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OK, so the only thing i've done to my HH hammock so far is to put straps on instead of the ropes...that's it! So what the heck happened!?!?!?! i sat down in my hammock and WAMMIE! MY RIDGELINE SNAPPED! and not only that, since there was no weight supported by the ridgeline, the no-see-um net ripped because of the pressure!!!!
would this changing of the main support ropes make the difference? i slept with the new support lines for a couple of nights now and everything was fine....why did my ridge line just snap!?
What am i to do!?!?! i doubt HH will take it back because i modified the main support lines....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
OK, so the only thing i've done to my HH hammock so far is to put straps on instead of the ropes...that's it! So what the heck happened!?!?!?! i sat down in my hammock and WAMMIE! MY RIDGELINE SNAPPED! and not only that, since there was no weight supported by the ridgeline, the no-see-um net ripped because of the pressure!!!!
would this changing of the main support ropes make the difference? i slept with the new support lines for a couple of nights now and everything was fine....why did my ridge line just snap!?
What am i to do!?!?! i doubt HH will take it back because i modified the main support lines....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!Way to go, Mr. Bill. Call or e-mail Tom Hennessy and let him know what happened. He'll probably send you a new hammock.
GrizzlyAdams
05-05-2008, 23:06
OK, so the only thing i've done to my HH hammock so far is to put straps on instead of the ropes...that's it! So what the heck happened!?!?!?! i sat down in my hammock and WAMMIE! MY RIDGELINE SNAPPED! and not only that, since there was no weight supported by the ridgeline, the no-see-um net ripped because of the pressure!!!!
would this changing of the main support ropes make the difference? i slept with the new support lines for a couple of nights now and everything was fine....why did my ridge line just snap!?
What am i to do!?!?! i doubt HH will take it back because i modified the main support lines....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
That's a shame, to be sure.
When you use suspension lines or straps other than the stock ones, normally HF folks are also putting in rings or cinch buckles or trucker's hitches...things that all make it easier to significantly increase the tension on the suspension line if you tighten it up hard. That's tension that is carried to the ridgeline also. There's a formula for this, if you really want to know.... My guess would be that you did that, and when you added your weight to the hammock the increased force took the ridgeline out.
Hard lesson to learn, but the lesson is to avoid a tight suspension. You can get the ridgeline to do what it's supposed by adjusting the height of where you put your tree huggers. Geometrically, the angle from the ridgeline to the tree has to be flatter than the angle of the hammock to the ridgeline. To get the ridgeline "taut" you need to adjust the angle from the ridgeline to the tree. Cranking up the tension pulls the ridgeline up to make that true, and increases the force contained in the system. Lowering the tree huggers (and taking in the slack) gets you to the same place, but without the temptation of adding so much tension.
Do get in touch with Anne at Hennessey. They've been very good to lots of people here.
Grizz
thanks guys! i will definetally try to get in touch with hennessy...though on their website the email is gone...
i just feel back contacting them because i had a problem with my rain tarp (the plastic o ring snapped) and they sent me a brand new one for free (like just a week ago). i feel like i'm really being hard on them!
as far as tensioning the hammock and such i have been really careful to not over tighten like you have been talking about. I don't beleive that i have been over tightening at all (in fact, alot of times my ridge line is quite lose, sometimes even saggy) so i don't think that that was the problem...i just don't know i guess...does anyone ahve HH email? (i think my school laptop is messing up their site and i can't get the email address)
thanks guys! i will definetally try to get in touch with hennessy...though on their website the email is gone...
i just feel back contacting them because i had a problem with my rain tarp (the plastic o ring snapped) and they sent me a brand new one for free (like just a week ago). i feel like i'm really being hard on them!
as far as tensioning the hammock and such i have been really careful to not over tighten like you have been talking about. I don't beleive that i have been over tightening at all (in fact, alot of times my ridge line is quite lose, sometimes even saggy) so i don't think that that was the problem...i just don't know i guess...does anyone ahve HH email? (i think my school laptop is messing up their site and i can't get the email address)
[email protected] or just click on the "Contact Us" link on the right hand side of the page.
well i know how to get to the email! it's just that i'm on my high school laptop so they block all non school related email addresses and such! thanks though!
Youngblood
05-06-2008, 07:19
Cranking up the tension pulls the ridgeline up to make that true, and increases the force contained in the system. Lowering the tree huggers (and taking in the slack) gets you to the same place, but without the temptation of adding so much tension.
