IX Underquilt - DIY

[titanium_hiker]

Just Jeff and Risk experimented with integrated UQs- try searching for "down hammock" on Just Jeff's site (tothewoods.net) and have a look at what Risk was doing (imrisk.com)

[alittletotheleft]

just read this WHOLE thing. my clicker finger is tired and my wife is annoyed. But I know what I'm doing for an underquilt! :D

[CdnDave]

just read this WHOLE thing. my clicker finger is tired and my wife is annoyed. But I know what I'm doing for an underquilt! :D

I had the exact response to this thread - this was going to be my 1st DIY hammock project, ordered all my material from DIY Gear Supply.

Showed it to a friend that really knows her way around a thread injector and she said it would be hard - so she is going to help me :D

I hope to learn a lot from her

CdnDave

[RR_Texan]

I"m getting ready to try making one myself, but have a quick question.

the instructions say to cut the top and bottom covers like the top and bottom patterns for the IX. Does this mean I cut the same pleats in the cover or just cut to the final size of the pieces?

thanks,
dave

[Shotgunred]

I"m getting ready to try making one myself, but have a quick question.

the instructions say to cut the top and bottom covers like the top and bottom patterns for the IX. Does this mean I cut the same pleats in the cover or just cut to the final size of the pieces?

thanks,
dave

Yes, but I sewed on the pleat/ dart lines first, then you can cut the excess or just leave it

[chetter72]

I'm so excited to start this project, for my trip in July! Should only be hitting lows of 40*. But I'll post vids and finished product, and review around June!

[sclittlefield]

I"m getting ready to try making one myself, but have a quick question.

the instructions say to cut the top and bottom covers like the top and bottom patterns for the IX. Does this mean I cut the same pleats in the cover or just cut to the final size of the pieces?

thanks,
dave

Yup, do the pleats. This way the curve of the quilt is maintained.

[seadad9903]

That's an interesting idea. You would definitely get a great seal going that route, no fiddle factor on the underquilt suspension. Let us know if you do it.

finished it. posted it at http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52248 since it is not just the UQ.

[RR_Texan]

I have my UQ sewn, but have a quick question regarding the shock cord. I have two pieces in the short ends (~42 inches) with one end sewn into the grossgrain and the other with a cord lock. I have one long piece (~30 ft) going through one long end across the short end, but not in the channel, then back through the other long end, inside the channel.

How do I figure out how long of a piece I need to keep? Do I sew one end in the channel like the short ends or tie them together in a big loop? Not sure how this last piece goes together. I guess it would also help to see how it attaches to the underside of the hammock. I'm planning on making some cord only triangle thingies.

thanks,
dave

[sclittlefield]

I have my UQ sewn, but have a quick question regarding the shock cord. I have two pieces in the short ends (~42 inches) with one end sewn into the grossgrain and the other with a cord lock. I have one long piece (~30 ft) going through one long end across the short end, but not in the channel, then back through the other long end, inside the channel.

How do I figure out how long of a piece I need to keep? Do I sew one end in the channel like the short ends or tie them together in a big loop? Not sure how this last piece goes together. I guess it would also help to see how it attaches to the underside of the hammock. I'm planning on making some cord only triangle thingies.

thanks,
dave

Run the loose ends through a cordlock so you have a long loop. Adjust the cordlock until you figure out how large a loop is ideal for your particular hammock. Then you can tie it tight and lop off the loose ends - make it a little longer than necessary, and use the cordlock to tighten it up. I loop the ends around the end gather of my hammocks (Warbonnet style) - if you use a different end gather hammock then you can clip it to your suspension line. The triangle thingies, if you end them with mitten hooks, can clip to the shock cord and pull it up tight to combat any droop.

Hope that makes some bit of sense.

[trippaw]

Fantastic thread and directions. Good to see so many successes and examples. Starting on it this next weekend. Thanks all!

[medicineman03]

Very nice job once again Mr. Littlefield! I wish I would have seen this thread when I did the bulk of my ordering from you. I will be sure to get this project underway before i head up your way (Maine) at the end of the summer. I will probably use a driducks emergency poncho http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52200as the outerlayer. Does anyone have any pics of the three layer version rolled up? I am curious how it measure out packed up.

[iRokk]

So, can you not get the Insultex anymore? I can't seem to find it anywhere, and even DIY Gear Supply is out!

[Shotgunred]

Very nice job once again Mr. Littlefield! I wish I would have seen this thread when I did the bulk of my ordering from you. I will be sure to get this project underway before i head up your way (Maine) at the end of the summer. I will probably use a driducks emergency poncho http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52200as the outerlayer. Does anyone have any pics of the three layer version rolled up? I am curious how it measure out packed up.

Here is a pic of my 3 layer with suspension made exactly to plans. 16 oz. total.
http://img.tapatalk.com/0c1398dc-dada-d246.jpg

[medicineman03]

Here is a pic of my 3 layer with suspension made exactly to plans. 16 oz. total.

Awesome! Thanks

[chetter72]

So, can you not get the Insultex anymore? I can't seem to find it anywhere, and even DIY Gear Supply is out!

Yea, I can't find it either. That a huge snag on my DIY UQ project. I emailed DUYgearsupply and he responded he would get some in in a couple weeks but that was like 3 weeks ago. Anyone know where we can get some?

[medicineman03]

Yea, I can't find it either. That a huge snag on my DIY UQ project. I emailed DUYgearsupply and he responded he would get some in in a couple weeks but that was like 3 weeks ago. Anyone know where we can get some?

Here a link for a quick solution http://www.idigear.com/allinone.php I'm considering it. Grizz goes into detail on this earlier on in this thread.

[sclittlefield]

So, can you not get the Insultex anymore? I can't seem to find it anywhere, and even DIY Gear Supply is out!


Yea, I can't find it either. That a huge snag on my DIY UQ project. I emailed DUYgearsupply and he responded he would get some in in a couple weeks but that was like 3 weeks ago. Anyone know where we can get some?

The truck tried to drop it off yesterday but I was out (gotta sign for it). I'll be picking it up tomorrow at their shop, so it'll be available Wed afternoon. Sorry for the delay. It always takes longer than I expect - you'd think I'd learn by now to re-order earlier. :)

[medicineman03]

The truck tried to drop it off yesterday but I was out (gotta sign for it). I'll be picking it up tomorrow at their shop, so it'll be available Wed afternoon. Sorry for the delay. It always takes longer than I expect - you'd think I'd learn by now to re-order earlier. :)

Awesome Scott! I'll put my order in as soon as I see it up on the website

[matmore74]

I have left-over underlayment, and have checked both or local stores, all I can find has polyethylene on one side. This makes it much heavier and non-breathable. Anybody find some without?

Well, as Tom Hanks said as Forest. "Stupid is as Stupid does" But I found Duct tape can fix it. That is tape the mouth and hands and feet and then to a seat. Then there is no stupid thing said or done other then taping them. Joke, See Stupid. LOL.

[sawgrassbrothers]

DIY gear supply has insultex i believe.

[medicineman03]

DIY gear supply has insultex i believe.

I just ordered some

[chetter72]

The truck tried to drop it off yesterday but I was out (gotta sign for it). I'll be picking it up tomorrow at their shop, so it'll be available Wed afternoon. Sorry for the delay. It always takes longer than I expect - you'd think I'd learn by now to re-order earlier. :)

Awesome thank you Scott for the info!!! I'm really excited to start this project!!! You guys are the best there at DIY Gear Supply!!! Ordering soon!!

[Spiffyguy]

I am thinking about make up a 3 layer version of these with the draft tubes on all sides. One question I have is I would like to make it a little longer than the 60 and try to cover my feet a little. Since the IX comes 60" wide and I would probably make it a little longer than that what is the best way to lay it out to minimize lose of fabric. Can the middle layer be multiple sheets? Hate to have a lot of waste.

[Brute1100]

What's the approximate cost of this as the directions set it up?

[Spiffyguy]

I poked around yesterday on backwoodsdaydreamer.com looking at things. I had planned to make channels from the ripstop so I left that off my list. Seems quite affordable to me. Plan on digging into the project next month.

4 yards IX - 25.4
3 yards 1.1 2nds - 9.6
24' 1/8 shock cord - 6
3 eliptical cord locks - .69

total w/o shipping - 41.69

[Brute1100]

Yeah after I asked I removed my head from butt and headed over to them and checked prices... I ball parked 40 which is about the same price a poncho liner under quilt would cost, and about a 1/2 lb less and appears to be less bulk as well... I wonder what 2 layers of it would be good for temperature wise...

[sclittlefield]

I am thinking about make up a 3 layer version of these with the draft tubes on all sides. One question I have is I would like to make it a little longer than the 60 and try to cover my feet a little. Since the IX comes 60" wide and I would probably make it a little longer than that what is the best way to lay it out to minimize lose of fabric. Can the middle layer be multiple sheets? Hate to have a lot of waste.

Yeah, it's just like a sheet of fabric as far as sewing goes - you can sew scraps together easy to make whatever full size you want. And if it's covered in a shell material, no one will be the wiser. :)

[Billybobky]

Nice thread I will have to look into making one.

[Brute1100]

For those of you that have made a two layer with an optional removable third layer... Did you find that the cuts on the outside and middle layer hugged you enough and prevented leaks around you...

I'm thinking about snaps to attach the third layer in is there anything bad about that idea... I am trying to decide between velcro and snaps and they both have their pluses and minuses... I'm thinking the snaps will hold to it the exact position better than the velcro and i don't like the snagging fuzzing part of velcro...

Would you wrap the third layer in a protective layer on one side or just leave it open since it shouldn't be exposed to the elements very often...

[Spiffyguy]

I am about to make my attempt at one of these. I am making a modification to the size, I would like to try for more of a full length one as opposed to the 3/4 length. So need to help checking on my math and if I am going about it wrong. I reckon I will keep the width the same as the original plans at 48 inches. But the length I would like to bring out to 70-72ish, I am 5' 10 so I guess 70 should keep my feet covered??

So at 48x70 I am guessing I will need 5 yards of IX. That will provide 3 layers at the 45-48" x 60" and 3 layers at 44-48" x 10". Next for the shell, 1.1 ripstop. I figure I will need 4.5 yards to do both sides and make shock cord channels. That way I can skip the gosgrain. So does this sound about right or am I crazy?? lol Thanks for the help.

[Spiffyguy]

just a bump to make sure I am on track with materials. Planning on ordering later today. 5 yards ripstop, 5 yards IX should make a 3 layer full length at 70 inches? Thanks

[Swede2378]

Strongly recommend grossgrain for the channels, they take a bit of punishment.

[Spiffyguy]

Is it possible to use some grosgrain to reinforce the openings and use the ripstop for the channels? I did this on a set of gaiters. Sew a small strip and then used a soldering iron burn a hole in it. My hope with the ripstop channels was to save the weight of running grosgrain the full length on both sides.

[sclittlefield]

I am about to make my attempt at one of these. I am making a modification to the size, I would like to try for more of a full length one as opposed to the 3/4 length. So need to help checking on my math and if I am going about it wrong. I reckon I will keep the width the same as the original plans at 48 inches. But the length I would like to bring out to 70-72ish, I am 5' 10 so I guess 70 should keep my feet covered??

So at 48x70 I am guessing I will need 5 yards of IX. That will provide 3 layers at the 45-48" x 60" and 3 layers at 44-48" x 10". Next for the shell, 1.1 ripstop. I figure I will need 4.5 yards to do both sides and make shock cord channels. That way I can skip the gosgrain. So does this sound about right or am I crazy?? lol Thanks for the help.

Sounds about right.


Is it possible to use some grosgrain to reinforce the openings and use the ripstop for the channels? I did this on a set of gaiters. Sew a small strip and then used a soldering iron burn a hole in it. My hope with the ripstop channels was to save the weight of running grosgrain the full length on both sides.

Yeah, the gross grain edging will take the brunt of the wear, that's a pretty good way to do it. It's not saving much weight, but it does save a little.

[Spiffyguy]

Thanks for the info. Supplies have been ordered. Will post up some pics when I get done.

[Brute1100]

Thanks for the info. Supplies have been ordered. Will post up some pics when I get done.

I'm interested in how it turns out... Weight and bulk especially...

