away from my hammock. If I wake up hungry, I'll either tough it out till morning or get up and start breakfast. I'm just far to paranoid of bears to have any kind of food in the hammock with me.

TinaLouise

[lonetracker]

eatting at night is a great idea. I've found that if I don't eat enough towards the end of the day, that I do tend to sleep cooler and need more insulation around me to stay warm.

The only thing I would disagree with though is the having of snacks in the hammock with you, part. I tend to think that could lead to "you" becoming the "snack" for a roaming bear:scared:

I will always hang all my food and smellies away from my hammock. If I wake up hungry, I'll either tough it out till morning or get up and start breakfast. I'm just far to paranoid of bears to have any kind of food in the hammock with me.

TinaLouise

you are right of course.i am willing to risk it when i think they are hibernating.winter is coming to an end.in some places they may be awakening,no longer worth the risk.thank you TL for straightening out my erroneous advice.
hangin hungry
bill

[gargoyle]

And don't forget to throw in a waterbottle full of hot water!

[Skittles]

All of this is great information. Looks like I might face an incoming storm, so I will really be able to test most of my gear, winter tarp, dry ducks, etc. I will post upon my return and let you know how it went. The hot water bottle idea, I forgot about...thanks for reminding me! :laugh:

[hangnout]

I would suggest running your suspension cords up to where stretch cords going to tarp connect to hammock. This will pull the quilt up and around your shoulders to ensure you get full coverage. You can just put it in the clip that attachs to the D-ring for a quick connect. This also helps to seal ends against the Clark without having to over adjust the UQ ends.

Another trick to take advantage of the pockets is lay opposite of normal (head in foot end). This would allow you to stuff the last pocket with any extra clothing and help keep feet warm in addition to a small pad. I would not suggest using anything in pockets in the UQ area. The zippers will not be as convenient but insulation will be better.

The Te-Wa winter quilt looks like a great quilt with lots of loft that will probably be all you need under your torso area. It is probably about 4'long so a 6' person would only need to insulate under head and feet. Most people use something as a pillow that will be enough insulation so that only leaves a little bit at the foot end. I normally carry a 20"x48" pad in the 20's. If it gets really cold I double it up under the feet. I do not think you will need the inflatable pad in the 20's. Take your SPE with pads for insurance the first couple trips and then decide how much pad to bring. Nice thing about a Clark I think it is real easy to get the UQ to work and seal to hammock.

Just my opinion, wife says its not worth anything:)

[Skittles]

Ok here's the "what happened" info

I did a test set up for a couple hours in a nearby park friday night. Temps in the low 40s. I noticed immediate heat once on SPE with the GG 1/4 pad and the neo air regular was used. I'm mean immediate, without my sleeping bag. Then my husband scott got the UQ attached. We struggled with it to get it up close to the bottom of the hammock. There seems to be a big gap along the length. Scott tighten it up alot, but still gap. What fixed it temporarily, was when he pulled the shock cord of the UQ and wrapped it over the edge of my neo air (over the outside of the hammock). hmmmm So we decided we will have to rig up something to lift the shock cord on each side, on each end, up to my tarp ridgeline. I run a full length ridgeline under my winter tarp. Anyways, that would solve it. That set up for sure will get me into the high 20s to low 30s.

For the sat. trip, we made it 1.5 miles in to the first creek crossing which was smaller last year, and is now a 60 foot waist deep fast river. sheesh! we had to be in minimum 4 miles to be able to camp over night. So we goof around with our set ups and took a nap. Then hiked out. That evening the storm we expected was crazy, blowing snow and hail, then rain at an angle. I'm kind of glad we were not out in it.

Scott was playing with his Eno and his new Ember. We notice on the Ember that there are huge pockets/gaps of air on the ends. Scott used an emergency blanket in between the Ember and the Hammock and was extremely warm. We then realized that we could use that area of space for his extra down clothing, and that would add even more insulation. We also discussed using this set up on the Clark, since it is also a banana hang, gathered end. I'm not excited about the weight of the Ember, but if that is all I'm using for bottom insulation, it may work. Still scheduling weekend trips, so we will get this all figured out.

Thank you again for all your feedback. It was very helpful and encouraging.

[lonetracker]

thanks for the after report,redmarble.to bad you missed out on being in that storm:rolleyes: