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soul embrace
11-21-2019, 13:21
I'm wanting to order a 40 degree ghost pepper topquilt and I want it to be as lite as possible and have a few questions

1.) I'm 5' 2" and I want the quilt to go to my neck I'm thinking of going with a 65in one instead of the 70" one like my hammock gear topquilts, would this be too short for me?

2.) is the a reason to go with the argon 90 over the argon 67 for the outer shell?

3.) not sure what the taper is on the hammock gear burrow is (just says full taper) but the taper is fine on the burrow....should I go with the 10in or 5in taper?

thanks

georgecarr
11-21-2019, 22:25
I'm wanting to order a 40 degree ghost pepper topquilt and I want it to be as lite as possible and have a few questions

1.) I'm 5' 2" and I want the quilt to go to my neck I'm thinking of going with a 65in one instead of the 70" one like my hammock gear topquilts, would this be too short for me?

2.) is the a reason to go with the argon 90 over the argon 67 for the outer shell?

3.) not sure what the taper is on the hammock gear burrow is (just says full taper) but the taper is fine on the burrow....should I go with the 10in or 5in taper?

thanks

If you already have 70" quilts then you just have to decide if you can do without the 5".

Argon 90 on the outside will retain a little more heat and be slightly more durable.

I believe the HG quilts are a 10" taper, but someone else might be able to shed better light on that. I used to make my personal quilts with a 10" taper, but over the past few years I've decided I like the extra kick room of a 5" taper. YMMV.

Smilin
11-21-2019, 23:36
I am 5'3" and have a ghost pepper that is 65" long with 90 argon outer and 67 inner. the taper is 10" which is equivalent to a standard mummy bag. I think the dimensions are perfect for people our size. I also used 900fp, it is so light and so warm!
Goosefeet gear also makes a down hood that works perfect with the ghost pepper.

soul embrace
11-22-2019, 07:31
I am 5'3" and have a ghost pepper that is 65" long with 90 argon outer and 67 inner. the taper is 10" which is equivalent to a standard mummy bag. I think the dimensions are perfect for people our size. I also used 900fp, it is so light and so warm!
Goosefeet gear also makes a down hood that works perfect with the ghost pepper.

what does yours weigh? I have a black rock beanie that I wear in the cold but for the temps I would be using this in doesn't usually require much on my head. I'm goin to set up my hammock up tonight and sleep in it and tie the end of my HG burrow at 65in and see how it is.

thanks George and Smilin for the replies

soul embrace
11-25-2019, 12:40
ordered my ghost pepper this morning.

here are the specs:

Temperature: 40
Length: 65in
Width: 50in
Fill: 900
Outside color: Moroccan Blue
Outside Stitching: Gray
Inside Color: Charcoal Gray
Inside Stitching: Blue
Inside and outside material is Aragon 67
Taper: 10in full taper
Footbox: Snap/Drawstring.

now comes the wait and I can't wait to get it and use it

soul embrace
01-14-2020, 07:01
my ghost pepper has shipped....

MikekiM
01-15-2020, 07:25
Looking forward to your comments.. Glad you had ordered the Argon67. The fabric used in quilts has a huge impact on weight. Would have been a shame to go shorter, with 900fp and then use the heavier Argon90 fabric.

What were your thoughts about the Operator and Recon series.. both light and short.

cmoulder
01-15-2020, 07:39
Looking forward to your comments.. Glad you had ordered the Argon67. The fabric used in quilts has a huge impact on weight. Would have been a shame to go shorter, with 900fp and then use the heavier Argon90 fabric.

What were your thoughts about the Operator and Recon series.. both light and short.

I agree with MikekiM!

I had not seen this thread earlier, but I think you did totally the right thing going with Argon67 inside and out. With reasonable care and handling it will work fine for a long, long time.

I'm guessing that quilt is going to weigh 10oz or so and squish down very small... maybe 2L. :laugh:

soul embrace
01-15-2020, 08:02
Looking forward to your comments.. Glad you had ordered the Argon67. The fabric used in quilts has a huge impact on weight. Would have been a shame to go shorter, with 900fp and then use the heavier Argon90 fabric.

the quilt is scheduled for delivery this Friday and may set up my tensa4 stand in the house to try it out. I was really trying to make the lightest topquilt possible so going with argon90 just didn't seem like the right choice and I notice that HG does argon67 for both sides of their premium quilts so that's another reason I went with argon67. i'm 5'-5'2" and all my years I've never pulled or had the need to pull the topquilt over my face so the extra 5" wasn't needed. if he offered it I would have went with 950 fill


What were your thoughts about the Operator and Recon series.. both light and short.