Grizz, I'm not sure you said what you meant to say there. Let me try to rephrase it: You want to attach higher on the trees and put initial slack, or sag, in the hammock suspension lines rather than attaching lower and pulling the hammock suspension lines tight.
For different hammock setups, how high you attach to the trees for various spans between supports vary. I think for most of the smaller Hennessy hammocks and hammocks without ridgelines, that attaching shoulder high for 12 foot spans, head high for 15 foot spans, and as high as you can reach for 18 foot spans (and longer) is a good place to start. For the larger Hennessy hammocks with ridgelines, you will want to raise them another 6 to 12 inches (where you can), depending on which model it is, as Hennessy sets those up with larger sag angles.
Another thing that might have happened was that heescha accidentally sat on the ridgeline. I have heard of that happening and breaking the ridgeline.
CajunHiker
05-06-2008, 08:11
I don't understand how the netting ripped.
GrizzlyAdams
05-06-2008, 08:32
Grizz, I'm not sure you said what you meant to say there. Let me try to rephrase it: You want to attach higher on the trees and put initial slack, or sag, in the hammock suspension lines rather than attaching lower and pulling the hammock suspension lines tight.
What you said is true. I think what I said is also true. Lemme try again.
For the ridgeline to give a minimal sag it is necessary for the angle of the hammock meeting the ridgeline to be larger than the angle. One can see that in your diagram (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=47793&postcount=14).
If you had a setup with a ridgeline under tension already, then moving the huggers lower would indeed increase the tension, which is not what we want here. What I was trying to address is the situation where the ridgline is not under tension. You can put it under tension by tightening up the suspension line, lifting the hammock and ridgeline, and eventually getting the ridgeline under tension (and the ridgeline-to-tree angle smaller. Might also need a step ladder to get into the hammock. So the business about lowering the tree huggers given that the ridgeline is not under tension is trying to keep the hammock at the level where it is, but bring the ridgeline to a tension where it is doing what it is supposed to do.
All that said, I do use a ridgeline, but mostly just so that I can quickly find the level of tree huggers for the given distance between trees that puts the hammock where I want it. Once I find this spot I stop increasing the tension, and indeed once I get into the hammock the ridgeline tends to droop a little (particular after I hang a pair of hiking shoes over it!)
Grizz
> You want to attach higher on the trees and put initial slack, or sag, in the
> hammock suspension lines rather than attaching lower and pulling the
> hammock suspension lines tight.
Yes! That's why I don't bother replacing my suspension with something designed to let you tighten the suspension so it hums. Nice, saggy suspension "tightens" when you get into the hammock. The ridgeline, if you have one (I like 'em, it's where I hang my glasses, headlight and book when I go to sleep), just maintains a particular bit of sag.
Youngblood
05-06-2008, 09:20
Grizz, I'm not following all that. I have no doubt you understand it.
I look at the ridgeline as a limiter. It limits the 'minimum sag angle' of the hammock as long as the sag angle of the hammock suspension lines are less than what the ridgeline sets the hammock sag angle to.
The more the ridgeline is doing its 'limiting thing', the lower you can tie the suspension lines on the supports to get the hammock to end up at the same height above the ground. You put more force on the hammock suspension lines (and the ridgeline) the more the ridgeline does its 'limiting thing' as well.
From that, I conclude that you don’t get something for nothing when you use a structural ridgeline. One way to look at it is that you are lowering how high you attach your hammock on the supports by applying brute force tensioning on the suspension lines. Another way to look at that is that you are applying brute force to raise your hammock rather than just tying it higher on the supports.
GrizzlyAdams
05-06-2008, 09:32
Grizz, I'm not following all that....
and to think that I teach for a living :(
oh well. Everyone--just look at Youngblood's diagram. Everything you need to know is implied by it.
Grizz
Ramblinrev
05-06-2008, 10:12
Ok... now you have confused the newbie. I understand the theory. I understand the practice. But why then does the HH stuff sack say to tie the suspension lines tight? Or is tight so relative that it has essentially no set meaning? Or is that just tight enough that the straps don't slide down the tree?
BTW confused is a common condition for me to exist in.
GrizzlyAdams
05-06-2008, 11:02
now you have confused the newbie. I understand the theory. I understand the practice. But why then does the HH stuff sack say to tie the suspension lines tight? Or is tight so relative that it has essentially no set meaning? Or is that just tight enough that the straps don't slide down the tree?
