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opie
03-28-2010, 18:14
So I want to start a thread dedicated to the custom one offs that customers present to me.

First is one that is still in the field. Its an Adjustable Structural Ridgeline that, IIRC, has a range of adjustment between 48" and 105". This is so you can pull the RL to its shortest length for "chair mode." Then lengthen it back out for hammock mode. I dont have any pictures...but its still a whoopie sling.

Next up is one I just finished.... Its 1, 15' length of webbing with a cinch buckle sewn in one end with a 2" loop sewn in 12" from the buckle. On the other end is a 1" loop for a biner, clip what have you to go around your tree.

The idea is to pass the buckle and webbing through the 2" loop to girth hitch to the hammock. Work the other end with the 1" loop through the buckle and then that goes out to your tree.

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010238.jpg

Its not the lightest.... And I think its similar to the WB strap suspension, But it works.

opie
03-28-2010, 18:19
Im working on a set-up that has the whoppie sling connected to the webbing. I mocked one up this evening and Im not that fond if it. Although it does work and hold.

I can sew in rings, buckles.... I can incorporate your slings into your webbing...

Just present me with your idea.

SGT Rock
03-28-2010, 18:28
Zero gravity hammock that self supports without needing trees.

opie
03-28-2010, 20:24
Im working on it.

The fairies arent cooperating though.

Barefoot Child
03-28-2010, 20:28
Opie,
contact George Jetson....he will probably have a better handle on the zero gravity thingee. Just saying :rolleyes:.

opie
04-02-2010, 12:27
How about having your slings connected directly to your straps?

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010240.jpg

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010242.jpg

This would require either a biner, or dutch clip to be used on the other end of your strap.

I do have a very limited supply of a variation of the Dutch Clip that I will include at no charge once I make this offering available. I have enough for 4 sets.

I am also going to get a different version of the rope thimble. The one sewn in weighs 2 grams. The two not sewn in, the plastic one weighs 3 grams as does the SS thimble. What I will get is a round rope thimble.

optimator
04-03-2010, 14:37
How about having your slings connected directly to your straps?

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010240.jpg

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010242.jpg

This would require either a biner, or dutch clip to be used on the other end of your strap.

I do have a very limited supply of a variation of the Dutch Clip that I will include at no charge once I make this offering available. I have enough for 4 sets.

I am also going to get a different version of the rope thimble. The one sewn in weighs 2 grams. The two not sewn in, the plastic one weighs 3 grams as does the SS thimble. What I will get is a round rope thimble.

I like this idea. A big part of my whoopie sling avoidance is because I just know I'll be leaving tree straps behind all over the place :laugh:

Cranky Bear
04-03-2010, 15:08
Opie,
Very cool idea, one question with it permanently sewn in to the strap you have gotten rid of the marlin spike as the adjustment/attachment point so how would the adjustment of the strap length take place with your new design? Would it be from the sewn loops in the webbing strap? Or another method?

BrianWillan
04-03-2010, 15:39
Opie,
Very cool idea, one question with it permanently sewn in to the strap you have gotten rid of the marlin spike as the adjustment/attachment point so how would the adjustment of the strap length take place with your new design? Would it be from the sewn loops in the webbing strap? Or another method?

CB, you could get some adjustment in the strap length by wrapping it multiple times around the tree if the tree in question allows that. Beyond that, your adjustment would come via the whoopie sling itself.

Cheers

Brian

opie
04-03-2010, 15:59
CB, you could get some adjustment in the strap length by wrapping it multiple times around the tree if the tree in question allows that. Beyond that, your adjustment would come via the whoopie sling itself.

Cheers

Brian

What Brian said. That's why this method requires a biner or Dutch clip.

Cranky Bear
04-03-2010, 16:22
Thanks!!!!

WrongTurn
04-04-2010, 14:46
Opie everytime I order something from you, you come out with something to solve my problem a week later.

I guess I'll be working some overtime this month again.;)

Doctari
04-04-2010, 16:05
I like the idea of pre-attached webbing to the whoopies. This morning as I was taking my set up down it occurred to me that there is a high probability that someday I will forget my webbing & dutch clips some AM & not notice it till PM & miles later when I go to set up again. It is one of the reasons I went to carabiners on the loops of the webbing so I could leave the webbing attached to the ring buckles, therefore not leaving my suspension behind.
Although I did dream once that I left my entire set up behind, couldn't figure out why my pack was so light. :scared: did 20 miles that day, Then had to go back & get my hammock, I woke up in a sweat, couldn't get back to sleep.

opie
04-04-2010, 19:03
Opie everytime I order something from you, you come out with something to solve my problem a week later.

