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El Gordo
12-08-2019, 12:17
OK, I know that's not cold for Shug, but it's the coldest I've done, and I have my new, beautiful Habanero 0 degree under-quilt to thank for it. I asked for an extra ounce of down, and I swear George gave me two! And, look at the loft on that draft collar. Thanks very much, George, for such a great quilt.

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Medicpathetic
12-08-2019, 12:19
That looks like some quality work there. I can't wait to get mine!

Nameth
12-08-2019, 12:45
Very nice, planning to order my own 10 Habanero in the very near future! Did you get the head end draft collar? And is that the Moss Green? If so, is that pic an accurate depiction of the true color? Thanks, and congrats on the new UQ!

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TrailSlug
12-08-2019, 12:48
I've yet to experience a single cool night let alone cold night in my LocoLibre quilts. George simply does good work. The wait hurts but order in the off season and the wait isn't nearly as painful :)

georgecarr
12-08-2019, 16:59
OK, I know that's not cold for Shug, but it's the coldest I've done, and I have my new, beautiful Habanero 0 degree under-quilt to thank for it. I asked for an extra ounce of down, and I swear George gave me two! And, look at the loft on that draft collar. Thanks very much, George, for such a great quilt.

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My pleasure EG! We don't do wimpy draft collars:lol:

ObdewlaX
12-08-2019, 17:51
Nice looking quilt... love the color combo.

I've got LL quilts & they all perform great!

SilvrSurfr
12-08-2019, 17:52
Where did you find 8 degrees?

El Gordo
12-08-2019, 21:47
Stokes Forest Saturday night.

El Gordo
12-08-2019, 21:58
[QUOTE=Nameth;1999843]Very nice, planning to order my own 10 Habanero in the very near future! Did you get the head end draft collar? And is that the Moss Green? If so, is that pic an accurate depiction of the true color? Thanks, and congrats on the new UQ!

The outer is lime green; the inner is burnt orange. There are draft collars at both ends. As to color, it looks accurate to me.

Thanks!

Dvankirk
12-09-2019, 08:37
Had my 30 degree Carolina Reaper and 20 degree Dragon's Breath out Saturday night at 28 degrees and a slight breeze and was as comfy as could be. I had fleece pants and jacket on standby, but didn't need anything other than my capilene baselayer. Woke up once with my nose cold, though. George makes good stuff.

MikekiM
12-09-2019, 22:00
Stokes Forest Saturday night.

You had single digits in Stokes? That's awesome! Nice looking quilt. I'll have a Loco Libre one day...

OneClick
12-10-2019, 16:18
Good job! IMO single digits is where it starts getting "cold" and need to start focusing on getting things right.

cmoulder
12-11-2019, 07:57
Stokes Forest Saturday night.

lol I wondered where you guys went. My plans were evolving right up until the last minute but I thought I might drop by and say howdy at Bald Rocks. Some scouts showed up and used the shelter... 3 adults and 5 young fellows. BTW the trails were in superb condition, packed down perfectly and absolutely sublime with microspikes.

That LL quilt is a beaut! Looks as warm as it performs.

El Gordo
12-11-2019, 19:30
That LL quilt is a beaut! Looks as warm as it performs.

Thanks!

I checked with my buddy with the thermometer, and it was 8.6 degrees, which rounds to 9. Call me a liar for one degree! :lol:

Are you related to Bob Moulder?

cmoulder
12-11-2019, 19:36
lol at those temps I'll cut ya some slack! :laugh:

Single digits are when the snow is squeaky when you walk on it. The best.

I are he! I'm registered with the group and have done a few walks. However, I generally like to put in a few more miles of hiking and then meet up.

y not
12-11-2019, 22:28
I've yet to experience a single cool night let alone cold night in my LocoLibre quilts. George simply does good work. The wait hurts but order in the off season and the wait isn't nearly as painful :)
exactly!

El Gordo
12-11-2019, 22:52
I are he!

I have assembled the materials for a Moulder Strip, and hope to test it soon. My WhisperLite weighs too much! :laugh:

OutandBack
12-11-2019, 23:00
OK, I know that's not cold for Shug, but it's the coldest I've done, and I have my new, beautiful Habanero 0 degree under-quilt to thank for it. I asked for an extra ounce of down, and I swear George gave me two! And, look at the loft on that draft collar. Thanks very much, George, for such a great quilt.

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Congrats on your new personal best. 8 degrees is dammed cold. Sounds like you had a nice warm sleep in your hammock kit. Did you take anymore picts? I will never get to visit Stokes Forest.

Pennsy Camp and Canoe
12-11-2019, 23:01
congrats! 8 is my low record too, last winter in my LLG 20 Cayenne Pepper UQ. Hope I can get out soon

El Gordo
12-11-2019, 23:43
Did you take anymore picts? I will never get to visit Stokes Forest.

Sorry, OutandBack, I couldn't work my iPhone camera with my gloves on, and it was too cold to take them off! :laugh:

Stokes is nice, but you've got the best of it with the Lost Creek Wilderness.

cmoulder
12-13-2019, 07:36
I have assembled the materials for a Moulder Strip, and hope to test it soon. My WhisperLite weighs too much! :laugh:

Good to hear.... I'm totally done with white gas (naphtha)!