[MotoBoss]

I have a Wiggy's PL.
http://wiggys.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=197&CFID=3326395&CFTOKEN=50208412

I am going to attempt to make it into an UQ using these plans.
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14902&d=1288037882

I am not adding any extra layers, just the UQ as purchased as I am using it with a hammock cover
http://www.2qzqhammockhanger.com/hammockaccessories.html

for mild (above 45 F) weather. All I figure I need to do is cut to size, add the pleats, add the crossgrain channels for cord and done.

Am I on the right track or thinking foolishy?

[Spiffyguy]

So as I am leaving my house to go to work, I happen to notice a package on the front porch. I can only guess that is my supplies. Be nice if the mail dude would ring the bell once an awhile, I could have been knee deep on DIY goodies.

But I have couple questions before I get rolling.

1. Are the V notches cuts or pleats? I seem to remember reading that an overlapped pleat helped the IX have a small air pocket to maintain heat.

2. Since this is going to be 70" long, or 72" I am not sure yet, that extra chunk of IX needs to go in there somewhere. Should I alternate putting it on either end so there is not a seam in the same place? or would there be better to do one at each end and split the middle layer in half and insert it in the middle? Hope that makes sense

3. Regarding the pleats, since the quilt is longer than 60" should I increase the length or width of the pleats as well?

That should get me going. Might have a question on the suspension when I get there.

Thanks

[rjcress]

My comments are inline below...

...I have couple questions before I get rolling.

1. Are the V notches cuts or pleats? I seem to remember reading that an overlapped pleat helped the IX have a small air pocket to maintain heat.
*Jeff: I've seen it done both ways. I did pleats to save time... but it adds a tiny bit of weight vs cutting

2. Since this is going to be 70" long, or 72" I am not sure yet, that extra chunk of IX needs to go in there somewhere. Should I alternate putting it on either end so there is not a seam in the same place? or would there be better to do one at each end and split the middle layer in half and insert it in the middle? Hope that makes sense
*Jeff: I don't think a seam is a problem, as long as you fit the UQ properly so that there isn't any weight-bearing tension on it. I vote for keeping this simple and just adding to one end... I'd say foot end.

3. Regarding the pleats, since the quilt is longer than 60" should I increase the length or width of the pleats as well?
*Jeff: It seems logical that making the pleats both longer and wider would make the UQ fit better... with will make it insulate better. :)

That should get me going. Might have a question on the suspension when I get there.

Thanks

[Spiffyguy]

Thanks for the response. Going to play with it a bit and see what I can't get together.

[golfpro1286]

Im at work and don't really have time to read through this entire thread, but it has me very intrigued! How low (temp wise) can you camp with these? And can anyone post some links where you can buy some IX? Thanks guys...

Adam

[raiffnuke]

DIYgearsupply.com (http://www.backwoodsdaydreamer.com/products-page/insulation-foam/) Great place to get supplies!

[golfpro1286]

DIYgearsupply.com (http://www.backwoodsdaydreamer.com/products-page/insulation-foam/) Great place to get supplies!

Thank you, not as expensive as I thought it would be, did some quick reading on insultex, looks like some great stuff, still wondering how cold you can go with it. If you use it and a 0* bag, can you make it into single digits? One more newb question, why would you not want to make a full length UQ? The only reasons that pop in my head are size and weight... or are there other reasons?

[Brute1100]

3 layers is generally 40* is what's generally expected some have gone lower... And adding a 4th layer would maybe get you down that low... But most people going single digits fess up the money for down, or DIY down...

[JasonByers]

I have material on the way but I have decided to buy a hammockgear 20* phoenix for the cooler months so now I'm rethinking my design so I don't have redundant quilts since I already have a good 40* quilt. I'm wanting this to be as light as possible and work from 50* and up. Will 2 layers get me there? What weight savings should I expect to get removing one layer? I'm also planning on shortening the quilt 10inches to around 50inches so do I need to shorten my darts? Also if I'm removing a layer which layer should I not make, top or bottom from the OP's design? Thank you.

[blaktee]

has anyone taken this same design and converted it into a top quilt? I was thinking if giving one whirl and maybe making the inner out if fleece or something nice and soft against your skin and maybe help on keeping you from getting clammy, what do you think?

[sclittlefield]

has anyone taken this same design and converted it into a top quilt? I was thinking if giving one whirl and maybe making the inner out if fleece or something nice and soft against your skin and maybe help on keeping you from getting clammy, what do you think?

Yup. It's been done. And not just by me. This one is a two layer, drawstring foot enclosure with velcro running up about 2 feet with a tie at the end to keep it together. I use it sometimes in the winter as an overcover for my 35deg bag and it gets me the extra boost I need for those really cold nights.

One thing to note is that IX is effectively a vapor barrier - it's not a true vapor barrier as it does breath a very tiny bit, but breathability is so limited that it should be used with vapor barrier considerations in mind. I only use it when it's really cold out because of that.

It does an amazing job of trapping heat in when used as a quilt overcover.

[willhang1]

I ordered my materials from Scott at DIYgearsupply. I will be starting this 3 layer design, hoping it will get me to 25 degrees or so for the fall archery season. This will be a interesting venture for sure. Waiting on the materials to arrive. Thank you all for your wisdom, and know that I would not be doing this without you. Thanks.

-Bill

[perrito]

I ordered my materials from Scott at DIYgearsupply. I will be starting this 3 layer design, hoping it will get me to 25 degrees or so ....
-Bill

Bill,
25° might be too much to ask. I intend to start mine soon too and will be leaving enough of one of the long sides unsewn to slip in another layer of IX if needed.
Good luck and please start a new thread with some pics and stuff.

How long will yours be?

[willhang1]

perrito,
I will be going with Scott's design. It will be 60" long. I think you are right 25 degrees might be asking too much. I have so much hair that bigfoot takes pictures of me! So living with a God given top quilt might help me. I will post pictures. Thanks again everone!

[Co-Forever]

This is all my DIY goodies! My hammock stand, hammock 1.9 oz material and 11ft long. I've just completed my IXUQ last week. 3 layers of IX and top and bottom has 1.1 oz ripstop. This thing keeps me really warm. It's been around 50 degree's at night. Have had no issues of staying warm so far. I will keep you posted when it gets cooler out and let you know what the lowest temp it will keep me comfy.