I guess I'll be working some overtime this month again.;)

Overtime is good....

Did that RL ever make it to you?

opie
04-04-2010, 19:04
I like the idea of pre-attached webbing to the whoopies. This morning as I was taking my set up down it occurred to me that there is a high probability that someday I will forget my webbing & dutch clips some AM & not notice it till PM & miles later when I go to set up again. It is one of the reasons I went to carabiners on the loops of the webbing so I could leave the webbing attached to the ring buckles, therefore not leaving my suspension behind.
Although I did dream once that I left my entire set up behind, couldn't figure out why my pack was so light. :scared: did 20 miles that day, Then had to go back & get my hammock, I woke up in a sweat, couldn't get back to sleep.

Someone else came up with the idea.... I thought it was a good one and now that I have the webbing, I can work up a solution for those that like the option.

WrongTurn
04-08-2010, 11:41
The replacement did yes thank you.

Are the strap thimble whoopie sling combo jobs available?

opie
04-08-2010, 13:38
The replacement did yes thank you.

Are the strap thimble whoopie sling combo jobs available?

I just got the thimbles yesterday. Let me see how they will work out.

opie
04-10-2010, 22:46
Ok... One step closer. I hope to get some test time in tomorrow with these. Pictures are of a rough mockup.....

The larger thimble is 5 grams. The smaller one is 1 gram.

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010248.jpg
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010249.jpg
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010250.jpg
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010251.jpg

lonetracker
04-10-2010, 23:05
How about having your slings connected directly to your straps?

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010240.jpg

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010242.jpg

This would require either a biner, or dutch clip to be used on the other end of your strap.

I do have a very limited supply of a variation of the Dutch Clip that I will include at no charge once I make this offering available. I have enough for 4 sets.

I am also going to get a different version of the rope thimble. The one sewn in weighs 2 grams. The two not sewn in, the plastic one weighs 3 grams as does the SS thimble. What I will get is a round rope thimble.

uncanny.today while tryng to come up with a alternative to cinch buckles,i came up with almost this exact idea.i started to do a search for parts on the internet but could not remember what that little part was called(thimble)i rememered you said something about useing one on that big rope you were doing so i came to your page to look it up.i opened this thread,thinking this is were the big rope is,and ,hey thats what i was thinking.weird how close your pics were to what i had in my head.
after thinking on it more i am going to get some small tubing 1/4 to 3/8.i am going to bend it to a shape similar to those thimbles,maybe wider on the back were the strap will go.the rope i am thinking will not be able to 'derail' as easily if enclosed in a tube.
another adjustment option is to tie the strap as shug shows in essentials for a nube part 3 at around 5:30

opie
04-10-2010, 23:17
Tubing is something else I thought of. Stainless steel would best.

If you beat me to it, let me know how it works out.

Also... Ive found that with the smaller stainless thimbles, they tend to want to wander all over the strap loop. No an issue when the suspension is hung.... And probably not really an issue at all. Just something to think about. The nice thing with putting the timble in the strap like Ive done is the rope cant wander out of the thimble.

lonetracker
04-10-2010, 23:19
just saw your last one (post 18).i really like the looks of that one.i had my clarks drip rings in hand today,they are real close to that shape could not figure a way to attach them to the webbing.now i know.they are what originally got me thinking of those thimbles.

ikemouser
04-11-2010, 09:46
What Brian said. That's why this method requires a biner or Dutch clip.

i really like this idea. If someone can do it without having to add any hardware(biners, dutch clips, etc), I would definately adopt.

opie
04-11-2010, 09:52
i really like this idea. If someone can do it without having to add any hardware(biners, dutch clips, etc), I would definately adopt.

Ike, I suppose you could do it with a toggle too. Wrap the loop around the tree and toggle the standing part through the loop. It would need to be a good toggle since it would be bearing the brunt of the weight.

You cant girth hitch because you cant seperate the strap from the sling. You could do one side, but IMO it would be a PITA.

lonetracker
04-11-2010, 11:09
i really like this idea. If someone can do it without having to add any hardware(biners, dutch clips, etc), I would definately adopt.

nacrabiner?

JDShearer
04-11-2010, 13:51
I think I'm gonna do this with the nacrabiner!

opie
04-11-2010, 14:36
nacrabiner?