Tyroler Holzhacker
12-13-2019, 09:31
Ahh, the Delaware Water Gap! The Army used that area for Jungle warfare training during the Viet Nam War, dontcha know.

ParaJosh
12-17-2019, 21:29
OK, I know that's not cold for Shug, but it's the coldest I've done, and I have my new, beautiful Habanero 0 degree under-quilt to thank for it. I asked for an extra ounce of down, and I swear George gave me two! And, look at the loft on that draft collar. Thanks very much, George, for such a great quilt.

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Putting together an order from George right now and your comment is making me rethink having him add 2 ounces of overstuff... lol

Shug
12-20-2019, 09:36
OK, I know that's not cold for Shug, but it's the coldest I've done, and I have my new, beautiful Habanero 0 degree under-quilt to thank for it. I asked for an extra ounce of down, and I swear George gave me two! And, look at the loft on that draft collar. Thanks very much, George, for such a great quilt.

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My -10 Habanero was always always kept my buttocks and back toasty. Really nice in those good cold temps we all crave to hammock in.
Shug

OutandBack
12-21-2019, 23:12
extra ounce of down
Well I am probably too late to the party.
Its not all about an ounce or two of down its baffle depth.
A 2" baffle vs a 3.5" there is a huge difference in warmth with the same fill.

When Marty Gallimore from Wilderness Logic, God rest his sole, and me designed this winter UQ we did not give it a temp rating.
It sports 3.5" baffles and 48 oz of down.

https://live.staticflickr.com/2873/11404071085_54cd25e7e9_z.jpg

Grey Mouse
01-20-2020, 01:04
I would love to see single digits. My reaper has four ounces overfill and the lowest that I have gotten it too was 28F with a slight breeze. I would love to see some "Shug" weather !

El Gordo
01-22-2020, 09:07
Well I am probably too late to the party.
Its not all about an ounce or two of down its baffle depth.
A 2" baffle vs a 3.5" there is a huge difference in warmth with the same fill.

When Marty Gallimore from Wilderness Logic, God rest his sole, and me designed this winter UQ we did not give it a temp rating.
It sports 3.5" baffles and 48 oz of down.

https://live.staticflickr.com/2873/11404071085_54cd25e7e9_z.jpg

OutandBack - where's your favorite place in CO to take that monster? :D

Of course, I agree about baffle depth being much more important than overstuff - that's science! I was just saying that I thought George gave me an awful lot of value for the money. I think a *little* overstuff helps in humid conditions (maybe not such an issue at 0 degrees!), and I always seem to lose a little down over time.

El Gordo
01-22-2020, 09:11
I would love to see single digits. My reaper has four ounces overfill and the lowest that I have gotten it too was 28F with a slight breeze. I would love to see some "Shug" weather !

Where did you find 28F in Florida? It was 80F when I left Naples last week! :D

cmoulder
01-22-2020, 09:29
Where did you find 28F in Florida? It was 80F when I left Naples last week! :D

I was born and raised in the Panhandle and it can get down below freezing there... not very often, though!

El Gordo
01-22-2020, 12:36
I was born and raised in the Panhandle and it can get down below freezing there... not very often, though!

Ossining must have been a shock! But, now, you're the subfreezing-weather canister stove maven!

cmoulder
01-22-2020, 17:16
Ossining must have been a shock! But, now, you're the subfreezing-weather canister stove maven!

In fact, being raised in a warm, flat place I was happy to go someplace with snow and hills and mountains not too far away. Once I learned how to dress and to camp comfortably in the cold I really enjoyed it. Learned a whole bunch more when I got into mountaineering some years later.

I used white gas happily for a long time, but it was my frustration with trying to use a MSR Reactor in the cold that spurred me to come up with an easy way to get canister stoves to work in very cold temps without having to use a water bath or keep the canister in my sleeping bag. Yes, I know it's just a variation on the heat shunt concept but the copper strip is a simple trick that works amazingly well. A couple of mornings ago it was about 7F and I just fired up the stove as if it were a 70F summer morning. :cool:

MikekiM
01-23-2020, 06:39
In fact, being raised in a warm, flat place I was happy to go someplace with snow and hills and mountains not too far away. Once I learned how to dress and to camp comfortably in the cold I really enjoyed it. Learned a whole bunch more when I got into mountaineering some years later.

I used white gas happily for a long time, but it was my frustration with trying to use a MSR Reactor in the cold that spurred me to come up with an easy way to get canister stoves to work in very cold temps without having to use a water bath or keep the canister in my sleeping bag. Yes, I know it's just a variation on the heat shunt concept but the copper strip is a simple trick that works amazingly well. A couple of mornings ago it was about 7F and I just fired up the stove as if it were a 70F summer morning. :cool:


I need to modify mine to work with the Jet Boil... It's fine as is when used with the BRS, but doesn't fit in the bottom vents of the Jet Boil. Next trip I'll bring it.. Might just need one end of the strip trimmed by a few mm's but I don't want to muck with it...

cmoulder
01-23-2020, 06:57
I need to modify mine to work with the Jet Boil... It's fine as is when used with the BRS, but doesn't fit in the bottom vents of the Jet Boil. Next trip I'll bring it.. Might just need one end of the strip trimmed by a few mm's but I don't want to muck with it...

