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GrizzlyAdams
12-16-2007, 09:44
Got home from my week of travels and got my rig up under a new JRB 11x10 tarp last night. Some night!

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/Picture3_476336.png

Temps just below 30 most of the night, but check out the wind speed!

Oh, and we had some snow.

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/peeking-out.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/front-side.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/back-side.jpg

But of course, I was snug inside my hammock sock

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/snug-inside.jpg

As FF has noted, you can't button up the tarp with a bridge hammock. What I did here was to put the hammock as far back as I could and still be covered on one end, and see what I could do with the doors on the other end.

I could swing the doors all the way back on that end, but I'd pitched the tarp wide so as to not have the spreader bars touching the sides ever. So closed doors don't add much coverage. I didn't set them all the way back then, rather, just closed in about 45 degrees from their straight orientation. The wind was moving around all night, but from some directions they did deflect it a little more than would have otherwise happened.

The tarp has 6 tie-outs on the 10' edges. I really liked having a center pair to help pull out the side.

The color is very nice too.

The tarp meets, even exceeds my expectations (I wasn't expecting so many tie-outs!)

But I need another solution to get more protection from nights like last night! (Although I was warm and protected in my sock, it still took a fair amount of blown in snow on the outside.)

Grizz

greggg3
12-16-2007, 10:26
Nice Grizz, love the color of that tarp. No one can beat that type weather documentation! Did the tie outs still look healthy after all that wind (I mean relative to sticking tearing out)?

I'm impressed with the picture inside your DIY bridge. It looks really wide compared to the JRB version, I know you said in other posts that yours was wider but I didn't really get the impact until I saw this pic, it looks really comfy - is this the one described in your article? How much does this version weigh?

Is the bridge your #1 (favorite) hammock, or which one would you take for an extended trip (1 week or greater)?

greggg3
12-16-2007, 10:27
uh...translate sticking to stitching, sorry

GrizzlyAdams
12-16-2007, 17:07
Nice Grizz, love the color of that tarp. No one can beat that type weather documentation! Did the tie outs still look healthy after all that wind (I mean relative to sticking tearing out)?

I'm impressed with the picture inside your DIY bridge. It looks really wide compared to the JRB version, I know you said in other posts that yours was wider but I didn't really get the impact until I saw this pic, it looks really comfy - is this the one described in your article? How much does this version weigh?

Is the bridge your #1 (favorite) hammock, or which one would you take for an extended trip (1 week or greater)?

Thanks. Tarp post-storm looks fine.

Total weight (excluding hammock sock) of inner and outer body, all the ropes and rings needed to hang, just a shade over 27 oz. It is very comfortable.

That said, if I were have to hit the trail for 2 weeks today for someplace in bug country, I might go with the Warbonnet Eldorado (provided I could get a version of WBG's UQ) instead. I think I can pack out a few ounces lighter, because the Warbonnet has a built-in bugnet. But I'm not done with this bridge thing yet, and am musing on a lightest weight version for the summer months.

but there really is nothing like the bridge for sleeping on the stomach.

Grizz

Cannibal
12-17-2007, 08:56
That said, if I were have to hit the trail for 2 weeks today for someplace in bug country, I might go with the Warbonnet Eldorado (provided I could get a version of WBG's UQ) instead. Grizz

The Warbonnet RULES! :cool:
That was my best neo impression. :D

I do like the way that tarp looks. Does it stay tight with all those tie-outs?

headchange4u
12-17-2007, 09:16
That a really nice looking tarp. It looks huge. I also really like the color. You bridge hammock looks incredibly roomy and comfy inside.

What did you use to take your weather info?

GrizzlyAdams
12-17-2007, 11:09
The Warbonnet RULES! :cool:
That was my best neo impression. :D

the :cool: clinched it. You're a natural, will be a big hit doing impressions at all the shelters on your way north.


I do like the way that tarp looks. Does it stay tight with all those tie-outs?

It has stayed tight through a couple of days of being pitched, including the night in the wind tunnel.


That a really nice looking tarp. It looks huge. I also really like the color.

The color is great, and the space beneath is great. All this for an advertised weight of 18 oz (I've not weighed it myself yet).



You bridge hammock looks incredibly roomy and comfy inside.

It is clear and away the most comfortable of the ones I've made to date. In the coming week or so I'll revamp my "Guide to Building a Bridge Hammock", re-titled (to distinguish it from TeeDee's magnus opus) "A Dummy's Guide to Building a Bridge Hammock", and basically lay out how to build this one.