BTW confused is a common condition for me to exist in.my guess--to keep the ridgeline taut when the hammock is occupied, because it is needed to hold up the bugnet. I was using an HH last summer but wasn't cranking up the tension enough to do that. I twisted a contact lens cap around it to take up the slack... (see here (http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=1059&catid=member&imageuser=423).)
Grizz
sk8rs_dad
05-06-2008, 11:31
Ok... now you have confused the newbie. I understand the theory. I understand the practice. But why then does the HH stuff sack say to tie the suspension lines tight? Or is tight so relative that it has essentially no set meaning? Or is that just tight enough that the straps don't slide down the tree?
If you are using the stock tree-huggers and the recommended figure-eight lashing, then there is a limit to how much tension the average person can get on the suspension while managing to tie the knot.
As as has been pointed out, modifying the suspension system can dramatically change the mechanical advantage; and hence, the force you can apply to the ridge line. A standard truckers hitch provides a 3-to-1 mechanical advantage. Other techniques reduce the friction losses or do a better job of retaining the maximum force applied during tightening.
billslade
05-06-2008, 11:57
thanks guys! i will definetally try to get in touch with hennessy...though on their website the email is gone...
...does anyone ahve HH email? (i think my school laptop is messing up their site and i can't get the email address)
The e-mail address I used to contact them is
hennessyhammock [AT] gulfislands [DOT] com
Good luck getting it fixed!
well, i contacted HH and they will be replacing it...i have been hanging it right according to what you guys have been saying, though it was confusing to read!
Way to go, Mr. Bill. Call or e-mail Tom Hennessy and let him know what happened. He'll probably send you a new hammock.
well, i contacted HH and they will be replacing it...i have been hanging it right according to what you guys have been saying, though it was confusing to read!I told you so. :D
Summary?
from the diagram it looks like.
Long tree distance plus larger angle (ridgeline up to tree) exerts more pressure on ridgeline than straight to tree once the weight is in with sag etc?
cinch buckles, etc with mechanical advantage can set up more stress on ridgeline to start with.
so dont torque it down.
if the hammock is relatively level to tree, and not too tight, once we get in, the sag should not impose bad things. for longer distances, some increase in height on tree is required.
Have I got it backward? sorry too long since Geometry, physics, English class
I guess I don't think too much about it, if it looks about right, get in, just started using cinch buckles tho, so I can see where more stress can be applied than the lashings
thanks
Youngblood
05-06-2008, 13:24
Long tree distance plus larger angle (ridgeline up to tree) exerts more pressure on ridgeline than straight to tree once the weight is in with sag etc?
The tree distance, or span, doesn't directly cause more pressure on the ridgeline. It is smaller angles (ridgeline up to tree) that exerts more pressure.
When the suspension lines are pulled tight such that there is a near zero angle from the ridgeline up to the tree, the pressure on the suspension lines and the ridgeline approaches infinity when weight is initially applied to the hammock. That is why it will always stretch, or in the worse case break, when you start from there. It doesn't take very much stretch to relieve that condition or to cause a lot of drop in the hammock when you start from there.
I have dealt with this off and on in one way or another since 2002, when I used a Hennessy Hammock and pulled it tight, sat in it to get it to stretch, and then got out and retightened; repeating as necessary until the hammock ended up at the desired height. Those were the initial instructions, to tie off chest high regardless of the span and tighten, stretch, retighten, stretch, and repeat as necessary. As more people used them and exchanged info on the Internet, we questioned things, looked into what was going on, and learned to do it differently.
For any hammock, you want to center it, level it (or put the slope YOU desire in it), and get it at the height you desire. To do that you need to know how high to attach it for the particular span you are using, how much suspension line to use, and use the same amount of suspension line on each end of the hammock. That is what you need to know whether you use a structural ridgeline or not. Initially, the marketing ploy for a structural ridgeline was that it is easier to setup because you don't have to know the span and it sets up the same way every time, etc. I didn't and still don't find that it works that way for me, nor do I know if that is still how it is marketed. What I do know is that you need to know the span to determine how high to attach a hammock to its supports and how much suspension line to use on each end of the hammock.
I know I am notorious for over simplifying things but... I just did away witht he ridgeline altogether. Now when I set my hammock up it is at the correct height because ther is no ridgeline induced 'lowering'. Yes, you gotta get the sag right each time, but after a gazillion set-ups it is easy to get it right, plus I am now using ring buckles so it is easy to adjust. No ridgeline and ring buckles (or cinch buckles) are the way to go for me. See throught he hype, let the revolution begin! :D
NCPatrick
05-06-2008, 14:41
Yeah that's all fine, but I hang a lot of doodads and STUFF from my ridgeline... socks, headlamp, sometimes a book, sometimes a drink... I'd miss being able to do that.