It is difficult to use with some JB burners... it will work with the Flash but you have to make a strip with a curve to clear some structural element... I forget which. Minimo is no problem at all... straight thru the burner from canister to flame.

I'd say stick with the BRS but the Jetboil is simply the best snow melting machine I've ever worked with. :boggle:

Floridahanger
01-23-2020, 07:56
Where did you find 28F in Florida? It was 80F when I left Naples last week! :D
My personal low was 23*F in Ocala FL during the 4th Annual Florida Hang that has become HangCon. I didn't have LL quilts but would have loved it. Of course George wasn't making quilts in 2014 so that wasn't a possibility.

OneClick
01-23-2020, 08:06
but the Jetboil is simply the best snow melting machine I've ever worked with. :boggle:

I don't think any of them could match the Reactor though. It impresses me every time. The radiant heat instead of flame and windproof design is amazing. Love the "real" lid. I run mine on propane for winter when pulking. A little bulky for backpacking since I got the large pot.

michigandave
01-23-2020, 08:18
I don't think any of them could match the Reactor though. It impresses me every time. The radiant heat instead of flame and windproof design is amazing. Love the "real" lid. I run mine on propane for winter when pulking. A little bulky for backpacking since I got the large pot.

I totally agree since I've seen yours in action many times. Preheating cold water before pouring in in my coffee perk has been a game changer for those cold weather outings! I've had a jetboil for years, but really haven't used it much lately since I prefer to "cook" meals instead of doing cook in bag stuff.

cmoulder
01-23-2020, 08:31
My personal low was 23*F in Ocala FL during the 4th Annual Florida Hang that has become HangCon. I didn't have LL quilts but would have loved it. Of course George wasn't making quilts in 2014 so that wasn't a possibility.

23F in Ocala!! That's when they go around and hose down the orange trees.

cmoulder
01-23-2020, 08:42
I don't think any of them could match the Reactor though. It impresses me every time. The radiant heat instead of flame and windproof design is amazing. Love the "real" lid. I run mine on propane for winter when pulking. A little bulky for backpacking since I got the large pot.

Fire it up at 5F with commercial isobutane/propane blends and the Reactor dies fairly quickly unless you go the water bath route for the canister. Jetboil with copper strip will run just fine well below zero using plain-jane butane, vapor temp 31F. With straight-up butane it takes a couple of tricks to get it started, but once running it'll run full bore to the last molecule of fuel.

But if 100% propane is an option and weight is not a concern, of course the Reactor is a good choice. I suppose there are some who are willing to schlep those 1lb propane canisters up into the mountains. 2 people makes it easier, splitting the load.

MikekiM
01-24-2020, 18:09
....I suppose there are some who are willing to schlep those 1lb propane canisters up into the mountains. 2 people makes it easier, splitting the load.

Don't get any ideas.. I'm not carrying that thing. End of story.

I'll let you look at the Jet Boil next time we're out

cmoulder
01-24-2020, 20:06
Don't get any ideas.. I'm not carrying that thing. End of story.

I'll let you look at the Jet Boil next time we're out

LOL not to worry... those 1 lb propane canisters actually weigh about 2 lbs, and a bit more for the adapter.

However, with careful fuel management I think there would be enough fuel there to melt snow and heat water for 3 people for 3 nights. I once used my JB for 3 people for 2 nights in that way (melt snow, boil for food/coffee) using one 230g canister and part of another, so right around 300g total, in single digit temps. A typical isobutane/propane canister weighs 380g, so 2x would be 760g, not that much lighter than the 860g for the small propane tank. BTUs per unit is almost the same for the two.

I actually have a spare MiniMo setup you can use if you like.

MikekiM
01-25-2020, 09:23
....I actually have a spare MiniMo setup you can use if you like.

I bought the JB Zip on a complete impulse. I already had the BRS/moulder strip setup but for $60 I figured I'd see what everyone raves about with the JB. The Zip is.. ok. A snick over 12oz without fuel. No doubt boil times are crazy.. about two-ish minutes for two-ish cups.. but I still contend with the cold canister issue and having to redesign the strip. I think it's 850ml which other than for full on snow melting is more than enough capacity and I don't ever see myself cooking in it.

Thanks for the offer on the Mini-Mo.. let's dissect the Zip and see what comes of it.

cmoulder
01-25-2020, 10:41
No worries, and we will find a way to sneak it thru the pot supports. I also have a Flash that is similar.

Maybe a little magic with the Dremel lol. :laugh:

brutalguyracing
01-25-2020, 15:25
Where are you guys getting the copper for these strips

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cmoulder
01-25-2020, 15:50
Where are you guys getting the copper for these strips

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Google 'basic copper 1" width 20mil'

Some people have been hammering copper tube flat, which I'm pretty sure will work but I have not done that myself.