I looked at both operator and recon series but wanted 40 so that knocked both of them out. don't really need 60 because here in Alabama in the summer sometimes the lows are in the 80s at night. the first time I ever slept in a hammock was during the summer and I had no topquilt or underquilt and slept with shorts on and no shirt and never got cold. in the spring and fall the lows are in the 50s so 40 was fine and didn't want to chance it with a 50 underquilt.



I agree with MikekiM!

I had not seen this thread earlier, but I think you did totally the right thing going with Argon67 inside and out. With reasonable care and handling it will work fine for a long, long time.

I'm guessing that quilt is going to weigh 10oz or so and squish down very small... maybe 2L. :laugh:

I take extremely good care of my quilts so I didn't feel the need to go with a heavier material. I will post the weight and a picture of it squished down

MikekiM
01-15-2020, 15:54
Reminds of one of the few regrets I have since starting to hammock years ago.

A custom set of summer quilts were offered for sale a few months ago. Both quilts were in 7D. with 900 or 950 fp. I knew the seller personally.. hiked and camped with him a few times and knew how he cared for his gear. Weights were ridiculously low. Price was great and I loved the color. But summer had just ended and I figured I had my quilts well enough sorted. I ended up replacing all of my economy quilts this year.. and in retrospect, I wish I bought those UL quilts.

Happy you got what you were looking for. Friday will be here soon enough

cmc4free
01-15-2020, 16:22
Reminds of one of the few regrets I have since starting to hammock years ago.

A custom set of summer quilts were offered for sale a few months ago. Both quilts were in 7D. with 900 or 950 fp. I knew the seller personally.. hiked and camped with him a few times and knew how he cared for his gear. Weights were ridiculously low. Price was great and I loved the color. But summer had just ended and I figured I had my quilts well enough sorted. I ended up replacing all of my economy quilts this year.. and in retrospect, I wish I bought those UL quilts.

Happy you got what you were looking for. Friday will be here soon enough

I have a 50 Operator Ghost Pepper in 7D/900FP that I'm always waffling on whether I want to keep. Not because I don't like it or there's anything wrong with it, but because I also have a 40 E.E. Enigma in 7D/950FP that I think I like a little more. If I ever do decide to let go of the Ghost Pepper, I'll give you a heads up before putting it in the FS forum. I know you did a quilt overhaul not long ago, but you never know...

Specs on the Operator Ghost Pepper:
Length 75"
Width 50"
Outer Shell: Black Membrane 7
Inner Shell: Black Membrane 7
Black stitching
900FP Downtek: 5.5oz
With the 7D fabric, I believe total weight is right around 10oz, IIRC.

Here's the whole 50 Operator TQ/UQ set in one stuff sack (together they probably take up ~2L of space):
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/7/8/1/0/1/img_20191028_183423-1632x1224.jpg

The Operator set is the middle sack in this image (left sack is 40 Enigma & 40 Premium Phoenix):
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/7/8/1/0/1/img_20191028_183322-1632x1224.jpg

MikekiM
01-16-2020, 06:38
I have a 50 Operator Ghost Pepper in 7D/900FP that I'm always waffling on whether I want to keep. Not because I don't like it or there's anything wrong with it, but because I also have a 40 E.E. Enigma in 7D/950FP that I think I like a little more. If I ever do decide to let go of the Ghost Pepper, I'll give you a heads up before putting it in the FS forum. I know you did a quilt overhaul not long ago, but you never know...

Specs on the Operator Ghost Pepper:
Length 75"
Width 50"
Outer Shell: Black Membrane 7
Inner Shell: Black Membrane 7
Black stitching
900FP Downtek: 5.5oz
With the 7D fabric, I believe total weight is right around 10oz, IIRC.

Here's the whole 50 Operator TQ/UQ set in one stuff sack (together they probably take up ~2L of space):
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/7/8/1/0/1/img_20191028_183423-1632x1224.jpg

The Operator set is the middle sack in this image (left sack is 40 Enigma & 40 Premium Phoenix):
https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/7/8/1/0/1/img_20191028_183322-1632x1224.jpg
For sure.. please let me know.
Yes, I replaced everything.. 0F, 20's and 40's and have a Junebug Dawn Synthetic TQ that has a limit of about 55F.. I was cold at 53F. I would at that 50F LLG TQ...
I have all the material to make a matching synthetic UQ, but the weight and volume look to be more than I expected.. at least in their raw form.

In your description you noted it is 7D/950fp, but in the specs it says 900fp. Is that a typo or did you do a custom 950fp? Which is it? I've seen this done often and it's usually a typo..

cmc4free
01-16-2020, 09:15
For sure.. please let me know.
Yes, I replaced everything.. 0F, 20's and 40's and have a Junebug Dawn Synthetic TQ that has a limit of about 55F.. I was cold at 53F. I would at that 50F LLG TQ...
I have all the material to make a matching synthetic UQ, but the weight and volume look to be more than I expected.. at least in their raw form.