[akx]

Where are people buying IX?? All the sources I saw online are sold out (DIY GearSupply and TTTGear were all out).

Thanks!
akx

[Brute1100]

perrito,
I will be going with Scott's design. It will be 60" long. I think you are right 25 degrees might be asking too much. I have so much hair that bigfoot takes pictures of me! So living with a God given top quilt might help me. I will post pictures. Thanks again everone!

Nice to know I'm not the only one with an all natural top quilt...

[Coach]

Where are people buying IX?? All the sources I saw online are sold out (DIY GearSupply and TTTGear were all out).

Thanks!
akx

I've been looking for a few weeks also... I feel like the grasshopper who played all summer and now is left in the cold without a DIY UQ!

[Borday]

I gave up looking for IX, went with permaloft. we'll see how it works.

[sclittlefield]

Where are people buying IX?? All the sources I saw online are sold out (DIY GearSupply and TTTGear were all out).

Thanks!
akx


I've been looking for a few weeks also... I feel like the grasshopper who played all summer and now is left in the cold without a DIY UQ!

Hey guys, sorry we ran out. The new shipment is on a truck headed to Maine as I write this. Should be here Mon. or Tue. (10/15-16/12).

Enjoy all your gear projects!

- Scott

[Jimbo3b]

The new shipment is on a truck headed to Maine as I write this. Should be here Mon. or Tue. (10/15-16/12).

Enjoy all your gear projects!

- Scott

That's good news! We used pads in our double-layer hammocks for our Katy Trail (Missouri) bike ride last week, and got hit with a storm that dropped temperatures more than predicted. This is my next project...

[TeraHz]

Hi guys. First, thanks to Scott for the plans and materials!

I wanted to ask those of you who have had trouble staying warm with the IX tarp. I was out this weekend and the temperatures were in the mid-high 40s, but mu but and back were fairly cold (to the point that I had to put my thermarest seating pad under me). My IX UQ is the usual 3 layer, and I also have an extra 2 layer (using the same idea) add on, that is narrower, just to sit under me. I tried many combinations, but I kept getting cold.
So, what would you guys suggest I try to make it "fit" better, or insulate better? Or should I just go ahead and make a down UQ?

Thanks!

[Troop2011scoutmaster]

Hey guys, sorry we ran out. The new shipment is on a truck headed to Maine as I write this. Should be here Mon. or Tue. (10/15-16/12).

Enjoy all your gear projects!

- Scott

Any update on the IX?

Thanks
Mark

[Troop2011scoutmaster]

I just wanted everyone to know that Scott sent me an update on the IX material.

[sclittlefield]

Any update on the IX?

Thanks
Mark

Much delayed, but great news!!! The truck dropped it off today - it's just been added to the webstore.

Enjoy your gear building!

[Clockw3rk]

Thank you so much for your time! You took alot of guesswork out of this for me!

[fluffythecat87]

this was very helpful actually. thanks

[MissileMan]

I ordered parts for my first IX under quilt from Scott. (Thanks Scott!)

I discovered several things. Apparently it must have been my baking skills (biscuits) that led to a good grade in 7th grade home economics, because it was definitely not my sewing skills! :)

Yet, my quilt is well underway and I only had to rip out a few seams to redo a few bad errors. :rolleyes:

The end result is looking pretty good. I can't wait to finish and make a test setup...

Thanks!

[OrangePeel]

Has anyone out there done a 4 layer? Would that allow me to possibly get down to 30 with draft tubes?

Brandon

[Klaussinator]

Has anyone out there done a 4 layer?
Yupp, recently upgraded my 3-layer. Felt super warm in a cold garage, but haven't had it out for real yet . . .

-Klauss

[OrangePeel]

How much weight and bulk did it add?

Brandon

[Klaussinator]

Hold on- I lied to you... actually mine was originally two layers of IX + the outer layer (so I considered it three) Anyhow, I added two more IX layers so now it's four + outer layer.

IX adds almost no weight and very little bulk. When packing, I fold mine, then roll it up. Do need to weigh it sometime...

-Klauss

[OrangePeel]

Ahh... gotcha. Thanks for the reply, anyway. :)

Brandon

[OrangePeel]

I also meant to ask, would this work ok with an ENO DoubleNest?

Brandon

[JohnSawyer]

theIX UQ will fit any Eno or other brand of gathered end hammock...

[Co-Forever]

My wife has an ENO and the IXUQ fit very well without any air gaps.

[OrangePeel]

Awesome. Thanks!

Has anyone done a 4 layer? How much benefit would I see from it?

I'm really only hoping to go down to 30 with a good top layer... any lower than that, I may not be hiking... for now, anyway. :D

Brandon

[darkbyrd]

First I want to thank Scott for his awesome website. If I end up going down the DIY road, it will certainly start with the plans from his site.

So now my rookie questions.
I want to make the 3 layer IX UG. I'm a warm sleeper, so I'm pretty sure it will handle the temps I will be venturing out in to start. However, budget concerns limit the amount of gear I want to make or acquire. Will the 3 layer be too warm in the summer? Would I be better off making the second or third layers removable so I will be comfortable in the 35-70 range with one UQ?

[BigV]

The IX UQ was my first sewing project for hammocks. From the thread I've learned that down can be compressed into a smaller space but can also be warmer. But it's still pricey and DIY is much more work than the IX UQ. But those statements about IX are in comparison to down.

If down isn't an option because of price or skill, are there any other reasons to avoid IX? Since this thread started over 2 years ago, what's the overall experience for campers who are using IX? Are you still using it? More particularly, what are any reasons you had for abandoning your IX UQ?

Thanks for any feedback

[scum]

I am still happily using mine. I have learned that it is critical to have a perfect seal or its near useless. I highly recommend adding draft collars at the head and foot. I've also tweaked my suspension a few times to help with the seal. My latest suspension setup uses shockcord along the sides very much like the Knotty hammock Stretch side mod. I also have shock cord in my draft collars to help pull them into the hammock tight. The end result is a perfect seal. I can even go fetal position and it conforms and stays sealed.

I've had my UQ down to single digit temps and been OK (this was before my latest suspending trick so I expect to be a little more comfy next time). For cold camping, I now also bring a light / cheap truck windshield protector and lay that between the hammock and UQ. Works a treat. I just got back, from a campout last weekend where it was 24*F and I was warm.