What did you use to take your weather info?

The weather underground (http://www.wunderground.com/).
First pick your zipcode, then on the resulting page scroll down to the "Personal Weather Stations" and find one near you. Great weather site.

Grizz

Cannibal
12-17-2007, 11:18
the :cool: clinched it. You're a natural, will be a big hit doing impressions at all the shelters on your way north.

Wait till you see my Chris Farley; fat man in a little hammock.

Looking forward to the revamped guide. Pretty sure this will be my first post-hike project. Seeing Scott's up close really got me interested. The way you've opened your's up may have just sealed the deal. Nice job as always Grizz!

FanaticFringer
12-17-2007, 12:33
"A Dummy's Guide to Building a Bridge Hammock"
Now your talking.....1+2=6:p

greggg3
12-17-2007, 18:45
Yeah, I want a copy of "a dummy's guide..." too. Seriously Grizz, looking forward to seeing instructions for that hammock in your pictures. Nice work, I'd like to copy it dimension for dimension. Looks like a great winter project.

Perkolady
12-19-2007, 12:08
Nice job on the hammock, Grizz!
Thanks for the tarp photos and report. Nice color!
Looks like I know what I want for my birthday this coming year. :D

Perkolady

GrizzlyAdams
12-21-2007, 14:23
Slowhike and HC4U suggested using tie-outs. HANGnOUT reports having done that with his Cuban tarp. This morning I tried it with a MacCat Deluxe (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=41647&postcount=920). It was a bit tight and lacking in coverage.

But using tie-outs with the JRB tarp is a different story altogether. I pitched it so that the foot end was flush up against one end of the tarp, leaving the head end free to "close the doors".

We are living in style now!

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/jrb-tieout-1.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/jrb-tieout-2.jpg

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/jrb-tieout-3.jpg

Grizz

Cannibal
12-21-2007, 14:23
Dang! That thing looks like an airplane hanger.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

hangnout
12-21-2007, 14:55
Hotel Grizzly!

headchange4u
12-21-2007, 15:12
You using the Grip Clips?

GrizzlyAdams
12-21-2007, 15:19
You using the Grip Clips?

Yes. They seem to slide around less on the JRB tarp than the MacCat Deluxe. Cool gizmos, first time I've used them.

Grizz

slowhike
12-21-2007, 16:32
now that's looking like a nice, large place to hang the bridge!
i can see where you would be concerned w/ the open ends, but between the folded flaps like you have in the pictures & possibly an end cover or two, i'd say you'll be swinging in style!
looking good!

greggg3
12-21-2007, 18:23
Excellent Grizz (and nice footwarmer!)

The photos also make it easy to see what you mean by using triangular shaped end caps too. Why the seam in the middle of the endcap, is that a zipper there?

FanaticFringer
12-21-2007, 18:37
Looks good Grizz. Might have to try those clips on my tarp. Seems like this would be more of a warm weather no blowing rain tarp pitch. What's your opinion on that?

Hooch
12-21-2007, 18:39
Grizz, it looks like hanging in an airpane hangar. Wow.......cool. :D

FanaticFringer
12-21-2007, 19:03
Could call it a tarp shed.

GrizzlyAdams
12-21-2007, 19:34
Dang! That thing looks like an airplane hanger.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.


Grizz, it looks like hanging in an airpane hangar. Wow.......cool. :D


With a Bridge cut with a width of 52" inches (approximately), making it a B-52
(ok I can hear the groans from here.)


Hotel Grizzly!

you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave :eek:


now that's looking like a nice, large place to hang the bridge!
i can see where you would be concerned w/ the open ends, but between the folded flaps like you have in the pictures & possibly an end cover or two, i'd say you'll be swinging in style!
looking good!

More end cover will be nice. Hoping to put something together before the Mt. Rogers hang so I can be the most stylish one there ;)


Excellent Grizz (and nice footwarmer!)

The photos also make it easy to see what you mean by using triangular shaped end caps too. Why the seam in the middle of the endcap, is that a zipper there?

I made the end-cap from two scraps. The line you see is where the triangles come together. I'd hemmed the edges before thinking of using a flat-felled seam there, so instead I joined the edges by sewing them both to bias tape (which isn't doing any edging at all, it is just a convenient width).


Looks good Grizz. Might have to try those clips on my tarp. Seems like this would be more of a warm weather no blowing rain tarp pitch. What's your opinion on that?