There ya go.

opie
04-11-2010, 17:39
Ok... One step closer. I hope to get some test time in tomorrow with these. Pictures are of a rough mockup.....

The larger thimble is 5 grams. The smaller one is 1 gram.

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010248.jpg
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010249.jpg
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010250.jpg
http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/opie0074/P1010251.jpg

This is a no go. The plastic thimbles wont hold up.

I did have a thought while doing this, though. This still doesnt get a drip leg into the line just prior to your hammock. So what Im going to try is a continuous loop with a ring built into it. I can then build the fixed eye of the sling into the ring as well. The adjustable loop of the sling will be built into a loop on the straps. Ill still fold over the section of strap where the sling goes through, it just wont have a thimble. I think this is ideal as it will deform the webbing the least. This accomplishes the one piece suspension while incorporating the ring/water stop just before your hammock and under your tarp.

To attach, youll simply girth hitch the continuous loop to your hammock. This will require you to run all the suspension through the loop, but thats not a major issue and once its done, its done.

lonetracker
04-13-2010, 22:21
here is my small tube as a slide progress.got a 3foot 1/4 in. brass tube and salvaged a maybe 9/32 aluminum tube out fo a camping perculator.i really believed i could bend this stuff.even made a small pipe bender out of some cable thimbles,and a perfect sized pulley wheel.tried heating it on the stove.no go.maybe with a torch to keep it warm.i am sure there is a way,its just not in my head.

9687

i think the route you went opie is the best one for this application.
but i havent given up yet there is still break/hydrolic lines to explore....

opie
04-14-2010, 04:43
Lone, I think brass will be to soft. Aluminum or SS I think will be your best bet.

darkknight0667
04-21-2010, 12:54
Great idea, Opie!

I was actually thinking about essentially the same set-up this morning (before I found this thread). My thought was to fix a Dutch clip into one eye of the tree hugger and a D-ring in the other (by using a D-ring, you wouldn't have to deform the webbing at all, as the webbing would ride against the flat portion of the ring). You could then form the adjustable loop of the WhoOpie sling around the curved portion of the D-ring and attach the fixed loop to the hammock as normal. Everything would be connected, so nothing could be lost or left behind and you'd only be adding the weight of the Dutch clips and D-rings.

I'm definitely going to be watching this thread and your site for further developments on this set-up.

opie
04-21-2010, 17:02
darkknight... I think you can eliminate the D ring also. So the only things you would be adding is a ring and the loop for hammock connection.

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16462

darkknight0667
04-21-2010, 17:25
Essentially, we've got the same idea. In mine, the D-ring is attached directly to the tree hugger, while in yours, you've got a continuous loop attaching the tree hugger to the ring. After that point, the rigs are the same and therefore should have similar weight characteristics. Yours has the advantage of not having to remake the end loop on the tree hugger, while mine doesn't deform the webbing.

Here's a quick sketch of the two designs (in case my description isn't clear):

http://www.propaholics.wolfchasers.com/uploader/users/darkknight0667/Continuous%20Suspension%20Rigging%20Concept.jpg

opie
04-21-2010, 18:41
The reason I dont put the ring out at the webbing/sling connection is then it doesnt serve the purpose of acting as a water stop. Thats the only reason for the addition of the ring. Otherwise one could attach the sling directly to the hammock. And if the ring isnt under your tarp, then any water that falls onto your suspension will make its way onto your hammock. Perhaps that would be minimal since water coming down the tree would stop at the D ring... But I still think its best to have your water stop under your tarp.

Also... The reason why I say you could eliminate the D ring is because having the sling go right through the webbing deforms it no more than the marlin spike hitch. Which is a proven method of sling/strap attachment.

EDIT: The continuous loop is what attaches to the hammock. Youve got the loop and the sling backwards in your illustration.

darkknight0667
04-21-2010, 18:45
I hadn't thought about the rain issue. Down here in FL, we do most of our camping in the "dry season" (October - May), so I haven't had to deal with rain, yet (yet, being the most important word in that sentence). Thanks for the education.

opie
04-21-2010, 19:00
A strip of cotton serves the same purpose.

darkknight0667
04-21-2010, 19:17
After my last post, I wondered if the back-spliced end of the WhoOpie Sling wouldn't serve to divert the rain, too?

opie
04-21-2010, 19:36
I believe some use that method.... The issue is the Dyneema doesnt wick moisture like a natural fiber will.