As disclaimer, I do use 2 16oz hot water bottles and bundle up.

[zscott]

This is cool, I had seen the IX on DIY Gear Supply, at least I think it was them, but never saw this thread explaining more on how it can be used effectively. Thanks for the info.

[medicineman03]

The IX UQ was my first sewing project for hammocks. From the thread I've learned that down can be compressed into a smaller space but can also be warmer. But it's still pricey and DIY is much more work than the IX UQ. But those statements about IX are in comparison to down.

If down isn't an option because of price or skill, are there any other reasons to avoid IX? Since this thread started over 2 years ago, what's the overall experience for campers who are using IX? Are you still using it? More particularly, what are any reasons you had for abandoning your IX UQ?

Thanks for any feedback

I made a DIY IX UQ last fall. It has served me well on a couple cold nights. By cold I am speaking from a Georgia boy perspective, 20s-30s at the coldest.

I didn't make it by any particular design with the exception of using three layers. My outer shell is a Dri Ducks poncho rather than nylon. Its a bit thicker thus, I believe, a bit warmer. Also, it is breathable and water resistant.

The IX is a bit bulky and heavier than down but not 4 times as much, which is the price difference. Eventually I will make the sacrifice and make/or even purchase a down UQ, but in the mean time...I love my IXUQ, cause it's all I got.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2043&pictureid=16863
https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2043&pictureid=16862

[jjschaf]

I made two of these from the instructions and materials from DIYgearsupply. Came out to $50 per UQ. Great durable light piece of gear. ~14 oz.

[UncleClark]

I just finished up my IX underquilt today thanks to this thread.

I tested it out in my basement and I think I'm going to add the draft collars to the head and foot ends to help with the sealing. I followed the instructions and dimensions posted at the start of this thread. I"ll try to post some pics after I finished working this week.

One thing I did that simplified the sewing process was to first pin and sew just the three IX layers. After that then I pinned on the top and bottom ripstop layers and sewed those on. Trimmed things up a bit and then sewed on the grosgrain last.

My IX underquilt came in at 17 oz including shockcord and cordlocks. I folded it longways twice, then rolled it up and it looks like it packs down to about 6" dia x 12" long. In a sack it probably would pack down a little better than that.

I think it's going to be perfect for 3 seasons when my 20F down UQ is just too much.

[paddles]

This is my first post Cbamos and I just finished our under quilts. I made mine for a a ENO Double Nest. We ordered all our materials from DIY Gear. This was our first attempt at making a under quilt. We worked together to make them. I do not have a sewing machine he does. So Cbamos did all the sewing I cut the material and did all the pinning. Total time I think we spent about 12 hours working on both of them. Working as a team really got these done fast. The instruction and materials were top notch from DIY Gear. If you are thinking of making one I would recommend ordering from them. So here is a picture of me testing out my under quilt. Cbamos and I are planning soon to spend the night in a local state park while the nights are still cold to see how they work. Let me know what you all think.

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[PappyAmos]

Great lookin quilt but scrufty looking dude!

[UncleClark]

Here's some pics of my IX underquilt. Today I finished it up by adding two draft collars. The photos show a trial fit to my Hennessy Explorer hammock. I think I need to dial in the head end a bit but the foot end seems to seal up fairly well.

I'm 5" 11" and the foot end of the UQ lays under the middle of the calf of my legs on a diagonal lay. In the fetal position (I sleep this way a lot) I can get completely inside the UQ.

IX underquilt with 3 layers of Insultex
https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2723&pictureid=18744

Close up of head end showing draft collar and a grosgrain loop I added in case I need to do something at the middle of the head or foot ends.
https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2723&pictureid=18745

The rest show the head or foot ends in various sleeping postions.

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2723&pictureid=18746

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2723&pictureid=18748

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2723&pictureid=18747

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=2723&pictureid=18749

[PappyAmos]

As Paddles says above, we made ourselves IXUQs earlier this week. Paddles decided to have both a top and bottom layer of 1.1 ripstop. I made mine with only a bottom ripstop layer. Sorry, no pics - you've all seen IXUQs without a top cover before.

Mine fits (tight) into a JCP Puffer stuff sack after folding the long way in quarters and then rolling. Quilt, shock cord, cord locks and the stuff sack total 16 oz.

Decided to test the UQ out last night as it was predicted to be in the low 30s with a light NNW breeze. Note that I am normally a warm sleeper. Climbed into the hammock about 10:30 wearing heavy socks, fleece pants, Pategonia thermal shirt and a lite-weight snug-fitting fleece jacket plus the hood from my down jacket. Had a modified North Face 20 deg mummy (hood and zipper removed) as a top quilt. It was 41 deg. No hot water bottles or anything. My HH Hex tarp was set down to the ground on one side to block the light wind from the NNW. I was comfortable and almost too warm up top.

Slept til midnight and woke up with mild CBS. It was 37 deg. rolled on my side and got instantly colder. climbed out and adjusted the quilt to tighten the fit - still cold. I have two 3XLT JCP puffers sewn together at the waist but no other mods yet. I put the puffers on top of the IXUQ and climbed back in - toasty! Woke again at 5:30 AM - temp 33 deg - still toasty. Note: the tops of my feet were cooler than I like all night. I am changing the 12 x 20 CCF foot pad I was using to a 24 x 24 that can insulate my feet from the side of the hammock. I know that will help but am suspicious that my TQ has a cold spot in the foot.

I am mindful of an earlier post by someone that the IXUQ must be snug, but not too tight against the hammock with no air gaps at all to be warm. I suspect my suspension was not perfect and once I got cold, the puffers were needed for a warm up. I am considering adding draft collars and some Triangle Thingies to improve the fit.

Advice and comments appreciated.

cbamos

[dlm3]

I've been reading steadily about using IX for underquilt insulation. It seems to me that here in Texas it would be a good three-season UQ (including winter, rather than summer) and augmenting with a PLUQ for those rare times when it dips into the 30's.

After reading MacEntyre's posts on using PPEF, I'm wondering where you find the 1/32x60" stuff without buying a 2000' roll of it for $350+. I'm aware you can get IX from DIY gear, which might be a better answer for noob thread injector users like me. I'm thinking the PPEF might be less expensive, and very slightly lighter.