If there was blowing rain from the open end I'd re-center the tarp. The hammock is 7' long, the ridgeline is 10' long. I use the method TeeDee recently re-described (I don't recall where it came from originally, maybe TeeDee from last summer) where the tarp is attached to a ridgeline by a couple of prussiks. Makes re-centering a matter of loosening lines, moving tarp, re-tightening lines or re-staking.

But as it is shown I've got good coverage on 3 sides. So to mess with the tarp the rain would have to be coming from the un-anticipated (or un-planned for) direction.


Could call it a tarp shed.

A hammock shack maybe? The Jacks could get a side line going on this as a shed for lawn mowers.

Grizz

TiredFeet
12-22-2007, 20:42
..........
If there was blowing rain from the open end I'd re-center the tarp. The hammock is 7' long, the ridgeline is 10' long. ......

Grizz

Grizz - trying to understand what you have here.

The ridge line is 10' - that must be the tarp ridge line of the JRB 11'x10' tarp.

what is the distance from the top of one suspension triangle to the top of the opposite triangle? Looking at the picture, if the tarp is 10', it looks like the distance from triangle top to triangle top must be at least 15' or more. Reading TeeDee's articles - I figure from his directions that his hammock ridge line is about 10'. Yours looks like it would have to be much longer if you had one.

Could you shorten and keep the triangles within the tarp?

That looks to be one huge distance from triangle end to triangle end. What is the minimum tree separation you could use to hang.

Also, it looks like you are hanging pretty high on the trees. How high do you have to hang on those trees and how far apart are they?

Trying to get an idea of the sizes involved here.

Also, are you using the grip clips on the bottom of the tarp? Looking at the JRB site, it doesn't look like they have tie outs at the bottom positions you are using for tie outs.

Thanks.

GrizzlyAdams
12-22-2007, 23:00
Grizz - trying to understand what you have here.

The ridge line is 10' - that must be the tarp ridge line of the JRB 11'x10' tarp.

You can hang this tarp either with an 11' length and 10' width,
or 10' length and 11' width. The sewn ridgeline is 11', as you'd expect
(because rolls of fabric tend to be closer to 5' wide than 5.5' wide). There are a number of tie-out lines along the 11' long edges.



what is the distance from the top of one suspension triangle to the top of the opposite triangle?

Have to approximate using some trig here, because the rig is down right now. Lemme see....

OK, just under 13.5' . You can work it out for yourself knowing that my rings are spread 36" apart, that the length of one side of a suspension triangle is 48", and typically the angle of ascent of the suspension triangle is about 30 degrees.



Looking at the picture, if the tarp is 10', it looks like the distance from triangle top to triangle top must be at least 15' or more.

Considering that you're look at pictures, that's not a bad guess, within about 10% error.



Reading TeeDee's articles - I figure from his directions that his hammock ridge line is about 10'. Yours looks like it would have to be much longer if you had one.


I'd be surprised if his was only 10'. You'll see why in a minute.

later edit: did what I should have done the first time...went back and looked at TeeDees article. Yep. 10' is the longest ridgeline length he describes... you'll see why in a minute.




Could you shorten and keep the triangles within the tarp?



So this is all about compression force on the spreader bar. My hammock is 7' long. To fit under a 10' ridgeline means the horizontal distance from spreader bar to apex of the suspension triangle is 18 inches. At a 30 degree angle that means a height of the suspension triangle is 20.8 inches. With a 36" spreader bar that makes the cotangent of the base angle 18/20.8 = 0.86. With the suspension lengths I have the cotangent is 18/44.5 = 0.4. So, all other things being equal, shrinking the suspension triangle "to fit" more than doubles the compression.

For another set of poles that might be fine. It might be fine with my poles. I've got funky handles though on them; frankly I continue to baby them.

TeeDee spreads his hammock out 39", and it is also 7' long I think. With a 10' ridgeline he'd have to have a suspension side length of 28.5". Pretty sure he used to run to 36" or more.

later edit: his article says 27.5" length for the side of the suspension triangle. He recommends a spreader bar no longer than 0.75 of the width of the fabric under the spreader, which for the hammock dimensions he gives is about 42". Spread out that wide, with a 27.5" suspension side, gives the cotangent of the base angle to be 1.18, so the compression force on the pole is just under x3 more than what I've pictured.