Youngblood
05-06-2008, 14:51
Yeah that's all fine, but I hang a lot of doodads and STUFF from my ridgeline... socks, headlamp, sometimes a book, sometimes a drink... I'd miss being able to do that.
I do that too, when I use a bugnet because I use a ridgeline to hold that up. Without the bugnet, I have a white plastic trash compactor bag that I empty the contents of my pack into. It serves as a hammock side table. Sometimes I use the hammock suspension line right where it attaches to the hammock fabric for things too, but it is a little more difficult to reach. There are a lot of ways to place things where you can reach them without the bugnet, no so many with it.
GrizzlyAdams
05-06-2008, 14:58
...
What I do know is that you need to know the span to determine how high to attach a hammock to its supports and how much suspension line to use on each end of the hammock...
yep. And I'm such a quant that I've been planning for a while on marking my suspension cord at intervals of a foot (starting at the hammock end) to better estimate the span, and center the hammock. Once you know the span its a matter of doing trigonometry in your head to figure out how high to attach the webbing.
or just wing it. :D
Grizz
TiredFeet
05-06-2008, 16:34
I find it very interesting how people get so worked up that everybody should believe exactly as they believe and act accordingly.
That's exactly what I see going on with this whole ridge line or not to ridge line thing.
At one time, people were arguing for a ridge line and presenting all the great things it does without really presenting the downside.
Now Youngblood has people proselytizing to ditch the ridge line by telling all of the really bad things about a ridge line and all of the good things about not using one. I think Youngblood would be a lot more palatable, to me at least, if he was a little more balanced in his arguments. Presenting one side only is no more helpful than the previous arguments about using one were.
I'm just waiting for the time that both sides realize that the other side isn't the devil incarnate and that both sides have advantages on their side and disadvantages on their side and present their pros AND cons without the inflammatory language so that a person can just try both sides and settle on using or not using a ridge line without the attempts to initimidate.
Once the presenters drop the attempt to intimidate, then a dispassionate discussion can start.
Jumping all over a post because you think it doesn't present all of your arguments in the best of possible light is not going to help either side.
Ramblinrev
05-06-2008, 16:43
hmmm... maybwe it is just because my HH already has a ridgeline and I like to have someplace over head to stash my smelly socks, but I haven't seen any realy attempts to intimidate. I am not going to intentionally cut my ridgeline, but it is frankly nice to know that if it breaks I have not lost all structural integrity of my hammock. so I guess I am interested in both aspects of the question and finding information on both.
As far as making one of my own and so having to make that decision... My wife would pitch a hissy that would make the dialog here seem absolutely genteel.
But then as a newbie I guess I just don't know which issues are worth getting bent out of shape over.
slowhike
05-06-2008, 16:55
i didn't really think anyone was getting worked up<G>.
sometimes i think we perceive discussions to be more worked up than they are just because of our... well, our perception:D
The tree distance, or span, doesn't directly cause more pressure on the ridgeline. It is smaller angles (ridgeline up to tree) that exerts more pressure.
When the suspension lines are pulled tight such that there is a near zero angle from the ridgeline up to the tree, the pressure on the suspension lines and the ridgeline approaches infinity when weight is initially applied to the hammock. haveThat is why it will always stretch, or in the worse case break, when you start from there. It doesn't take very much stretch to relieve that condition or to cause a lot of drop in the hammock when you start from there.
snip
For any hammock, you want to center it, level it (or put the slope YOU desire in it), and get it at the height you desire. To do that you need to know how high to attach it for the particular span you are using, how much suspension line to use, and use the same amount of suspension line on each end of the hammock. That is what you need to know whether you use a structural ridgeline or not.
Got it, thanks:cool:
TiredFeet
05-06-2008, 17:09
i didn't really think anyone was getting worked up<G>.
sometimes i think we perceive discussions to be more worked up than they are just because of our... well, our perception:D
Probably - I still think that presenting BOTH pros and cons would be a LOT more beneficial to the forums and the presenters.
slowhike
05-06-2008, 19:27
Probably - I still think that presenting BOTH pros and cons would be a LOT more beneficial to the forums and the presenters.
that's true. the opinions i tend to like best are the ones that understand & talk about both sides of the story.
i guess we sometimes just get caught up in telling about what we like best<G>.