I figure I need about 5-6 yards to make a three-layer UQ, but haven't found anyone on the internet offering short lengths, other than the 12" variety used for wrapping plates for shipment, or the thicker stuff used for floor underlayment.

Any thoughts?

Another quick question: in UncleClark's post above - what material is used to fill the draft collars?

Thanks!

[petez]

Amazon sells this if you want it in narrower widths, like 24".

http://www.amazon.com/Aviditi-FWUPS18S24P-Polyethylene-UPSable-Perforated/dp/B00BT4P6Q4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1XKBGPROPTM35&coliid=I3P076RAAMBJ6C

What about checking with a UPS Store? They do on site packing and may have something you can use for lots less than a whole roll would cost.
Just an idea.
Also perhaps a local factory shipping department, or maybe when they unwrap furniture or appliances in retail stores.
Someone on here was offering smaller sheets that PC's came wrapped in.
You can tell that i am big into recycling. :D

Best ;)

[laziboie]

Some more great info, thanks!

[PappyAmos]

After getting cold my first night with my IXUQ I decided to do some more work it.
I sewed draft tubes for each end of the UQ from 1.1 RS. Filled them with leftover poly insulation scraps from a cheap sleeping bag. Seem to be plush and nice but the poly fill is heavy and not very compressible. Before adding the draft tubes the UQ, all its suspension goodies and the JCP Puffer bag it barley fit into weighed just 1 lb. Now the quilt weighs 20 oz. and is way too big to fit into the JCP stuff bag. The bottle in the pic is 25 oz.

Also made some Triangle Thingies to help hang the UQ more effectively. They are 12" each side. Made from some left over taffeta from another project. Can't these just be made from triangles of line and work just as well?
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[bigguy]

Has anyone made an IXUQ with just one layer?

[Apollyon]

My fabric should be coming in soon i can wait to try it out for my self!

[rjcress]

Has anyone made an IXUQ with just one layer?

IX works best when it has a small air gap between layers. Can't really get that with just one layer.
I suppose there could be a legit use for a single layer IX UQ, I'm just not sure what it would be.

[iRokk]

This is all so confusing. Guess I'll just be buying an UQ eventually when I can afford one!

[kikoraa]

I think I'm going to give this a whirl next week. What should my starting measurements be if my hammock size is 132"x58" wide?

Also tttgear doesn't seem to carry Ix anymore. Any ideas where to score some?

[namnat]

I think I'm going to give this a whirl next week. What should my starting measurements be if my hammock size is 132"x58" wide?

Also tttgear doesn't seem to carry Ix anymore. Any ideas where to score some?

DIY Gear Supply says they have some in stock

http://www.backwoodsdaydreamer.com/products-page/insulation-foam/

[kikoraa]

How much difference in temps with an army poncho liner take you over just a sheet of ripstop nylon as a shell? Is it a big difference?

[PappyAmos]

How much difference in temps with an army poncho liner take you over just a sheet of ripstop nylon as a shell? Is it a big difference?

One person's experience:

Recently setup my HH Explorer Deluxe. Cloudy, 68*, light wind. I was wearing light fleece jacket / pants and heavy socks. Expecting a low of 62*. With nothing underneath and a PLTQ my back was cool. Got up and rigged my single layer PLUQ - comfy. Woke up several house later - temp 61* - still good. Woke up a couple hours later - temp 55* - cold. Got up, removed the PLUQ, rigged my IXUQ - added fleece liner to the PLTQ - comfy. Several hours later - temp 49* - still comfy.

Previous experience tells me my IXUQ is good to a little under 40*.

What this tells me about me and my rig is that my PLUQ/PLTQ are good for summer nights where the low will be above 60*. If I even think it may be cooler, I should have my IXUQ and possibly a down vest/jacket to add to the PLTQ.

I should note that I had not eaten in hours before bed. Never underestimate the warming power a Snickers bar can offer:cool:

[SteelerNation]

I have a MMG Shamu that I've used for my gathered end hammocks in the warmer weather (down to 50*). Recently changed over to the WBRR, so am about to build an IX UQ for the warmer months using my Lynx down UQ as a pattern.

Anyone else tried this yet before I get too far into it?

Thx,

SN

[meckelangelo]

Thanks for sharing. The wife and I got pretty cold a couple weekends ago in just our fleece bags, so we decided to give this a whirl. We ordered from DIYGearSupply. I'm hoping to have everything within the next 1.5 weeks so that we can make and take our UQs on our first ever backpacking trip.

[Ghillieshot]

Sweet. Thanks Scott, just finished this off and it looks great. May post some pics. :D Thanks again.

Ghillieshot.

[aka.jobbe]

I'm for shure gunna try this, if i Can get the IX in europ.

Question.
How low temp vil this take mé?

[meckelangelo]

The wife and I made two of these this weekend for our backpacking trip next week. It took us roughly 7 hours to do two of them. Thank goodness she can operate a sewing machine!

http://i.imgur.com/JI59vJl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UaVtqUg.jpg

[natefoo]

Thanks Scott, you rock!

[Mjprohoroff]

Very cool, thx!

[darkbyrd]

I just finished making the third of these. Last one took 4 hours, including breaks. It made all the difference in the world for my porch setup on our cool summer evenings. Can't wait to test it out and see how low I can go padless!

[WalkintheWoods]

Just read the whole thread....fascinating. I am going to look for suppliers in Canada but if there isn't the price from DIY Gear Supply looks doable. Thanks to everyone that has offered input on this.

Cheers,

[ggreaves]

Just read the whole thread....fascinating. I am going to look for suppliers in Canada but if there isn't the price from DIY Gear Supply looks doable. Thanks to everyone that has offered input on this.

Cheers,

DIY Gear Supply is great. Their website doesn't support Canadian orders but just take a screen print of what your shopping cart is and email it to them. They'll quote you shipping and if you're ok with it send you a Paypal invoice. I got my Insultex and ripstop yesterday and spent the last 2 nights sewing. I went with a 6 foot long quilt. I think it turned out pretty well. I added "Triangle Thingies" from AHE. Thursday night's my first test hang with it.