That looks to be one huge distance from triangle end to triangle end. What is the minimum tree separation you could use to hang.
Also, it looks like you are hanging pretty high on the trees. How high do you have to hang on those trees and how far apart are they?


With a bit of trickery to get a biner (on the webbing) up flush to the tree, the minimum distance is about 14'. The trees you see in the pictures are 21 or 22 feet apart. I typically attach the webbing about chin level on me, so that's about 5.5 feet up.


Trying to get an idea of the sizes involved here.

Also, are you using the grip clips on the bottom of the tarp? Looking at the JRB site, it doesn't look like they have tie outs at the bottom positions you are using for tie outs.

Thanks.

yep, grip clips. cool little do-dads.

later edit : in light of paying attention to these dimensions, perhaps I'll try tightening up the suspension triangle...using a different set of poles first!


Grizz

TiredFeet
12-23-2007, 11:20
Grizz - thanks - still trying to get a handle on this.

My girlfriend has told me that she'll go backpacking or camping with me, but ONLY if she sleeps in a hammock. Smart woman.

She has decided on the bridge without even ever trying a hammock. As I said, Smart Woman, and so I'll be smart once and follow her instincts.

We'll learn together how to make one, then two. :D Since we're starting from scratch for her, we'll follow TeeDee and use the same poles and it'll just be simpler to have 2 setups the same.

TiredFeet
12-23-2007, 11:50
.......
later edit: his article says 27.5" length for the side of the suspension triangle. He recommends a spreader bar no longer than 0.75 of the width of the fabric under the spreader, which for the hammock dimensions he gives is about 42". Spread out that wide, with a 27.5" suspension side, gives the cotangent of the base angle to be 1.18, so the compression force on the pole is just under x3 more than what I've pictured.
......
Grizz

That brings your compression forces down a lot. His sample output lists his compression force at 144 lbs, which, if I understand your "x3" means yours is about 144/3 or about 48 lbs. Seems like you could use almost anything for a spreader bar with compression forces like that. :D

GrizzlyAdams
12-23-2007, 15:48
That brings your compression forces down a lot. His sample output lists his compression force at 144 lbs, which, if I understand your "x3" means yours is about 144/3 or about 48 lbs. Seems like you could use almost anything for a spreader bar with compression forces like that. :D

My forces run closer to 60 or lbs, but I'm heavier than TeeDee. I imagine that's the cause of the difference.

It's real easy though to hit forces that are a factor of 2 larger than these, just by sitting at one end. Or by having too shallow an angle on the suspension line (I snapped a 1200 lb rated 2.8mm Spyderline, in the field, by not paying attention to angles. Had spare cord (learned that lesson already), learned to pay attention also.)

I've heard that Walmart sells cheap hiking poles. If that's true I'll pick up a pair and try out a much reduced suspension triangle using them. I'd like to get the suspension within the tarp!

Finally, 50 lbs can bend a PVC spreader lot if the forces aren't centered! Been there, done that, and escaped with my life, just.

Grizz

slowhike
12-23-2007, 16:13
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I've heard that Walmart sells cheap hiking poles. If that's true I'll pick up a pair and try out a much reduced suspension triangle using them. I'd like to get the suspension within the tarp!
Grizz

i used a set of the poles from wal-mart (about $10 each) for a while.
one note of caution... a weakness in the cheap poles is in the tightening device.
they tend to slide under much pressure. so they may not answer your questions on the bridge.

TiredFeet
12-23-2007, 16:22
....

I've heard that Walmart sells cheap hiking poles. If that's true I'll pick up a pair and try out a much reduced suspension triangle using them. I'd like to get the suspension within the tarp!....

Grizz

Yes, thats my aim. With a 10' ridge line, it will make using a tarp a lot easier.

I've got my eye on those Kelty Noah 12. they are supposed to be 12'x12'. All the pictures show them used as diamond. I want to try in an A pitch. If it works in an A pitch, that would make it plenty big enough for a bridge with a 10' ridge line. I could even sew on some extra tie outs and pull the corners back in to sort of close off the ends.

Ordered 4 of those Gossamer Gear 3/8" pads, will cut them down and use with the poncho liners I have.

Still learning.

turk
12-23-2007, 17:27
Looking great Grizz. That is an ideal setup for 2 side-by side hammocks.
You don't have the door issues that you get with full closing ends.

Also the dimensions look perfect for putting an addition on my JRB penthouse.
I have been thinking about a tarp this size to add an unheated guest house,
or dining room off the end.