NCPatrick
05-06-2008, 19:47
Well I can't get all worked up over whether I've disagreed correctly...
I prefer a ridgeline for storage, too, NCPatrick. I have one of those HAABs I took this fall, and never used the little pocket on the side for anything but stuffing the hammock into. Everything I needed during the night hung from the ridgeline. Handy for adjusting yourself in the hammock, too. And, of course, foolproof sag maintenance.
BillyBob58
05-06-2008, 20:44
Ok... now you have confused the newbie. I understand the theory. I understand the practice. But why then does the HH stuff sack say to tie the suspension lines tight? Or is tight so relative that it has essentially no set meaning? Or is that just tight enough that the straps don't slide down the tree?
BTW confused is a common condition for me to exist in.
Don't the directions actually say "moderately" tight? And tight is quite relative, especially once you add devices ( cinch buckles/hitchcraft or even a truckers hitch knot) that allow you to tighten more than you can with just the HH rope, tree huggers and hands.
Ok make it simple please????
close trees low hang?
far trees high hang?
is that right?
That is how I applied it for the 10 days I just finished. Around head high or a little lower for 15 plus feet i am 5'10" 13 foot is as close as I could get. and 20ish for the long dist. but i think it was over head high for that hang.
Have a HHUL.
simple minded fireman. big fire big hose little fire little hose.
2 trees
BillyBob58
05-06-2008, 20:58
I know I am notorious for over simplifying things but... I just did away witht he ridgeline altogether. Now when I set my hammock up it is at the correct height because ther is no ridgeline induced 'lowering'. Yes, you gotta get the sag right each time, but after a gazillion set-ups it is easy to get it right, plus I am now using ring buckles so it is easy to adjust. No ridgeline and ring buckles (or cinch buckles) are the way to go for me. See throught he hype, let the revolution begin! :D
That is pretty much the evolutionary path I have followed. The structural RL is just for specific needs, such as ( obviously) to control a HH net, or trees so far apart that I can't easily reach high enough to get the required sag. But even then, I find that, paradoxically, the tighter I pull the more the hammock sags once I get in, maybe putting me on the ground. So I still end up having to attach the hammock pretty high.
The more angle in the suspension ropes ( or maybe the more "sag" to start with) the less additional sag I seem to get once I get in.
OTOH, an adjustable RL, adjusted after you get in ( Speer net style) can be awful handy, without pulling it tight or altering the sag before you get in.
I know I am notorious for over simplifying things but... I just did away witht he ridgeline altogether. Now when I set my hammock up it is at the correct height because ther is no ridgeline induced 'lowering'. Yes, you gotta get the sag right each time, but after a gazillion set-ups it is easy to get it right, plus I am now using ring buckles so it is easy to adjust. No ridgeline and ring buckles (or cinch buckles) are the way to go for me. See throught he hype, let the revolution begin! :D
Amen Brother! I'm getting a headache and I've only gotten this far along in this thread.:( I have a Claytor with no ridgline and I have no problem setting it to where it's comfortable.
Miguel
BillyBob58
05-06-2008, 21:25
I find it very interesting how people get so worked up that everybody should believe exactly as they believe and act accordingly.
That's exactly what I see going on with this whole ridge line or not to ridge line thing.
At one time, people were arguing for a ridge line and presenting all the great things it does without really presenting the downside.
Now Youngblood has people proselytizing to ditch the ridge line by telling all of the really bad things about a ridge line and all of the good things about not using one. I think Youngblood would be a lot more palatable, to me at least, if he was a little more balanced in his arguments. Presenting one side only is no more helpful than the previous arguments about using one were.
I'm just waiting for the time that both sides realize that the other side isn't the devil incarnate and that both sides have advantages on their side and disadvantages on their side and present their pros AND cons without the inflammatory language so that a person can just try both sides and settle on using or not using a ridge line without the attempts to initimidate.
Once the presenters drop the attempt to intimidate, then a dispassionate discussion can start.
Jumping all over a post because you think it doesn't present all of your arguments in the best of possible light is not going to help either side.
I didn't realize any body was using inflammatory language, intimidating or jumping all over anyone, re: the pros and cons of a tight RL vs a less tight,or no, RL. Are you referring to a particular post that I might have missed?