[draco_1967]

I've been reading steadily about using IX for underquilt insulation. It seems to me that here in Texas it would be a good three-season UQ (including winter, rather than summer) and augmenting with a PLUQ for those rare times when it dips into the 30's.

After reading MacEntyre's posts on using PPEF, I'm wondering where you find the 1/32x60" stuff without buying a 2000' roll of it for $350+. I'm aware you can get IX from DIY gear, which might be a better answer for noob thread injector users like me. I'm thinking the PPEF might be less expensive, and very slightly lighter.

I figure I need about 5-6 yards to make a three-layer UQ, but haven't found anyone on the internet offering short lengths, other than the 12" variety used for wrapping plates for shipment, or the thicker stuff used for floor underlayment.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

I found a good FREE source for PPEF: mortuaries! Caskets come wrapped in a large, solid sheet of PPEF. They just throw that away, so asking them to save it for you might be a good way to get it. It is about the weight of the stuff in which new TVs are wrapped.

[e_2]

I thought I'd share...

http://i.imgur.com/pGZvcgX.jpg (http://imgur.com/pGZvcgX)

I thought that having something to completely cover head-to-foot would be nice. Now I need to take it out and try it.

[darkbyrd]

I thought I'd share...

http://i.imgur.com/pGZvcgX.jpg (http://imgur.com/pGZvcgX)

I thought that having something to completely cover head-to-foot would be nice. Now I need to take it out and try it.

Man, wish I had this when I did mine a few months back! Nice work!

[bigfanboy]

I thought I'd share...

http://i.imgur.com/pGZvcgX.jpg (http://imgur.com/pGZvcgX)

I thought that having something to completely cover head-to-foot would be nice. Now I need to take it out and try it.

So If I understand this correctly you sew the small side remnants to the last green piece making a longer layer, and pleat it like the rest?

[e_2]

So If I understand this correctly you sew the small side remnants to the last green piece making a longer layer, and pleat it like the rest?

Yup. I also only used 2 yards of 66" wide 1.1 ripstop. cut it down to 72"x48", used the remaining 72"x18" to extend that to almost 90"x48" as the outer layer. The last bit of ripstop (about 24"x18") went together with a scrap of silnylon for the stuffsack.

I'll toss up some pics in a little bit

EDIT: here ya go..

http://i.imgur.com/xoVKfUIl.png (http://imgur.com/xoVKfUI)
http://i.imgur.com/6bbrkhrl.png (http://imgur.com/6bbrkhr)
http://i.imgur.com/J4fldSTl.png (http://imgur.com/J4fldST)
http://i.imgur.com/cGkmUD8l.png (http://imgur.com/cGkmUD8)
http://i.imgur.com/pKsVOtgl.png (http://imgur.com/pKsVOtg)
http://i.imgur.com/n3eZaCWl.png (http://imgur.com/n3eZaCW)

[CrappyfishRman]

Just read every page! I am pumped to try this. Tonite I'm gonna finish my 1st diy hammock, and if my sewing skills are decent i think I'm gonna try a under quilt!

[e_2]

good luck.. remember to go slow and steady at first, use plenty of pins, and a set of black and white charcoal pencils work great for marking & measuring everything up.

[vanpelt]

My name is Stacey and I'm new to the forum (I joined after stumbling across this DIY project). I just wanted to share that I finished constructing my under quilt last night and I've got it all hung up to test tonight. I'm a Floridian, and the weather is supposed to be clear skies in the mid-40's. I'll post a follow-up tomorrow, but here's a photo of my finished product.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xaG5mdzI0LY/Uxo2ZVTqlnI/AAAAAAAAAkw/IBjsncET3iI/s1600/IMG_0378.JPG
This is the first piece of gear that I've made and even though it's a simple project, I'm really proud of it. :D
Apparently my dog is too.

[Otter1]

Welcome....Great quilt!...Great pup!!!

You should be proud - please report back with how it performs.

[CrappyfishRman]

I finally finished it, can feel the heat build up instantly!!! Can't wait to test it!! 82120

[JToon]

Thanks guys, everytime I am thinking about something. BOOM there it is. Just posted I couldn't attack something like this and now I feel I can. So glad I joined this forum. Subscribed so not to be lost forever.

[Jacko1066]

Iv just spent 2 days reading this thread!!!

Iv gotta say there is loads of brilliant info on here and it's inspired me to get the sewing machine out.

Just got a few questions, how big and what size should I make the draught tubes? I want one at the head and foot end.
When sewing the pleats. Do you do this after you have the outer layer on or before?
Does anyone no anywhere that ships innsultex to the uk?

I was originally looking into using climashield as the filling but I think this has changed my mind, unless anyone thinks climashield would be better? It's purely for summer use as I have a nice down quilt for cold weather.

Thanks everyone.

[MissileMan]

Hey Jacko. I pleated all of my materials before assembly (I used an upper and lower shell and three layers of IX).

The IX underquilt is good to near 40F in my estimation. It is almost too warm at 60F. I made a down UQ for lower temps, so you should figure out what low temps you will to face in summer when considering IX versus Climashield. Otherwise, the shipping question may dictate which you will use.

I did not really measure my tubes, but I think they may be about 2.5 inches in diameter more or less. I only put one at the head end and that seems to work fine.

[Swede2378]

Diygearsupply ships to europe, for IX. extremtextil.de is inside EU, may be cheaper, they have climashield 5.0 for 10 euros per linear meter. I have both types of UQ and I would recommend Climashield just because it is less bulky when you pack it, IX takes up a lot of room in the pack. The Clinashield was easier to work with as well. Good Luck!

[gmcttr]

I would also expect the climashield to breath better in warm weather.

[Jacko1066]

Diygearsupply ships to europe, for IX. extremtextil.de is inside EU, may be cheaper, they have climashield 5.0 for 10 euros per linear meter. I have both types of UQ and I would recommend Climashield just because it is less bulky when you pack it, IX takes up a lot of room in the pack. The Clinashield was easier to work with as well. Good Luck!

Brilliant thanks for the replys guys!!

For those of you that have made a climashield quilt. Did you do the same pleating idea that's used on IX to get the shape?

[e_2]

Brilliant thanks for the replys guys!!

For those of you that have made a climashield quilt. Did you do the same pleating idea that's used on IX to get the shape?