GrizzlyAdams
12-23-2007, 18:04
i used a set of the poles from wal-mart (about $10 each) for a while.
one note of caution... a weakness in the cheap poles is in the tightening device.
they tend to slide under much pressure. so they may not answer your questions on the bridge.

Hit WM this afternoon. Good news is that from the $1 bin I picked up 15 yards of a smooth nylon (possibly polyester) fabric in brown, 1.7 oz / yd if indeed I got 15 linear yards of it. I think its the same material I used for bridge v0.0 but in a different color. I got some needle hole stretching in v0.0, don't know if that was my bad sewing or weaker fabric. My plan for this stuff is to try a double bottomed hammock.

Bad news is that I checked out the hiking poles. You can't separate the sections to slip in supporting dowel rods. Those rods are necessary to keep from relying on the tightening mechanism to keep the pole extended. I don't think it matters what they are so much as it matters that we can pop open the pole to stick in dowel rods that really do the job.

So my sons have poles...I can try those, and if I snap one, well, happy birthday son, you've got new hiking poles...

from the shopping frenzy front,
Grizz

slowhike
12-23-2007, 18:45
So my sons have poles...I can try those, and if I snap one, well, happy birthday son, you've got new hiking poles...
from the shopping frenzy front,
Grizz

there ya go... all in the name of science:D

GrizzlyAdams
12-24-2007, 17:20
So with not a little trepidation I made my ridgeline 10' long, and correspondingly made the sides of my suspension triangles 27.5" long (against a 36" spread, assuming a 30 degree angle of ascent). On the way to this I tinkered unsuccessfully with my son's hiking poles to take the brunt of the compression, but that's a story given in the bridge hammock thread. I ended up using my own poles.

With the earlier set ups I was unhappy with the need for really long tie-outs from the grip clips to the ground, in order to pull the side out flat enough. Today I tried two alternative solutions for this issue. One was to find sticks more or less the height of the grip-clips, and wedge these under the tie-out lines. The effect is to make the pull on the tie-out much more horizontal, which is desired. In fact you don't need really long tie-outs anymore, just ones long enough to go horizontally a foot or two from the grip-clip, and then descend to the ground.

The other idea was borrowed from a posting by T-Back I saw referenced the other day on that thread which recalled the WhiteBlaze discussion from whose loins HF was spawned. That's to use a tent pole to do the main separation work. I have a couple of Henry Shire's tarptents, and so grabbed the lightweight poles from one of those. I threaded a pole through the ridgeline tie-out, and then attached to the cord on the grip clip. Looks to work pretty well. The smaller pole is sized perfectly for the job. The footprint of the tarp is now much smaller. I may sew up a channel, attach that to the tarp (bye bye warranty!) so that the pole attaches to the tarp like it would in a tent. This would create domed effect. I could control how out I wanted the the spread by the way I stake out the bottom.

Pictures? Of course I have pictures.

Here's proof that I got all the suspension within 10' and inside the tarp:

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/ten-foot-ridgeline.jpg

With the rounded shape from the tent poles, the tarp looks like a hammock hogan :)

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/hammock-hogan.jpg

On to beaks and such.

Grizz

Cannibal
12-24-2007, 17:24
Grizz I sure hope whatever you do for a living makes use of all those creative juices that seem to surge through you! This thing just keeps getting cooler. :cool:

GrizzlyAdams
12-24-2007, 19:59
Thanks Cannibal. I think of creative juices flowing through artists, not me. I'm a problem solver, more of an engineer. I think that's why guys like TeeDee and me are attracted to the bridge hammock, lots of engineering to do, lots of problems to take on.

Oh, and while I really dislike the meetings part of my job, I do get to solve problems and so its mostly cool.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Grizz

slowhike
12-24-2007, 21:10
looking good grizz.
BTW... i like the style of the houses in your neighbourhood. i'm thinking yours was a blue one i saw in an earlier picture.
but it must not be a historical area... other wise they might not like your modern hammock work in the yard:eek:

GrizzlyAdams
12-24-2007, 21:51
looking good grizz.
BTW... i like the style of the houses in your neighbourhood. i'm thinking yours was a blue one i saw in an earlier picture.
but it must not be a historical area... other wise they might not like your modern hammock work in the yard:eek:

well there are moves afoot to make it into a historical district. You better believe I'm checking out the fine print on that resolution!