In your description you noted it is 7D/950fp, but in the specs it says 900fp. Is that a typo or did you do a custom 950fp? Which is it? I've seen this done often and it's usually a typo..

I don't think I made a typo, but I might have confused the situation by talking about 2 different TQ's in the same post. The LLG 50 is 900FP. The E.E. Enigma 40 is 950FP.

cmoulder
01-16-2020, 09:38
And then there are those who would argue that anything above 900, except for Eider, is a mythical number. Montbell claims to use 1000fp for the plasma parka, and I'd like to have one of those puppies.

But it's funny that the absolute finest down comes from a duck!

ObdewlaX
01-16-2020, 11:31
Montbell claims to use 1000fp for the plasma parka, and I'd like to have one of those puppies.

+1!

soul embrace
01-16-2020, 12:37
Friday will be here soon enough


well Friday came a early, it is out for delivery now. will post pictures and weights later today when I get home from work

MikekiM
01-16-2020, 13:49
And then there are those who would argue that anything above 900, except for Eider, is a mythical number. Montbell claims to use 1000fp for the plasma parka, and I'd like to have one of those puppies.

But it's funny that the absolute finest down comes from a duck!

You want one of those puppies or a duck?

cmoulder
01-16-2020, 17:17
lol right now I can't justify any more puppies or ducks or geese!! :laugh:

I've got enough gear to outfit 4 people... well, for 3-season and mild winter. :scared:

soul embrace
01-16-2020, 18:39
I got it and weighed it and took pictures of it compressed down in the smallest stuff sack I had.

total weight is 11.11oz

here is a few pictures of it compressed

here it is in a gallon tea pitcher I can press it down about have way do from the top:

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here it is in a stuff sack next to a 23.7 oz (700ml) smart water bottle (not sure why it turn sideways when I uploaded it, it's not that way ion my computer)

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I really like the material. it's just barely long enough and if I had to do it again or if I ever ordered one for cold weather I would order the 70in one but this will be fine for what I'm gonna use it for

MikekiM
01-17-2020, 06:22
Warm enough by you to give it a go this weekend??

I have a new 0F I've been wanting to try but it's been too warm, and new 40's I can't use because it's too cold!!

The new 20's are getting a lot of use though. Hard to have them and not use them....

cmoulder
01-17-2020, 06:47
lol you know me... always up for a walk. :laugh:

Had been thinking Sun-Mon (holiday!) but might be able to swing Sat-Sun or Sat-Mon. I haven't hiked during a snow event in quite some time.

MikekiM
01-17-2020, 06:51
lol you know me... always up for a walk. :laugh:

Had been thinking Sun-Mon (holiday!) but might be able to swing Sat-Sun or Sat-Mon. I haven't hiked during a snow event in quite some time.

I'm out for Saturday night.. I have a 60th BDay party..

And the following weekend I am skunked as well.. another social event carried over from Christmas.

I can squeeze in a day trip.. but that's it. Pissed....

cmoulder
01-17-2020, 07:13
I got it and weighed it and took pictures of it compressed down in the smallest stuff sack I had.

total weight is 11.11oz

here is a few pictures of it compressed

here it is in a gallon tea pitcher I can press it down about have way do from the top:

179199

here it is in a stuff sack next to a 23.7 oz (700ml) smart water bottle (not sure why it turn sideways when I uploaded it, it's not that way ion my computer)

179198

I really like the material. it's just barely long enough and if I had to do it again or if I ever ordered one for cold weather I would order the 70in one but this will be fine for what I'm gonna use it for

That is really schweeeeet! My EE 50-deg is 11oz, so 11oz for a 40deg is great... and LL doesn't skimp on down!

You're going to get many years of excellent service from that piece of kit. :laugh:

soul embrace
01-17-2020, 07:20
That is really schweeeeet! My EE 50-deg is 11oz, so 11oz for a 40deg is great... and LL doesn't skimp on down!

You're going to get many years of excellent service from that piece of kit. :laugh:


the 11.11 is without a stuff sack, can't wait to try it out outside but that may be a little while. I have a 35L curve backpack coming from LiteAF that will be here Tuesday so have a lot of new gear (DH Darien, HG Phoenix, this quilt and the backpack) to test out

ObdewlaX
01-17-2020, 07:31
the 11.11 is without a stuff sack, can't wait to try it out outside but that may be a little while. I have a 35L curve backpack coming from LiteAF that will be here Tuesday so have a lot of new gear (DH Darien, HG Phoenix, this quilt and the backpack) to test outDang! That's like having Christmas all over again!!

soul embrace
01-17-2020, 07:38
Dang! That's like having Christmas all over again!!


they were all Christmas presents to myself :D