I offset the pleats by a couple/few inches... so none of the three layers of IX had pleats line up. This was to (in my mind) help with the curvature and with packing up the quilt. Also, the top layer had longer pleats, the middle had medium and the outer layer had shorter pleats... further enforcing the air-gap needed to let IX do its job. I sold it in January, but it easily went down to the low teens/upper single digits with just a good 0ºish F top quilt.

[Swede2378]

Pleats are unnecessary on a Climashield quilt. I made a thread about it with lots of good advice:

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?89142-Climashield-Darts

[Jacko1066]

Pleats are unnecessary on a Climashield quilt. I made a thread about it with lots of good advice:

Do you have a link please swede?

[Swede2378]

Edited last post with the link ;)

[Ragabash]

I must alternately curse and thank all of you here for my latest hobby. I got into hammock camping to save my back, but I sleep pretty cold. Finding this thread sent me on a quest. I have a Boy Scout camp out coming up this weekend (I'm an Assistant Scoutmaster), and the temp is supposed to be in the 30's. In a flurry of activity I made myself my IX UQ just in time. It has three layers of IX cut to the pattern specs. The top and bottom are ripstop, just because I can't stand the thought of unprotected insulation...it's a hindrance. There are huge draft collars on the foot and head ends that are stuffed with left over IX. I had to use bungee cord from the Kids' Craft section at Walmart since no place in town sells shock cord (have to order some!).

Here's what I ended up with.

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It weighs in at over 28 ounces. She's hefty, but not overly so. Some shock cord will help.

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I'll give a report after this weekend!

[Otter1]

Congratulations! I like the color choices, but I can't see the pics - they're too small

[Ragabash]

Hmm... Pictures too small eh? Let me try that again.

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The color choice was random. I had grey left over from a Walmart buy, and red was bought for a new DIY hammock. My first was...iffy.

[DiyGuy83]

HOLY COW, I have been trying to figure out, what is the stuff called you can get at the big box stores???

[Ragabash]

So, I spent the night in my hammock with only the IX UQ beneath me. A little disclaimer here, I'm a very cold sleeper. I had on a balaclava and winter hat, t-shirt, light sweater, and insulated shirt, long johns and cotton pants, two pairs of wool socks, and finger-less wool gloves. On top I had a fleece bag liner, and an old, heavy sleeping bag (partially zipped for a foot pocket). I didn't use a tarp because there was a 0% chance of rain and the sky was beautiful. There was literally nothing below me but my hammock and the new UQ.

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The first part of the night went fine. Cold, yes, but not miserably so. Temps bottomed out at 35 degrees F according to my little thermometer, but there was frozen left-over Tang the next morning, so make of that what you will. The UQ was obviously shifting to the left side of the hammock early on, but since my underneath was still covered, I didn't worry about it.

Then about 2:30 AM I woke up with an icy back and numb toes. I figured the UQ wasn't blocking drafts since I could feel the wind, as weak as it was, against my back. I cursed my poor draft tubes and tried to go back to sleep. Finally I got up and realized the UQ had slipped entirely to the left, so there really was nothing below me except the hammock. I couldn't get warm after that, so I just stayed up.

The whole incident cemented my desire to use only a bug net free hammock in the late fall/winter when bugs aren't a problem anyway, because the whole night I was thinking about how nice it would be to reach over the side and adjust the UQ. My Hennessy Explorer Deluxe wouldn't let me, though. I could only do so much through the bottom opening.

[shef]

I had the same problem with my own DIY netted hammock, so I installed four 'pack hooks'; two on each side, about a foot and a half down from the gathered end. I hook my under quilt suspension through them and it keeps it from doing exactly that.

[Ragabash]

I figured I would have to do something like that, but I want to try it out on my diy hammock first. Do you have pics of your UQ with hooks?

[gr8brew]

Go to Dutches sight there are videos on where to place them

[Ragabash]

Thanks gr8 brew!

[shef]

I'm afraid not shroud. But to clarify, I bar tacked the pack hooks (http://diygearsupply.com/product/pack-hook/) to the hem of my hammock, using some 3/4" reflective grosgrain (http://diygearsupply.com/product/gross-grain-reflect/).

[rjcress]

I must be getting old, as my DIY IX UQ seemed warmer to me a couple of years ago when i made it.
May be time to make a new one with more layers, or move to a different type of insulation. :(

[aloharover]

Here is a quick and easy pattern to build your own a 3-Layer Insultex Underquilt. ]

Thank you for the how-to and also for the materials. Everything arrived last night and I will get to sewing this weekend. Very excited.

[Arthos]

I hope to try this after i make a hammock for me and my kids.

[P-Dub]

Last time this thread was active = nearly 3 years ago...
Wondering if people have simply abandoned Insultex because more vendors are making synthetic UQs, or if there is some other reason no one talks about it anymore -- ??

Anyone still using their IX UQ? How's it holding up?

[Ragabash]

I'll bite. A DIY IX 3/4 length UQ was the first project I tried. I followed the directions with 3 layers of IX and an inner and outer layer of ripstop nylon.

I hated it. It wasn't warm enough and was bulkier and heavier than any down UQ that was comparable in temperature rating. So with that in mind, rather than spend all the time and effort making one, I would rather save up for a good down UQ from a good vendor. It languished for years in my basement after I got some decent quilts.

However...I recently went on a summer kayaking trip for the first time with a buddy who is a new hammocker. He was going to use a sleeping bag, and I offered him this extra UQ if he wanted to give it a whirl. He took me up on it, and thought it was great. We weren't limited by bulk or weight being an easy kayaking route, and the weather was fairly warm (for northern Michigan).

Since then, I have used it as a loaner for scouts interested in hammocking, assuming the weather was supposed to be nice. It has worked fine every time.

So the moral of the story is it doesn't COMPLETELY suck. It's a good non-backpacking summer UQ, and maybe I was disappointed because I expected it to be more.

[P-Dub]

Thanks for the report -- I don't often hike (more often canoeing) so weight is not as huge a consideration as for some. I'm allergic to down, so investing in downy goodness is off the table. I'm working on some synth UQs, and was reviewing threads, which is how I came to ask my question.

I'm wondering if it might be something to add to a light UQ as a booster in cool weather -- clip it in right below the hammock. Idle thoughts. Any other experiences people can report?