Actually the hammock is shielded from view on 2 sides by hedges. I'm sticking to low visual impact, and as you drive up the street towards our place it does not jump out in view.

Having said that, my neighbors do think I'm nuts. As does my family. My colleagues at work don't know mostly about what I do with hammocks; if they did they'd think I'm nuts too. For that matter, my psychiatrist thinks I'm nuts, so there's pretty much a consensus thing going on. :)

In the spring I think I'm going to drop a pair of poles in the back yard that mostly serve to support clothesline, but have dual use as hammock trees. That will be shielded from view most places (except the foreign students who populate the large apartment complex right next door to us and those in floors 3 and 4 can peer right over the separating wall. They must think I'm nuts too.) I've got the stand but it takes time to set up and take down, and isn't really a good testing ground for anything but new insulation.

Grizz

slowhike
12-24-2007, 22:00
Having said that, my neighbors do think I'm nuts. As does my family. My colleagues at work don't know mostly about what I do with hammocks; if they did they'd think I'm nuts too. For that matter, my psychiatrist thinks I'm nuts, so there's pretty much a consensus thing going on. :)
Grizz

if you need someone to vouch for you, just send them here:eek: :D :p
the foreign students may be the only ones that understand:)

ZDP-189
01-08-2008, 02:20
We are living in style now!

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/jrb-tieout-1.jpg

That looks so comfortable.

Mule
01-08-2008, 07:51
So with not a little trepidation I made my ridgeline 10' long, and correspondingly made the sides of my suspension triangles 27.5" long (against a 36" spread, assuming a 30 degree angle of ascent). On the way to this I tinkered unsuccessfully with my son's hiking poles to take the brunt of the compression, but that's a story given in the bridge hammock thread. I ended up using my own poles.

With the earlier set ups I was unhappy with the need for really long tie-outs from the grip clips to the ground, in order to pull the side out flat enough. Today I tried two alternative solutions for this issue. One was to find sticks more or less the height of the grip-clips, and wedge these under the tie-out lines. The effect is to make the pull on the tie-out much more horizontal, which is desired. In fact you don't need really long tie-outs anymore, just ones long enough to go horizontally a foot or two from the grip-clip, and then descend to the ground.

The other idea was borrowed from a posting by T-Back I saw referenced the other day on that thread which recalled the WhiteBlaze discussion from whose loins HF was spawned. That's to use a tent pole to do the main separation work. I have a couple of Henry Shire's tarptents, and so grabbed the lightweight poles from one of those. I threaded a pole through the ridgeline tie-out, and then attached to the cord on the grip clip. Looks to work pretty well. The smaller pole is sized perfectly for the job. The footprint of the tarp is now much smaller. I may sew up a channel, attach that to the tarp (bye bye warranty!) so that the pole attaches to the tarp like it would in a tent. This would create domed effect. I could control how out I wanted the the spread by the way I stake out the bottom.

Pictures? Of course I have pictures.

Here's proof that I got all the suspension within 10' and inside the tarp:

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/ten-foot-ridgeline.jpg

With the rounded shape from the tent poles, the tarp looks like a hammock hogan :)

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/4/2/3/hammock-hogan.jpg

On to beaks and such.

Grizz
Grizz, I know you have probably thought of this already, but if you would attach some of those loops/tunnels or hooks like Sierra Designs uses and slip the poles through the tunnels or hang the tarp from the hooks, it would make a domed or cylindrical shape on top. That would handle wind better as the wind would be able to somewhat vortex over the top similar to a true dome. Your stuff looks very nice and I can see how much fun you are having. Mule

GrizzlyAdams
01-08-2008, 08:14
Grizz, I know you have probably thought of this already, but if you would attach some of those loops/tunnels or hooks like Sierra Designs uses and slip the poles through the tunnels or hang the tarp from the hooks, it would make a domed or cylindrical shape on top. That would handle wind better as the wind would be able to somewhat vortex over the top similar to a true dome. Your stuff looks very nice and I can see how much fun you are having. Mule

Hey Mule--
How was the Hoosier National Forest last weekend? I was really tempted to try and connect with your party but couldn't swing it. We should call an HF hang down there sometime soon...there are a number of HF people within 3 hour drive of there.

On your idea, you're right, I did think of it, and did it as well. Here's the thread. (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2785)

This forum is so busy it is easy to miss things, particularly if you're away from it for a while. When I started on HF I would try to read everything, but these days I rely an awful lot on the title of the thread to determine whether I'll look.

Grizz