View Full Version : Sewing Rope To Webbing?
headchange4u
11-09-2006, 15:14
This is just a random thought and I probably already know the answer but I thought I would ask anyways.
Has anyone ever tried sewing a rope and webbing together?
blackbishop351
11-09-2006, 15:29
No....I can't imagine it would work too well, though. I assume you're talking about load-bearing rope and webbing like in a suspension system? I don't think you could get adequate stitching through the rope to hold a decent load. Plus, the way rope is woven wouldn't really hold stitches very well.
Just my .02 :D
You could probably tie a knot in the end of the rope, then wrap the webbiing around it lengthwise and whip it (whip it good).
Just Jeff
11-09-2006, 17:51
Whip it...into shape.
Or sew a loop in the webbing, then tie the cord through the loop.
Going forward... It's not to late.
If you could get the thread through the rope, the limiting factor will be the strength of the thread. I think that it would be the first thing to go.
headchange4u
11-10-2006, 08:32
Like I said, I already knew the answer to that question. I just wanted to get some EXPERT opinions.
This is just a random thought and I probably already know the answer but I thought I would ask anyways.
Has anyone ever tried sewing a rope and webbing together?
What rope, what webbing, what purpose?
I have seen some beautiful splices between rope and webbing that involved unraveling a few inches of 3 strand rope, mashing them with a hammer and then sewing that to a piece of webbing. The whole thing was hidden by a piece of cloth sewn over the splice. I think this might have been for a sailboat application. I also think that I have seen webbing divided and braided so that it will go through a hole - kayak application.
Rick
txulrich
11-10-2006, 11:00
Whip it...into shape.
Or sew a loop in the webbing, then tie the cord through the loop.
This is the best suggestion, but I would add that the knot should be a double sheet bend. Then whip the working end to the standing rope. It will be ultra strong and will never come apart (unless you want it to!).
I once had an application where I inserted a shock cord into a piece of tubular nylon webbing and used a Speedy Stitcher on it. Worked OK, but I had reservations about it's strength.
A similar app with line and tubular MIGHT work, but I don't like the idea of weight bearing.
Jim
KerMegan
08-13-2010, 11:33
I was thinking a load bearing knot might be the better way to go-(sheet bend, double sheet bend?) or is the stitching required for some reason? KM
eye splice the rope, then loop the webbing through the eye splice.
Ramblinrev
08-13-2010, 12:07
Depending on the size of the rope and the application intended, you have have luck with a specialized cording foot made for the sewing machine. They are designed with a channel to hold and guide the cording as it is being sewn onto the base fabric. The stitches would run in line with the rope as opposed to bar tacking across. I have never done this but the theory would seem to be sound again depending on the application.
angrysparrow
08-13-2010, 12:10
Congrats Jsaults. This is oldest thread necromancy we've seen on HF so far.
I got bored at work today......
Jim
angrysparrow
08-13-2010, 19:33
I got bored at work today......
Jim
It's nice to see one of the older topics come up once and again. New thoughts about old questions makes interesting conversation.
I'm glad you found it.
Just Jeff
08-13-2010, 19:43
I was thinking about doing this with the Dutch Biners. Using DBs on cord is easier than on webbing, but I still need huggers...so I was thinking of ways to connect the cord to the webbing. Dutch just made a loop, which works fine...but obviously I have to tinker with it.
So far I've just tied the loops around it, but I think I'm gonna try the double-sheet-bend next.
I was hesitant to sew the cord on b/c I'm not sure how the cord would take the stitch. If you use Spectra in a sheath, only the sheath and maybe a few strands of the Spectra would be taking the force. If you use Amsteel, I wonder if it could come unbraided.
Looks like we need a techie to test it for us. Who's got the gear at work?
Nick the Splicer
08-13-2010, 20:52
What is the rope and what is the webbing. There is definitely ways to make this work that don't involve loops at the end.
My first guess would be a insert the rope into the webbing then apply two or three traditional whippings to lock the two together.
If it is a hollow braid rope to webbing, you could locking-brummel the two together.
I've done a hollow braid to 3strand end-to-end splice that looked sharp. I know this one could be done...
love
nick
angrysparrow
08-13-2010, 20:54
I've done a hollow braid to 3strand end-to-end splice that looked sharp. I know this one could be done...
Do you have pics of that? What kind of rope and webbing?
oldgringo
08-14-2010, 04:40
I don't see the rationale behind joining the two in a way that is almost certain to derate the resulting product.
My preference would be for a spliced eye and a sewn eye larksheaded together.
LostCause
08-14-2010, 07:20
A larkshead would derate the union too. Benefit would be the temporary union.
Why not just do what blkx01 suggested? Splice an eye into the rope (with maybe a little vinyl tubing to protect the webbing from the cord in the eye) and insert the webbing through the eye and sew erm... THREAD INJECT the webbing loop?
Less derating than the larkshead combo.
I have stitched amsteel into the channel of a bridge on Hangnout's suggestion and it's worked fine.
Ramblinrev
08-14-2010, 08:04
Tie a stop knot like fig 8 in one end of the rope. Lay the rope on the webbing. Using a "ladder Stitch" draw the edges of the webbing together encircling the rope. This encases the rope in a webbing "tube" or sufficient length and strength to provide the needed protection and support for the rope. Hand sew through the webbing tube catching the rope and locking it in place. If the locking stitches should break the stop knot would prevent the rope from sliding out the end. I would not want to use this rig as a support system... but it seems to me it could be made to support quite a bit of weight or stress. This would eliminate the bulk of the loops suggested above. (a much stronger system I grant but not as streamlined.)
Ladder stitch (used from drawing openings together while under pressure. Compressing the stuffing into a pillow for example.)
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