It all just seems a matter of personal pref to me. If anyone likes a tight RL, go for it and feel free to tell me why you do if you feel like it. Or, if you prefer a barely tightened RL, or no RL, again- knock yourself out. And I will be happy to read why you feel that way.
Over the last year or so, I think the pros and cons of each approach have been well presented. Usually with each person presenting the pros of whatever has worked best for them, in their experience. But, I'm always ready to hear any new info someone might have on any given hammock subject. There are a lot of pros and cons to all these approaches. For another example, the endless opinions about the most reasonable way to stay warm! ;) There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.
BillyBob58
05-06-2008, 21:34
Ok make it simple please????
close trees low hang?
far trees high hang?
is that right?
That is how I applied it for the 10 days I just finished. Around head high or a little lower for 15 plus feet i am 5'10" 13 foot is as close as I could get. and 20ish for the long dist. but i think it was over head high for that hang.
Have a HHUL.
simple minded fireman. big fire big hose little fire little hose.
2 trees
Sounds like you have the secret formula figured out, allright. ;)
> It all just seems a matter of personal pref to me.
Of course. HYOH. Hang your own hammock. :)
Youngblood
05-07-2008, 08:41
Probably - I still think that presenting BOTH pros and cons would be a LOT more beneficial to the forums and the presenters.
TiredFeet,
You can always add information or dispute things you don't agree with. I'm really at a loss as to your "inflammatory language" comment on your previous post.
This is the original post on this thread and it made over tightening the hammock suspension lines a topic of discussion:
OK, so the only thing i've done to my HH hammock so far is to put straps on instead of the ropes...that's it! So what the heck happened!?!?!?! i sat down in my hammock and WAMMIE! MY RIDGELINE SNAPPED! and not only that, since there was no weight supported by the ridgeline, the no-see-um net ripped because of the pressure!!!!
would this changing of the main support ropes make the difference? i slept with the new support lines for a couple of nights now and everything was fine....why did my ridge line just snap!?
What am i to do!?!?! i doubt HH will take it back because i modified the main support lines....AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Heescha was asking for an explanation of why he had a failure and advise on what he should do. For a fair and balanced view, you could tell how you recommend hanging a HH and how the ridgeline affects that. You should feel free to mention the pros and cons as you see them.
Should you use a ridgeline or not (and how tight, if you do) if you don't use any of the aforementioned support setups but instead sprinkle fairy dust on your hammock and just float all night?
Just wondering.
creekfisher
05-07-2008, 10:17
For any hammock, you want to center it and use the same amount of suspension line on each end of the hammock.
I really appreciate all of the contributions you have made to hammock camping.
I want to add that the above quote mentions the ideal way to do it but it can be done differently. When double-hanging with my wife, I often find myself trying to center my hammock next to hers. Most times I have to hang my hammock with two different length suspension lines. I make up for the variance in length by setting the long suspension rope higher than the short suspension rope.
You can see it reasonably well here: http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=3209&catid=newimages&cutoffdate=14
Youngblood
05-07-2008, 10:47
I want to add that the above quote mentions the ideal way to do it but it can be done differently. When double-hanging with my wife, I often find myself trying to center my hammock next to hers. Most times I have to hang my hammock with two different length suspension lines. I make up for the variance in length by setting the long suspension rope higher than the short suspension rope.
You can see it reasonably well here: http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=3209&catid=newimages&cutoffdate=14
You are absolutely right. That is Advanced Hammock Hanging 102 and is clever.
Marta once told me she off set the centering to lower the head end of her hammock. I stick with the basic centering and just raise the foot end a bit or just go with the natural slope of the ground. I may try that the next time I try to go against the natural slope of the ground... that always gives me fits.
mataharihiker
05-07-2008, 11:39
Man, I never thought about any of this stuff hanging my Hennessy...I had a cheap line level on the ridgeline...knew where the bubble should be for a comfortable sleep and hung the hammock....never thought about line tensions, sag ratios or anything remotely like that...whew, I got off easy!
I like ridgelines, some don't...since Hennessy patented his structural ridgeline I thought it was important to the proper hanging of his hammock...I add them to my other hammocks for my convenience...
all i have to say is wow...this got big!
angrysparrow
05-09-2008, 10:40
all i have to say is wow...this got big!
This? No, not yet. Apparently you haven't seen the 600+ post Ring Buckle thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=565) or the 1000+ post Bridge thread (http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1297), each of which have around 40,000 page views.
haha well let's keep it going then! ;)